Popular Post KRL Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 Interesting tidbit on Johnson and how he taught himself pass rush moves https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/02/nfl-draft-howie-roseman-eagles-daily-cover AGGRESSIVE JETS LAND QUITE A CLASS By now, you may have caught the videos the Jets put out—of a celebrating war room after New York took first Sauce Gardner and then Garrett Wilson off the board in the top 10. But what you didn’t see was coach Robert Saleh, after passing off the phone with Wilson (and yelling “G-Dub!!!” to start that conversation), tap GM Joe Douglas on the shoulder. “He’s like, ‘Hey look, if Jermaine [Johnson II] starts falling, let’s go get him,’” Douglas said Saturday afternoon. “And I looked at him and I’m like, ‘Let’s do it.’” That’s how the Jets turned a draft they already really liked into one they loved. This was always going to be a critical class for the future of the franchise. Thanks to deals parting with the team’s first-round picks from 2017 (Jamal Adams) and ’18 (Sam Darnold), Douglas and Saleh went into the weekend with four of the top 40 picks. So as much as the GM, in his third year, and coach, in his second year, are tied to last year’s first-rounder, QB Zach Wilson, how this year’s class pans out will also go a long way in how they’re judged. And the Jets aren’t psychics. They don’t know what Gardner, Wilson and Johnson, or the 36th pick, Iowa State tailback Breece Hall, will collectively become. But they sure didn’t expect it’d play out this way—where the four top-40 picks they came into the weekend with, added to a third-rounder and two fifth-rounders used in trades up, would land them three of the top 10 players on their board and four of the top 20. “We felt like we had a unique opportunity with these four picks at four and 10 and 35 and 38 to be aggressive if it felt right for us,” Douglas said. “The most important thing that we did was rank our top 150 as a group, together, with the scouts and the coaches. We were going over each guy versus each other, so going into the first night, we felt like we had a great group of top-50 players. And from then, we can only control the controllables, and we can’t control who comes up in front of us or who’s willing to trade back if we want to come up.” Sometimes, things just fall into place. It started with Gardner’s availability. The Jets had a good handle on the first two picks, figuring Georgia’s Travon Walker and Michigan’s Aidan Hutchinson were going one and two, in some order. The Texans were the wild card—Douglas and Saleh knew Houston had done its homework on the corners, and all the same the Jets also knew that if the Texans took one, that’d leave New York with a shot to put its top-ranked lineman in the class in front of Zach Wilson. But just before the draft, they’d settled on a plan, and it was one that acknowledged how Saleh’s defense had evolved, in valuing corners differently than teams he coached in Seattle, Jacksonville or San Francisco might have, while still sticking to the scheme’s preference for taller, longer players at the position. “We thought O-linemen could go at one, we thought O-linemen could go at three, so we were prepared for every scenario,” Douglas said. “But the one constant was if he was there, it was going to be Sauce. This was a guy that can be a dynamic guy for us at a premium position, cornerback. It’s been a position that we really haven’t been able to invest a lot of assets in, whether it’s free-agent money or draft picks.” So once the Texans swung on another corner, LSU’s Derek Stingley Jr., even with NC State’s Ickey Ekwonu and Alabama’s Evan Neal there, the call became academic. And then, in Douglas’s words, “It’s nervousness again, because we felt good about our top 10, but you’re hoping for things to fall a certain way.” Which came back to one of Douglas’s goals for the draft, “to do whatever we could to help our young quarterback develop.” Getting him a guy with a shot to be a true No. 1 receiver, of course, qualifies. The Jets saw Garrett Wilson as that guy, and, when he got past the Falcons, who took USC’s Drake London instead, and a tackle was there for Seattle, Douglas could breathe again. “When you just watch the tape, just a great blend of route skill, ball skill, run-after-catch, and big-play ability; there was a multidimensional aspect to his game,” he said. “There was more than one way that he could help you. It just felt like he was a guy who could separate against anybody. He was going to go up and make tough, contested catches. He can run by people if he has to, and then after the catch, he’s elusive.” Just as important was that Wilson, like last year’s second-round pick, Elijah Moore, could separate enough to create easy completions for the quarterback, while also bringing a rare ability to, like Douglas said, make combat catches in 50-50 situations, which should make Zach Wilson’s job easier in giving him layups, while also allowing for him to take more chances. So Wilson went 10th, and then came the tap on the shoulder. And the important thing to start with from there is that Johnson, in the Jets’ predraft meetings, was absolutely a consideration for the 10th pick. Obviously, things played out in a way that made Wilson the one. But Johnson wasn’t far off on the board. “If my board fell a certain way,” Douglas said, “he 100% would’ve been an option for us at 10.” As it was, Douglas and Saleh started getting more serious about a move after the Eagles made their move, from 15 to 13, to get Davis. After the Ravens took Notre Dame S Kyle Hamilton at 14, the calls started. First to the Texans at 15, then to the Commanders at 16 and the Chargers at 17, with one line drawn—Douglas didn’t want to give up both of his second-rounders to move. Then the Brown trade happened, and the Titans got on the clock at 18. With a receiver need just created, and Arkansas’s Treylon Burks there, Robinson wasn’t going to deal 18. But the conversation was good with Douglas, enough so the two agreed to circle back at if things fell in a way where the Jets still wanted to move up. They did, of course. Johnson was there. And the interesting thing was he was there in large part because some of his predraft meetings hadn’t gone well, while a big piece of the Jets’ interest in him was because of his predraft meeting with them, during which he told Douglas that, before he transferred from Georgia to Florida State, he taught himself an array of pass-rush moves via … YouTube. “I felt like him and Jameson Williams were two birds of the same feather in that they bet on themselves to go somewhere else and succeed, and they both hit,” Douglas said. “And I like the fact that he went to a different scheme, different defense, left the place that he would’ve been comfortable as a rotational player, but he took a chance, bet on himself, changed defenses and was ultraproductive as an edge player for them. “The other thing was, it felt like there was five different ways that this guy could get to the quarterback. … We were talking about Georgia. And I just said, ‘Hey Jermaine, I heard you guys don’t practice one-on-one pass rush all that much.’ And he said, ‘No, we don’t do it as much as other places.’ I said, ‘I see that. I watched the tape this year. You got so many different ways you can get to the quarterback. How did you develop that if you never really practice it before?’ He said, ‘Honestly, I would YouTube different pass-rush moves, watch and just practice it by myself. I just taught myself how to do it.’” So the Jets traded third- and fifth-round picks to get him at 26, securing a third player off that top 10 that Douglas, Saleh and their staffs had compiled. On Douglas’s way home Thursday, he noticed his 14-year-old son had sent him a text, right around when the 13th or 14th pick was made: “Jermaine Johnson’s falling.” So Friday morning, Douglas’s son said to him, “You got Jermaine!” Douglas responded, “Yeah.” “Yeah, you saw my text,” he said. “Obviously, you saw my text. That’s why you did it.” Douglas laughed, knowing how clear it was how fortunate he’d been the night before, in how things fell into place as they did. And hours later, he’d cap that with a short trade up, from 38 to 36, sending a fifth-rounder to the crosstown Giants to land Hall, another piece to help Wilson be his best. Now, what’s left is to put all that good fortune to work. “The last two drafts, some things bounced our way, and some guys fell to us that we didn’t really think had an opportunity to fall to us,” he said. “But through it all, I feel like the constant has been every person on staff, and their ability to connect with each other, communicate, get on the same page, hash out different opinions in a real productive, respectful environment and ultimately come to the best decisions for the team.” Whether they’re the right decisions will play out over time. 21 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 29 minutes ago, KRL said: So the Jets traded third- and fifth-round picks to get him at 26, securing a third player off that top 10 that Douglas, Saleh and their staffs had compiled. Just like to point out that the Jets got a late third rounder back in that trade, the one that netted Jeremy Ruckert. This makes it sound like they gave up a lot more to get him. In reality, the cost according to the draft pick trade chart was a mid-fifth rounder. 28 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dcat Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, KRL said: Interesting tidbit on Johnson and how he taught himself pass rush moves https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/02/nfl-draft-howie-roseman-eagles-daily-cover AGGRESSIVE JETS LAND QUITE A CLASS By now, you may have caught the videos the Jets put out—of a celebrating war room after New York took first Sauce Gardner and then Garrett Wilson off the board in the top 10. But what you didn’t see was coach Robert Saleh, after passing off the phone with Wilson (and yelling “G-Dub!!!” to start that conversation), tap GM Joe Douglas on the shoulder. “He’s like, ‘Hey look, if Jermaine [Johnson II] starts falling, let’s go get him,’” Douglas said Saturday afternoon. “And I looked at him and I’m like, ‘Let’s do it.’” That’s how the Jets turned a draft they already really liked into one they loved. This was always going to be a critical class for the future of the franchise. Thanks to deals parting with the team’s first-round picks from 2017 (Jamal Adams) and ’18 (Sam Darnold), Douglas and Saleh went into the weekend with four of the top 40 picks. So as much as the GM, in his third year, and coach, in his second year, are tied to last year’s first-rounder, QB Zach Wilson, how this year’s class pans out will also go a long way in how they’re judged. And the Jets aren’t psychics. They don’t know what Gardner, Wilson and Johnson, or the 36th pick, Iowa State tailback Breece Hall, will collectively become. But they sure didn’t expect it’d play out this way—where the four top-40 picks they came into the weekend with, added to a third-rounder and two fifth-rounders used in trades up, would land them three of the top 10 players on their board and four of the top 20. “We felt like we had a unique opportunity with these four picks at four and 10 and 35 and 38 to be aggressive if it felt right for us,” Douglas said. “The most important thing that we did was rank our top 150 as a group, together, with the scouts and the coaches. We were going over each guy versus each other, so going into the first night, we felt like we had a great group of top-50 players. And from then, we can only control the controllables, and we can’t control who comes up in front of us or who’s willing to trade back if we want to come up.” Sometimes, things just fall into place. It started with Gardner’s availability. The Jets had a good handle on the first two picks, figuring Georgia’s Travon Walker and Michigan’s Aidan Hutchinson were going one and two, in some order. The Texans were the wild card—Douglas and Saleh knew Houston had done its homework on the corners, and all the same the Jets also knew that if the Texans took one, that’d leave New York with a shot to put its top-ranked lineman in the class in front of Zach Wilson. But just before the draft, they’d settled on a plan, and it was one that acknowledged how Saleh’s defense had evolved, in valuing corners differently than teams he coached in Seattle, Jacksonville or San Francisco might have, while still sticking to the scheme’s preference for taller, longer players at the position. “We thought O-linemen could go at one, we thought O-linemen could go at three, so we were prepared for every scenario,” Douglas said. “But the one constant was if he was there, it was going to be Sauce. This was a guy that can be a dynamic guy for us at a premium position, cornerback. It’s been a position that we really haven’t been able to invest a lot of assets in, whether it’s free-agent money or draft picks.” So once the Texans swung on another corner, LSU’s Derek Stingley Jr., even with NC State’s Ickey Ekwonu and Alabama’s Evan Neal there, the call became academic. And then, in Douglas’s words, “It’s nervousness again, because we felt good about our top 10, but you’re hoping for things to fall a certain way.” Which came back to one of Douglas’s goals for the draft, “to do whatever we could to help our young quarterback develop.” Getting him a guy with a shot to be a true No. 1 receiver, of course, qualifies. The Jets saw Garrett Wilson as that guy, and, when he got past the Falcons, who took USC’s Drake London instead, and a tackle was there for Seattle, Douglas could breathe again. “When you just watch the tape, just a great blend of route skill, ball skill, run-after-catch, and big-play ability; there was a multidimensional aspect to his game,” he said. “There was more than one way that he could help you. It just felt like he was a guy who could separate against anybody. He was going to go up and make tough, contested catches. He can run by people if he has to, and then after the catch, he’s elusive.” Just as important was that Wilson, like last year’s second-round pick, Elijah Moore, could separate enough to create easy completions for the quarterback, while also bringing a rare ability to, like Douglas said, make combat catches in 50-50 situations, which should make Zach Wilson’s job easier in giving him layups, while also allowing for him to take more chances. So Wilson went 10th, and then came the tap on the shoulder. And the important thing to start with from there is that Johnson, in the Jets’ predraft meetings, was absolutely a consideration for the 10th pick. Obviously, things played out in a way that made Wilson the one. But Johnson wasn’t far off on the board. “If my board fell a certain way,” Douglas said, “he 100% would’ve been an option for us at 10.” As it was, Douglas and Saleh started getting more serious about a move after the Eagles made their move, from 15 to 13, to get Davis. After the Ravens took Notre Dame S Kyle Hamilton at 14, the calls started. First to the Texans at 15, then to the Commanders at 16 and the Chargers at 17, with one line drawn—Douglas didn’t want to give up both of his second-rounders to move. Then the Brown trade happened, and the Titans got on the clock at 18. With a receiver need just created, and Arkansas’s Treylon Burks there, Robinson wasn’t going to deal 18. But the conversation was good with Douglas, enough so the two agreed to circle back at if things fell in a way where the Jets still wanted to move up. They did, of course. Johnson was there. And the interesting thing was he was there in large part because some of his predraft meetings hadn’t gone well, while a big piece of the Jets’ interest in him was because of his predraft meeting with them, during which he told Douglas that, before he transferred from Georgia to Florida State, he taught himself an array of pass-rush moves via … YouTube. “I felt like him and Jameson Williams were two birds of the same feather in that they bet on themselves to go somewhere else and succeed, and they both hit,” Douglas said. “And I like the fact that he went to a different scheme, different defense, left the place that he would’ve been comfortable as a rotational player, but he took a chance, bet on himself, changed defenses and was ultraproductive as an edge player for them. “The other thing was, it felt like there was five different ways that this guy could get to the quarterback. … We were talking about Georgia. And I just said, ‘Hey Jermaine, I heard you guys don’t practice one-on-one pass rush all that much.’ And he said, ‘No, we don’t do it as much as other places.’ I said, ‘I see that. I watched the tape this year. You got so many different ways you can get to the quarterback. How did you develop that if you never really practice it before?’ He said, ‘Honestly, I would YouTube different pass-rush moves, watch and just practice it by myself. I just taught myself how to do it.’” So the Jets traded third- and fifth-round picks to get him at 26, securing a third player off that top 10 that Douglas, Saleh and their staffs had compiled. On Douglas’s way home Thursday, he noticed his 14-year-old son had sent him a text, right around when the 13th or 14th pick was made: “Jermaine Johnson’s falling.” So Friday morning, Douglas’s son said to him, “You got Jermaine!” Douglas responded, “Yeah.” “Yeah, you saw my text,” he said. “Obviously, you saw my text. That’s why you did it.” Douglas laughed, knowing how clear it was how fortunate he’d been the night before, in how things fell into place as they did. And hours later, he’d cap that with a short trade up, from 38 to 36, sending a fifth-rounder to the crosstown Giants to land Hall, another piece to help Wilson be his best. Now, what’s left is to put all that good fortune to work. “The last two drafts, some things bounced our way, and some guys fell to us that we didn’t really think had an opportunity to fall to us,” he said. “But through it all, I feel like the constant has been every person on staff, and their ability to connect with each other, communicate, get on the same page, hash out different opinions in a real productive, respectful environment and ultimately come to the best decisions for the team.” Whether they’re the right decisions will play out over time. The irony is all the bonding JD did with the Titans' GM Robinson before Tennessee's pick 18 paid off handsomely when JJ was still there at 26, so it worked out beautifully for both teams, crating a love affair. But then in round 2, JD traded up with the NYG to get one spot ahead of the Texans who were 100% taking Hall there. Robinson & JD in round 1: "I love you, I love you, kiss, kiss, hug, hug, smootch" Casario & JD in round 2: "F- You! You sneaky bastard How could you do that to us? You're dead to me now. We were going to take Breece there.. he's ours. Ours, you hear? I hate you." 3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 It would be fun to be a GM, all the calls, relationships, trade ups, trade backs…..what a blast. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freestater Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 What i take away from this is that Joe Douglas' kid is a better GM than him. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, Dcat said: The irony is all the bonding JD did with the Texans' GM Robinson before Texans pick 18 paid off handsomely when JJ was still there at 26, so it worked out beautifully for both teams, but then in round 2, JD traded up with the NYG to get one spot ahead of those Texans who were 100% taking Hall there. Robinson & JD in round 1: "I love you, I love you, kiss, kiss, hug, hug, smootch" Robinson & JD in round 2: "F- You! You sneaky bastard That's how you return a favor? We were going to take Breece there.. he's ours. Ours, you hear? I hate you." Texans....Titans. What's the difference 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, nycdan said: Texans....Titans. What's the difference For the life of me I woke up thinking both deals were Texans. LOL. Nice narrative though. SO I edited it to the correct GMs and it's no longer an irony, certainly not worth the post. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Wonder what happened in the pre draft meetings that turned teams off. Considering the Jets were with him during Senior Bowl along with other things, makes me feel pretty confident it'll turn out okay. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post section314 Posted May 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2022 The most telling and positive nugget from this has to be that JD and Saleh are so in sync with each other and are truly on the same page of how they want to continue to build this thing. Contrast this to the toxic culture Macc had with pretty much everyone in the building, culminating in his last draft where Gase basically left the war room. Good stuff. 12 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 55 minutes ago, Dcat said: The irony is all the bonding JD did with the Texans' GM Robinson before Texans pick 18 paid off handsomely when JJ was still there at 26, so it worked out beautifully for both teams, but then in round 2, JD traded up with the NYG to get one spot ahead of those Texans who were 100% taking Hall there. Robinson & JD in round 1: "I love you, I love you, kiss, kiss, hug, hug, smootch" Robinson & JD in round 2: "F- You! You sneaky bastard That's how you return a favor? We were going to take Breece there.. he's ours. Ours, you hear? I hate you." Titans. Robinson is Titans GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, section314 said: The most telling and positive nugget from this has to be that JD and Saleh are so in sync with each other and are truly on the same page of how they want to continue to build this thing. Contrast this to the toxic culture Macc had with pretty much everyone in the building, culminating in his last draft where Gase basically left the war room. Good stuff. Well Gase wasn’t too involved in the ‘20 draft either. Definitely not to the extent Saleh & his coaches are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, section314 said: The most telling and positive nugget from this has to be that JD and Saleh are so in sync with each other and are truly on the same page of how they want to continue to build this thing. Contrast this to the toxic culture Macc had with pretty much everyone in the building, culminating in his last draft where Gase basically left the war room. Good stuff. I always felt like Tannenbaum & Rex were on the same page during their combined tenure. I do, however, think that Rex had some agreement in place with Woody, that he had say over round 1 picks. I just can't see Tanny, and even Idzik later, completely ignoring offense in the 1st round, beginning the year after trading up to draft Sanchez. Poor defensive round 1 picks like Coples, Kyle Wilson, Pryor, had "Rex" written all over them. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, C Mart said: Titans. Robinson is Titans GM Brain fog. I changed the narrative to Titans and it doesn't work now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 38 minutes ago, OilfieldJet said: It would be fun to be a GM, all the calls, relationships, trade ups, trade backs…..what a blast. Totally agree. #2 on my sports bucket list would be to be ir the Jets War Room fot the 3 days of the draft. #1 on the list? Everyone gets 3 guesses and the first two don't count.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, C Mart said: Well Gase wasn’t too involved in the ‘20 draft either. Definitely not to the extent Saleh & his coaches are. Yeah. Weren't there stories out there that when Macc had the last pre draft meeting with the scouts to set up their final board, that he wouldn't let Gase attend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 31 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Wonder what happened in the pre draft meetings that turned teams off. Considering the Jets were with him during Senior Bowl along with other things, makes me feel pretty confident it'll turn out okay. Yeah that caught my eye. Not sure what that was all about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 The analytics nerds panned the trade for AVT last year, but the reality was that the Jets had no LG, they could not sign one in FA (and they were very expensive) and without one ZW would have been more killed than he already was. When you looked at the 2021 third round, it was hard to find players that we really missed out on. So we all agree that the trade up was a good one, at the time. We are now overpaying for a RG, but hopefully there is a plan. In this draft, I like the players we got, but given the team needs I do feel we were a 3 and/or 4th round pick short. Would have been nice to pick up another S, LB and/or DT, and there were guys on the board we could have used. I hope we were not watching Channing Tindal kill us for the next 5+ years. There was no way the Jets were not taking Jeremy Ruckert. JR was not just another football player from LI-he was like the best HS player on LI for 3 years. I do like the player, person and pick, but there is no way that there were not other considerations (PR, corporate, etc) in making that pick. But as we can see, and they have actually said it, the Jets are building a player pipeline. Many of these draft picks were made looking 1-3 years ahead. Eventually the QB, EDGE and WRs will need to get paid, like other teams do. So the Jets will have to find more affordable alternatives at other positions. Ruckert and Mitchell will be the starters in 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, slats said: Just like to point out that the Jets got a late third rounder back in that trade, the one that netted Jeremy Ruckert. This makes it sound like they gave up a lot more to get him. In reality, the cost according to the draft pick trade chart was a mid-fifth rounder. Exactly. We swapped 3rd round positions, just like we swapped our 2nd for their 1st. The only thing we gave up was the 5th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 51 minutes ago, section314 said: The most telling and positive nugget from this has to be that JD and Saleh are so in sync with each other and are truly on the same page of how they want to continue to build this thing. Contrast this to the toxic culture Macc had with pretty much everyone in the building, culminating in his last draft where Gase basically left the war room. Good stuff. Yup. Maccagnans approach of separating the coaching staff from the acquisition of players was bizarre. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 we are all praising JD for this draft but i have been wondering and this article makes me wonder more.... if Gardner is gone do we pick Stingley or go for a OL. cause an OL would have upend this whole draft. Wilson should still be the pick at 10. or do they take JJ at 10. i doubt we still go Hall and Ruckert. no way do we just add an Edge and ignore the defense till rd 5 and then all the OL drama with Becton. he wouldnt be happy and he loves Twitter. and i dont think he gets traded cause of value and optics. or maybe Woody got invovled and told them they cant draft an OL 3 years in a row. i guess we will never know until ESPN does a "30 for 30" in 20 years to talk about our 2025-26 Super Bowl championships and we look back at this draft as the main piece of it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, varjet said: The analytics nerds panned the trade for AVT last year, but the reality was that the Jets had no LG, they could not sign one in FA (and they were very expensive) and without one ZW would have been more killed than he already was. When you looked at the 2021 third round, it was hard to find players that we really missed out on. So we all agree that the trade up was a good one, at the time. We are now overpaying for a RG, but hopefully there is a plan. In this draft, I like the players we got, but given the team needs I do feel we were a 3 and/or 4th round pick short. Would have been nice to pick up another S, LB and/or DT, and there were guys on the board we could have used. I hope we were not watching Channing Tindal kill us for the next 5+ years. Sure, but you always want the guy that got away- and more! I like to think that A. the Jets CS is more confident in the players they have at LB, S and DT than Jet fans. Nas, Sherwood, Quincy, Marshall, Shep, Rankins and the slew of safeties we have should be plenty to fill in those positions for 2022. There is only so much room on the roster. B. It's nice to have QUALITY over quantity. Sure, we lost out on both 5th rounders. However, being able to get JJ and Hall seems worth it. Odds are you WOULD NOT have gotten the same quality of prospect without moving up. There was no way the Jets were not taking Jeremy Ruckert. JR was not just another football player from LI-he was like the best HS player on LI for 3 years. I do like the player, person and pick, but there is no way that there were not other considerations (PR, corporate, etc) in making that pick. Maybe. There's gotta be some truth to that. But the Jets also looked really close at him before the draft. Seems like they simply liked him purely as a TE prospect (regardless of where he's from) who has some athleticism, can block, catch and has a great demeanor on and off the field. But as we can see, and they have actually said it, the Jets are building a player pipeline. Many of these draft picks were made looking 1-3 years ahead. Eventually the QB, EDGE and WRs will need to get paid, like other teams do. So the Jets will have to find more affordable alternatives at other positions. Ruckert and Mitchell will be the starters in 2023. Well, no guarantee. The HOPE, IMO is that Becton pans out and the Jets are able to keep Fant on a reasonable extension. Mitchell will need to really show out or have some outside influences go his way to start in 2023. Ruckert is buried on the depth chart right now as the #3 TE. Sure, he will get snaps this year b/c of his blocking ability and hopefully his role will expand next year. But again, he will really have to show out to 'start'. CJ and Conklin were both signed to a 3yr deals with an out AFTER 2023. So unless they bust as FAs and Ruckert explodes onto the scene, I don't see how he will suddenly be the 'starting TE' in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 33 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said: Exactly. We swapped 3rd round positions, just like we swapped our 2nd for their 1st. The only thing we gave up was the 5th We did drop down in the 3rd round like 30 spots, but probably picked the guy we would have anyway. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 hours ago, slats said: Just like to point out that the Jets got a late third rounder back in that trade, the one that netted Jeremy Ruckert. This makes it sound like they gave up a lot more to get him. In reality, the cost according to the draft pick trade chart was a mid-fifth rounder. I believe the difference between the third round picks alone was worth a third rounder - mid third on the Jimmy Johnson chart, very late third on the Rich Hill chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, PepPep said: Good point on the other TE contracts. I think that is right-Ruckert is TE1/2 in 2024, hopefully. As I had said before, although JD did structure his FA contracts with “outs” after 1-2 years, he has not exercised any of those outs yet. McGovern, Fant and Rankins are still here. I would think that Davis and Lawson are still here next year. There is no rational explanation at this point for trading up and not getting more defensive help than the Jets liking their defensive players better than those on this Board do. We are a pretty smart group-we knew RG and T would be a problem, and it really, really was. I hope we can add at least one quality hold-the-fort veteran. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, doitny said: we are all praising JD for this draft but i have been wondering and this article makes me wonder more.... if Gardner is gone do we pick Stingley or go for a OL. cause an OL would have upend this whole draft. I think Gardner was mainly a BAP pick. So if he was gone they would have take Ekwonu- just my guess. Wilson should still be the pick at 10. or do they take JJ at 10. i doubt we still go Hall and Ruckert. no way do we just add an Edge and ignore the defense till rd 5. I think Wilson (if available) is still the pick at 10. And yes, JJ, Hall and Ruckert are still the picks...why not? Does 1 CB selection (or lack there of) really make that much of a difference? Its not a huge need for the Jets with DJ Reed, Hall, Echols, Carter II, Guidry. Then, instead of Mitchell, you would assume they take a CB or S or defensive player. and then all the OL drama with Becton. he wouldnt be happy and he loves Twitter. and i dont think he gets traded cause of value and optics. or maybe Woody got invovled and told them they cant draft an OL 3 years in a row. Not sure about Woody, or what Becton would say, but the Jets would Fant in a contract year, Becton coming off injury and Ekwonu an unproven rookie. Going into 2022 and beyond, despite having 3 OTs, this is far from what you would call 'stability' at the position. I'm sure the Jets would be happy with the pick and the best two players will win out the job. Any drama would be generated by the media and fan base. i guess we will never know until ESPN does a "30 for 30" in 20 years to talk about our 2025-26 Super Bowl championships and we look back at this draft as the main piece of it. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 minute ago, derp said: I believe the difference between the third round picks alone was worth a third rounder - mid third on the Jimmy Johnson chart, very late third on the Rich Hill chart. I usually use this one: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp That Jimmy Johnson chart went out the window with the latest CBA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, varjet said: We did drop down in the 3rd round like 30 spots, but probably picked the guy we would have anyway. Agree but we didn't lose a pick in that move. We lost the 5th round pick as there was no position swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, slats said: I usually use this one: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp That Jimmy Johnson chart went out the window with the latest CBA. That link is the Jimmy Johnson chart haha. But even on the Hill chart on that page, pick 69 is worth 71 and pick 101 worth 36. Difference of 35 equals pick 102 or 103. So that difference is a late third rounder, not a fifth. Then the fifth rounder gets it to the early 90’s. Unless there’s a third chart I’m missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, derp said: That link is the Jimmy Johnson chart haha. But even on the Hill chart on that page, pick 69 is worth 71 and pick 101 worth 36. Difference of 35 equals pick 102 or 103. So that difference is a late third rounder, not a fifth. Then the fifth rounder gets it to the early 90’s. Unless there’s a third chart I’m missing. Lol, then I don’t know what I’m doing… But using that chart I linked: Titans get: #36 = 540, #68 = 250, #163 = 24.6. Total: 814.6 Jets get: #26 = 700, #101 = 96. Total: 796 Difference: 18.6, or a late fifth round pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, doitny said: we are all praising JD for this draft but i have been wondering and this article makes me wonder more.... if Gardner is gone do we pick Stingley or go for a OL. cause an OL would have upend this whole draft. Wilson should still be the pick at 10. or do they take JJ at 10. i doubt we still go Hall and Ruckert. no way do we just add an Edge and ignore the defense till rd 5 and then all the OL drama with Becton. he wouldnt be happy and he loves Twitter. and i dont think he gets traded cause of value and optics. or maybe Woody got invovled and told them they cant draft an OL 3 years in a row. i guess we will never know until ESPN does a "30 for 30" in 20 years to talk about our 2025-26 Super Bowl championships and we look back at this draft as the main piece of it. Love it. Huge tailgate and party at Jetlife stadium for the premier.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 41 minutes ago, doitny said: we are all praising JD for this draft but i have been wondering and this article makes me wonder more.... if Gardner is gone do we pick Stingley or go for a OL. cause an OL would have upend this whole draft. Wilson should still be the pick at 10. or do they take JJ at 10. i doubt we still go Hall and Ruckert. no way do we just add an Edge and ignore the defense till rd 5 and then all the OL drama with Becton. he wouldnt be happy and he loves Twitter. and i dont think he gets traded cause of value and optics. or maybe Woody got invovled and told them they cant draft an OL 3 years in a row. i guess we will never know until ESPN does a "30 for 30" in 20 years to talk about our 2025-26 Super Bowl championships and we look back at this draft as the main piece of it. You’re sssuming the OT would replace becton. Fant is on his last year, it could be simply a backfill pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, CTJetsFan said: Exactly. We swapped 3rd round positions, just like we swapped our 2nd for their 1st. The only thing we gave up was the 5th It was an excellent trade from Douglas. Got his guy at 26, and didn't pay a lot. Getting that 3rd round pick swap included allowed him to take Ruckert, a really talented guy who should be a real asset to the team. Bargain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 44 minutes ago, slats said: Lol, then I don’t know what I’m doing… But using that chart I linked: Titans get: #36 = 540, #68 = 250, #163 = 24.6. Total: 814.6 Jets get: #26 = 700, #101 = 96. Total: 796 Difference: 18.6, or a late fifth round pick. Haha my goodness I’m clearly sleep deprived. That is the Jimmy Johnson chart though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 53 minutes ago, slats said: Lol, then I don’t know what I’m doing… But using that chart I linked: Titans get: #36 = 540, #68 = 250, #163 = 24.6. Total: 814.6 Jets get: #26 = 700, #101 = 96. Total: 796 Difference: 18.6, or a late fifth round pick. I think what you're saying is that in total, we overpaid by about a late fifth round pick. Because you're including *all* of the picks. What many people do is try to figure out what the value of the 3's and the 5th are - which I guess is like a late 3. So then, you can say it cost us a late 3 to move up from 35 to 26. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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