Appropriate Punishment?

[Rhg1084]

He’s gotta be kicked out of the league, there’s no way they can keep him as an active owner 

[jago]

a million bucks is a weeks interest to this guy.
prob gonna be a few picks and maybe a “suspension” like steinbrenner? keep him offsite?

[jvill 51]

For the Jets sake I hope there wouldn’t be a forced sale, but there probably would be. Beyond that anything less than 3 first round picks and an 8 figure fine seems too light. If there’s a path where he keeps ownership, he should absolutely be forced to divest from whatever gaming company it was he invested in.

Oh and beyond the NFL’s punishment, he should be prosecuted and serve felony jail time if convicted.

[Hal N of Provo]

This is an outrage!  Nobody suspected a team would “suck for Luck” prior to this revelation!  

In response the following actions must be taken:

1) Forfeit of all division games for the next decade.  
2) Lowest ranked team in division from 2021 will receive all dolphin draft picks for the next decade.  

[Barry McCockinner]

Is their an actual rule against tanking? If not, there should be no punishment. They should address the rules and perverted motivation of getting the #1 overall pick.

[Hal N of Provo]

5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Is their an actual rule against tanking? If not, there should be no punishment. They should address the rules and perverted motivation of getting the #1 overall pick.

The reaction to this is a joke.   How many people were angry the Jets won after the Jags game?  It was an open debate.  
 

Everyone understands what behavior has the built in incentive for a team that can’t make the playoffs.  Of course there are teams losing on purpose.  
 

But today everyone is all 

[jvill 51]

21 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Is their an actual rule against tanking? If not, there should be no punishment. They should address the rules and perverted motivation of getting the #1 overall pick.

I mean if the allegations are true he committed a federal felony. Beyond that I’m guessing the NFL has a match fixing rule in the books but I’m not sure this would fit squarely. And I’m also sure there’s a catch all “integrity of the game” or some such provision. Plus there’s the tampering allegations which are squarely against the rules, and then the allegations that Flores refusing to accept a bribe or break tampering rules caused a hostile work environment and led to his ouster.
 

So yeah… I don’t think the no punishment thing is gonna work here if all this stuff is true.

[Wit]

Billionaires don’t get punished the same way unless they screw over other billionaires. If the rest of the owners start getting some heat he will be punished and lose the team. 
 

Donald Sterling was literally on tape in order for him to get punted as an owner, and he was also already disliked AND in LA. 

[Rhg1084]

I honestly don’t even blame Ross for wanting to tank as it’s obviously a good strategy for long term success. Especially if there’s a blue chip QB coming out in the next years draft.
 

The Jets for example could’ve had the number 1 overall pick in this years draft if they lost that Jax game. What difference is it if a team goes 6-11 or 2-15 honestly. The difference could be a franchise changing QB possibly. Now I don’t know how to combat tanking as teams in the NBA blatantly do it as well and that’s with a draft lottery in place already

[nycdan]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

I honestly don’t even blame Ross for wanting to tank as it’s obviously a good strategy for long term success. Especially if there’s a blue chip QB coming out in the next years draft. What difference is it if a team goes 6-11 or 2-15 honestly. The difference could be a franchise changing QB possibly. Now I don’t know how to combat tanking as teams in the NBA blatantly do it as well and that’s with a draft lottery in place already

The irony is, had MIA successfully tanked, they would have had Burrow, not Tua.

Oh the sweet taste of bitter Dolphan tears.

[Matt39]

Just now, nycdan said:

The irony is, had MIA successfully tanked, they would have had Burrow, not Tua.

Oh the sweet taste of bitter Dolphan tears.

Even funnier they were in position to take Herbert regardless.

[Barry McCockinner]

14 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

I mean if the allegations are true he committed a federal felony. Beyond that I’m guessing the NFL has a match fixing rule in the books but I’m not sure this would fit squarely. And I’m also sure there’s a catch all “integrity of the game” or some such provision. Plus there’s the tampering allegations which are squarely against the rules, and then the allegations that Flores refusing to accept a bribe or break tampering rules caused a hostile work environment and led to his ouster.
 

So yeah… I don’t think the no punishment thing is gonna work here if all this stuff is true.

What was the federal felony?

[Peace Frog]

Decree they had a loss in 1972, no more record of an undefeated season and all those old f*cks are forced to stop celebrating with the last loss of the season. 

[nycdan]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Even funnier they were in position to take Herbert regardless.

Only funny if you don't think too hard about the 2017 or 2018 drafts ;/

 

[Hal N of Provo]

9 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

I honestly don’t even blame Ross for wanting to tank as it’s obviously a good strategy for long term success. Especially if there’s a blue chip QB coming out in the next years draft.
 

The Jets for example could’ve had the number 1 overall pick in this years draft if they lost that Jax game. What difference is it if a team goes 6-11 or 2-15 honestly. The difference could be a franchise changing QB possibly. Now I don’t know how to combat tanking as teams in the NBA blatantly do it as well and that’s with a draft lottery in place already

A lottery with equal chances to all regardless of placement is the only way to stop tanking 

[CSNY]

I would think that bribery is a crime and should be to sell

If he’s not forced to sell team exclude him from all contractually guaranteed  TV / advertising and any other revenue the league generates that is equally shared by all owners along with loss of draft picks for a number of years. Try and make it like the NCAA death sentence for recruiting violations so he would have no choice but to sell as the integrity of the game is at stake 
 

[Rhg1084]

4 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

A lottery with equal chances to all regardless of placement is the only way to stop tanking 

That’s not the answer, so you want the Ravens for to get the 1st overall pick? How’s that fair 

[jvill 51]

17 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

What was the federal felony?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/224

[Hal N of Provo]

7 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

That’s not the answer, so you want the Ravens for to get the 1st overall pick? How’s that fair 

That’s the only way to stop tanking.   I prefer to make no changes to the current system.  

[Dunnie]

Forfeit entire 2023 draft. That would end that sh*te immediately.

[Peace Frog]

3 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

That’s the only way to stop tanking.   I prefer to make no changes to the current system.  

100%

[Dunnie]

The reaction to this is a joke.   How many people were angry the Jets won after the Jags game?  It was an open debate.  
 
Everyone understands what behavior has the built in incentive for a team that can’t make the playoffs.  Of course there are teams losing on purpose.  
 
But today everyone is all 

There is a rule against paying money to fix a game ... yes ... yes there is ... and i assume multiple laws.

[Barry McCockinner]

7 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/224

Ehhh ... I don't think it's considered bribery when it's your own team. It's just what you want to do with it. 

I'm no lawyer but that seems like a ridiculous stretch.

[Barry McCockinner]

9 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

There is a rule against paying money to fix a game ... yes ... yes there is ... and i assume multiple laws.

Please link to the rule.

[RSJ]

Belichick should have been banned for life in 2006. But instead Goodell destroyed the tapes. So who knows what the NFL will end up doing - but it wont be far enough. I can guarantee you that.


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[Peace Frog]

5 minutes ago, RSJ said:

Belichick should have been banned for life in 2006. But instead Goodell destroyed the tapes. So who knows what the NFL will end up doing - but it wont be far enough. I can guarantee you that.


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There was nothing on those tapes. 

All the more reason why there was no reason for them to have been destroyed. 

Wait whut. 

[Rhg1084]

39 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

That’s the only way to stop tanking.   I prefer to make no changes to the current system.  

Agreed just leave it as is 

[New York Mick]

Loss of multiple first round picks

The largest fine in NFL history 

Ross banned from team affairs for 5 years

[jvill 51]

29 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Ehhh ... I don't think it's considered bribery when it's your own team. It's just what you want to do with it. 

I'm no lawyer but that seems like a ridiculous stretch.

While I doubt there’s any cases that resolve it one way or another, I’m failing to see why there would or should be an exemption for the owner of the team. For one the statute is written broadly and makes no exceptions at all. And second what’s the practical or public policy reason for an exception? Should the head coach also be exempted if he offered the kicker 100 grand to miss a game winning kick? The GM? If the owners buddy put down 2 mill on the game the owner could offer the head coach cash to lose with no legal consequences? Or, like the exact situation here, where the owner also has a sizeable investment in a Sportsbook?

[jvill 51]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Ehhh ... I don't think it's considered bribery when it's your own team. It's just what you want to do with it. 

I'm no lawyer but that seems like a ridiculous stretch.

 

33 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

While I doubt there’s any cases that resolve it one way or another, I’m failing to see why there would or should be an exemption for the owner of the team. For one the statute is written broadly and makes no exceptions at all. And second what’s the practical or public policy reason for an exception? Should the head coach also be exempted if he offered the kicker 100 grand to miss a game winning kick? The GM? If the owners buddy put down 2 mill on the game the owner could offer the head coach cash to lose with no legal consequences? Or, like the exact situation here, where the owner also has a sizeable investment in a Sportsbook?

And here’s the Florida law:

Again, not seeing anything that would exempt Ross. Besides, ya know, billionaires going to prison not really being a thing we do too often.

[slimjasi]

2 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

The reaction to this is a joke.   How many people were angry the Jets won after the Jags game?  It was an open debate.  
 

Everyone understands what behavior has the built in incentive for a team that can’t make the playoffs.  Of course there are teams losing on purpose.  
 

But today everyone is all 

 

2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Is their an actual rule against tanking? If not, there should be no punishment. They should address the rules and perverted motivation of getting the #1 overall pick.

Agreed. 
 

It’s hilarious to see people feign moral outrage over what Ross supposedly did. I wonder how many of these people were rooting for losses this past December? 

[Hex]

Now after some thinking, I think the NFL should fine Adam Gase for showing Ross that losing improves draft positioning

[doitny]

i cant see them forcing him to sell. 

they might be a rule against tanking but paying your employee to lose is not a force to sell offense.

now if he told him to lost cause he had money on the game that would be different.

lost of draft picks and a fine.

[MysticalJet2]

The team shouldn’t be punished imo as that hurts the players and coaches who were not part of this.  He should be punished directly. Heavy fines and forced to sell.

[doitny]

3 hours ago, JTJet said:

The NBA forced Donald Sterling to sell for a much lesser allegation. 

Theres precedent. 

so your saying calling someone a racist name is a much lesser allegation then offering to pay an employee to lose games. 

what world are you living in?

plus the NBA was going to have people refuse to play for him unless he sold it. i doubt that happens here.

and Lebron is a god in the NBA . what he says everyone follows. there is no such person in the NFL that can get all the players to refuse to play for Ross.