Aaron Rodgers to the Jets rumor: Merged

[32EBoozer]

19 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Once traded post June 1 Stafford is $1.5m and $31m the next 2 years with zero dead cap after 2024 for his new team.

Is there something I'm missing here? Isn't Dead $ still applicable, no matter what?

[Tooooon]

44 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

A good, objective, non-sycophantic summary on Joe Douglas here.

Basically he’s been ripped off a bunch of times but that’s been swept under the collective consciousness by the Adams and Darnold trades.

https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/03/26/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-line-sand/

According to this basically everything JD has done is bad.  

[Bobby816]

Confirmed AR will join today, tomorrow or Wednesday. Just tested positive for the flu. Been waiting to pop a bottle of champagne and eat a wagyu steak I have (in the freezer) when this trade goes through.

 

Knowing my luck. It’ll happen when I feel like sh*t.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 minutes ago, Tooooon said:

According to this basically everything JD has done is bad.  

Not exactly.

She gives him credit fleecing Seattle and Carolina.

But interpret it how you like I guess. ?

[bla bla bla]

33 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Is there something I'm missing here? Isn't Dead $ still applicable, no matter what?

You are seeing the dead cap the Rams would take on, not his new team. The Prorated Bonus column does not follow the player. Stafford doesn't have guaranteed money after 2024 so no dead cap for the new team.

[jetswinbaby!]

33 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

Confirmed AR will join today, tomorrow or Wednesday. Just tested positive for the flu. Been waiting to pop a bottle of champagne and eat a wagyu steak I have (in the freezer) when this trade goes through.

 

Knowing my luck. It’ll happen when I feel like sh*t.

 

Go to bed...

Your fever is making you delirious...

[bla bla bla]

1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

The W-L record of 14-37 over the last 3 years is a stone cold fact.

Which of her statements do you disagree with?

McGovern was an overpay.  Giving 15M or whatever to get Ryan Khalil off the couch backfired.

Coughing up the ridiculous guarantees to CJU and Conk were stupid overpays, bidding against himself essentially.

Laken Tomlinson hasn't lived up to his money.

The Becton pick right now was objectively the wrong move.

W/L is no doubt important but without context means little. 49ers owned the 2nd pick in the draft the year before they went to the SB.

 

McGovern was a free agent at a position of need that barely missed games and graded out as one of the better Centers in the NFL with dog poo at QB. Khalil was a worth while swing on a pro bowl Center, remember Douglas was brought in after the draft and FA so options were limited.

Conklin and Uzomah were like the 19th and 21st highest paid TEs, not sure I'd call that ridiculous.

Laken Tomlinson was a Pro Bowler in 2021, his drop-off should not be pinned on Douglas IMO. 

Becton, the pick didn't work out. It sucks. If you consider Becton Mims and Wilson all busts, Douglas would still have a 75% hit rate in the top 2 rounds when the best GMs are 50% in just the first round.

 

I understand your frustration, Douglas isn't perfect but he's far better than the average GM.

[Jet2020]

On 3/26/2023 at 7:55 AM, ChewyandtheJets said:

Be pretty painful to be on the hook for something like $50+ million in dead cap money and also a second round pick in the year 2025 when Rodgers almost surely won’t be playing. 

This. That is why Aaron has a negative trade value. No way I take Aaron at that cap AND giving up a high draft pick. Hope he goes back to GB

[Jet Blast]

1 hour ago, nycdan said:

What about this made you think 'objective'.  It's a completely subjective piece - one writer's opinions.  Every FA pickup that was injured gets flagged as an overpay by Douglas.  She brushes over the wins by lumping 2 or 3 in one sentence as opposed to a paragraph for each injured player.  Some, or most of them might have been slightly above-market, so the opinions aren't invalid by any means, but let's call it what it is.

Agreed.

Furthermore, the "overpay" is a bad team tax that must be paid to get players to come here. I am not a JD apologist and he has made his share of bad moves. But there are a few things everyone should keep in mind before complaining he sucks:

1)  Adam Gase influenced JD's early drafting. Most GM's try to do their best to appease the coaching staff.

2)  Our roster is stronger and deeper than it has been in years.

3)  We are competitive for the first time in a long time.

All considered, he is the best GM we've had in a while. Not perfect... but waaaay better than the chuckleheads before him.

[choon328]

1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

There are no rules saying Rodgers can't practice with our players. Just can't be at a team facility. If I were him I'd make a public announcement that is his intention, Packers would trade him so he doesn't get injured.

If he gets injured outside of the facility they will go after his guaranteed money. Any training done outside of the facility is not covered by your contract and can breach your contract. And they would for sure go after him if he gets hurt practicing with Jets players

[Sammybighead]

1 hour ago, Tooooon said:

According to this basically everything JD has done is bad.  

I mean the adams and darnold trade returns were pretty damn substantial and impressive and should cover up a lot

[choon328]

Here's the crux of the issue with JD. You can draft the offensive and defensive players of the year but ultimately the only thing that matters is getting the QB position right.  He failed at that but he's getting a one in a million chance to bail himself out with Rodgers. It better work out or he'll be gone for sure

[Sammybighead]

13 minutes ago, Jet Blast said:

Agreed.

Furthermore, the "overpay" is a bad team tax that must be paid to get players to come here. I am not a JD apologist and he has made his share of bad moves. But there are a few things everyone should keep in mind before complaining he sucks:

1)  Adam Gase influenced JD's early drafting. Most GM's try to do their best to appease the coaching staff.

2)  Our roster is stronger and deeper than it has been in years.

3)  We are competitive for the first time in a long time.

All considered, he is the best GM we've had in a while. Not perfect... but waaaay better than the chuckleheads before him.

He's the best GM many of us have ever seen unless your Fandom goes back farther than 20 years.

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, Sammybighead said:

He's the best GM many of us have ever seen unless your Fandom goes back farther than 20 years.

"Best Jets GM of the last 20 years" is the lowest possible bar, and Douglas doesn't even clear it. 

[Alka]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If it could get done before this year's draft, where he's in camp the whole spring/summer, I could stomach maxing out at something like (chart value listed first):

• 100: swap 1sts this year (2 slots)
• 470-480: one of this year's 2nds (42 or 43; I wouldn't walk over it)
• ~25-30: a day 3 pick in '24 (worst case for GB should be a bottom-half 4th rounder, unless the Jets make the SB or something)
• ~10-15: another day 3 pick tbd in '25 if Rodgers plays >50% of the snaps in '24 (the main conditional part of the deal)

Nominally GB could save some face by making the case it adds up to a #30-31 overall pick (i.e round 1) value. For the Jets it wouldn't feel anything like that, as it's spread over 3 seasons without actually giving up a 1st rounder who can be retained for a cheaper, 5th option season, and still retain picks in both rounds 1 and 2 this year (maybe more if they trade down from #13). Plus there's no chance the Jets end up forking over the #20 pick in '24 for a mega-expensive 1 & done season followed by a big, accelerated cap hit that same year.

We're not there yet, though. As of today I'm still sticking to something like that without a 1st round swap, or with something involving Davis (if we're just going to sign OBJ anyway). If they want a big upgrade to next year's pick if we make the SB with Rodgers, yeah I'm on board with that.

• I don't know that Davis (even at just 28 yrs old) has much trade value at his full salary - and don't know how much GB specifically values him - but it won't be literally nothing, as they should want a veteran starting WR for Love, plus could recoup a comp pick for him if they let his contract expire. GB could/should also put a salary squeeze on him in late Aug with an opportunity to earn it back if he's healthy: they'd have this leverage, as no one else is offering Davis $10MM+ for just the 2023 season at that late stage of the offseason; either way they'd be in line for a comp pick if he isn't retained.

Of course I prefer your deal to mine.  I hope it plays out that way.  We will see.

[The Crusher]

9 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

"Best Jets GM of the last 20 years" is the lowest possible bar, and Douglas doesn't even clear it. 

Only if you take win percentage into consideration. 

[Green Ghost]

2 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

1) Bridgewater or 2) Wentz on a 1 yr. deal is always an option. Not ideal, but also not caving to extortion. I would be fine with Bridgewater and restart the development of Zach.

I’d rather run Zach out there again than either of those two.

[Green Ghost]

1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

You are seeing the dead cap the Rams would take on, not his new team. The Prorated Bonus column does not follow the player. Stafford doesn't have guaranteed money after 2024 so no dead cap for the new team.

So why would the Rams trade him and incur that hit?

If they did, what would they ask in return? They’re not going to give him away any more than the Ravens or Packers will give away their QBs.

[bitonti]

On 3/24/2023 at 12:40 PM, John Blaze said:

1. The Jets will win at least 10 games and go to the playoffs every year that Rodgers plays for them.

Ok We'll see 

the Packers didn't win 10 games or go to the playoffs with Rodgers last year

 

[oatmeal]

???‍♂️

Way to kill leverage New York… Smfh 

[Larz]

Is today the day?

[32EBoozer]

6 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

They’re not going to give him away any more than the Ravens or Packers will give away their QBs.

2 entirely different scenarios.

Ravens want to keep LJ desperately, but in-line with Josh Allen. They are using other teams to help LJ realize his limited options at his requested price point.

GB is desperate to move on from Rodgers, as they have stated publicly, and go with Love. They hope to obtain as much as possible for Rodgers on his way out the door.

[32EBoozer]

9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Ok We'll see 

the Packers didn't win 10 games or go to the playoffs with Rodgers last year

 

Well, hopefully he won’t have a broken thumb on his playing hand like he did with GB

[ptisme]

3 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Then why would GB grant permission to engage in talks with AR? Why would they allow for any ambiguity in this regard?

That is what I was wondering and I heard on the radio from a local reporter that:

GB wanted the trade parameters agreed upon before the Jets flew to CA but the two sides couldn't come to an immediate agreement and...

Rodgers made his decision so late in the game(eve of FA) and the Jets needed to meet with him ASAP to see if he would play with them.   If not then they would have to quickly transition to their other options such as:

Carr or FA QB.

Thats what the reporter heard and it makes sense.   Yes, Ideally a deal should have been agreed upon in the beginning but he didn't decide to play until the last minute.

[JETS SB]

2 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

???‍♂️

Way to kill leverage New York… Smfh 

Another talking head that knows nothing about what the Jets are doing behind the scenes. No one knows. They don’t leak stuff unless they want it leaked. Important difference. We could be on the phone with Lamar right now and then someone reports the Jets are talking to LJ and the Packers deal gets done. At the very least, this is leverage because there is an option that is there for them. Leverage to the Jets. 

[32EBoozer]

20 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

I’d rather run Zach out there again than either of those two.

Lying is not a good look, just to underscore your argument. Teddy is a very competent Qb. 
 

His avg. Qb rating far exceeds anything the Jets have had over the last 4 years.

[ptisme]

2 hours ago, JETS SB said:

You are joking right ? 

I wish I was...   His agreement to come back to GB last year hinged on Cobb and Lewis being on the team...   This is what we deal with....

[bitonti]

8 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Well, hopefully he won’t have a broken thumb on his playing hand like he did with GB

he plays through alot of injuries but he's also always injured 

 

 

[The Crusher]

12 minutes ago, Larz said:

Is today the day?

Nope, Aaron saw his shadow.

[32EBoozer]

10 minutes ago, ptisme said:

GB wanted the trade parameters agreed upon before the Jets flew to CA but the two sides couldn't come to an immediate agreement and...

Thats what the reporter heard and it makes sense.   Yes, Ideally a deal should have been agreed upon in the beginning but he didn't decide to play until the last minute.

That makes no sense. It would have given GB an exponentially greater amount of leverage to hold firm until the Jets agreed to a specific compensation package before allowing them to speak to Rodgers. 
 

Packers agreed but then realized Rodgers was excited to join the Jets and they realized they were going to look like fools agreeing to offer AR at that compensation. They are in CYA negotiations as we speak, hoping JD will give them more….. not if Rodgers has anything to say about it 

[The Crusher]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

he plays through alot of injuries but he's also always injured 

 

 

The great ones typically do. Pat Mahommes post season play on the ankle was simply incredible. 

[oatmeal]

13 minutes ago, ptisme said:

That is what I was wondering and I heard on the radio from a local reporter that:

GB wanted the trade parameters agreed upon before the Jets flew to CA but the two sides couldn't come to an immediate agreement and...

Rodgers made his decision so late in the game(eve of FA) and the Jets needed to meet with him ASAP to see if he would play with them.   If not then they would have to quickly transition to their other options such as:

Carr or FA QB.

Thats what the reporter heard and it makes sense.   Yes, Ideally a deal should have been agreed upon in the beginning but he didn't decide to play until the last minute.

bro you really think Hackett and the Jets were in the dark about Rodgers wanting to be a jet up until the eve of FA?? I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn

 

[ptisme]

3 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

That makes no sense. It would have given GB an exponentially greater amount of leverage to hold firm until the Jets agreed to a specific compensation package before allowing them to speak to Rodgers. 
 

Packers agreed but then realized Rodgers was excited to join the Jets and they realized they were going to look like fools agreeing to offer AR at that compensation. They are in CYA negotiations as we speak, hoping JD will give them more….. not if Rodgers has anything to say about it 

It makes perfect sense that:

A. The two sides couldn't come to an immediate agreement so:

B. Jets were allowed to talk to Rodgers without an agreement because they had just a few days to convince him to play for them before moving on to Carr.

What ur saying actually makes no sense and is ur opinion and hasn't been reported by anyone...   Send me a link from a report/reporter or don't bother responding as I won't read it...

[ptisme]

3 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

bro you really think Hackett and the Jets were in the dark about Rodgers wanting to be a jet up until the eve of FA?? I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn

 

Are u calling ur would be HOF QB a liar?

[freestater]

22 minutes ago, Larz said:

Is today the day?

 

On 3/26/2023 at 9:57 AM, Larz said:

Is today the day ?

 

On 3/25/2023 at 6:31 PM, Larz said:

Was today the day ?  Does JD need to man up and call Lamar yet ?