Zach…….

[Smashmouth]

12 hours ago, bitonti said:

If he does not get fired he gets an extension 

Does jd really deserve a raise for 5 wins per year? 

JD has put together a pretty talented Roster .... We hit a rash of injuries the year before last and severe injuries on the OL at RB that had a big effect on our offense last year that's the nature of the game sometimes. JD is easily the most competent GM we have had here in 40 years maybe ever / He addresses issues year to year as needed and he does it without selling out on the draft and last year he might have had one of the best drafts in the history of the sport. He's not going to have that type of draft every year because no one does ever.

[T0mShane]

OOF

 

[Biggs]

3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

He was the Cards GM in 2022.  Slightly different picture

I was just pointing out that he wasn't fired for drafting Rosen.  Kingsbury had almost nothing to do with drafting Murray.  Kiem hired Kingsbury after he had the first pick.  He was all in on Murray.  He hired Kingsbury who was completely unqualified to be an NFL HC soley to make Murray comfortable.  Keim picked Kingsbury's entire defensive staff.  He picked Steve Wilks entire offensive staff the year before when he drafted Rosen.  I believe they moved up to 10 to do it.

He got canned for a bad contract to Murray.  The owner didn't mind drafting two cheap busts.  It's paying real money for a second tier bust that was his undoing.  It may be one reason Lamar's value has been driven down.

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

JD is easily the most competent GM we have had here in 40 years maybe ever 

JD is the best Jets gm at convincing the fans he's great. He's not better than Parcells or even tanny. His w-l record is terrible and the Zach pick might be the worst in team history. 

He's a mediocre gm. Some good, some bad. He's the one signing the injury prone players. He does dumb things too like trading for Joe Flacco, James Robinson and signing Ryan Kalil 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

JD is the best Jets gm at convincing the fans he's great. He's not better than Parcells or even tanny. His w-l record is terrible and the Zach pick might be the worst in team history. 

He's a mediocre gm. Some good, some bad. He's the one signing the injury prone players. He does dumb things too like trading for Joe Flacco, James Robinson and signing Ryan Kalil 

How exactly does or has JD convinced people he’s a great GM?  Have a great draft? 

Kalil.  When I read that example I automatically check off the dumb argument, dumb post box.

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

How exactly does or has JD convinced people he’s a great GM?  Have a great draft? 

Kalil.  When I read that example I automatically check off the dumb argument, dumb post box.

People believe what they want to believe. And Jets fans desperately want to believe JD is awesome 

Why don't we talk about kalil? Joe Douglas gave a guy with a trick neck 8 mil to do nothing. Fun fact they shared an agent at the time. 

Center also remains a huge need. For a former offensive lineman JD has done a terrible job building the line 

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

People believe what they want to believe. And Jets fans desperately want to believe JD is awesome 

Why don't we talk about kalil? Joe Douglas gave a guy with a trick neck 8 mil to do nothing. Fun fact they shared an agent at the time. 

Center also remains a huge need. For a former offensive lineman JD has done a terrible job building the line 

You mean we don’t believe you.  
You shouldn’t talk Kalil because your guy, Macc, left the Jets without a C.  Out of desperation, because of your guys negligence, JD was desperate and took a chance on a retired former All Pro who got in shape and wanted to try a comeback.  So get your nonsense right first.  
 

[bitonti]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

You mean we don’t believe you.  
You shouldn’t talk Kalil because your guy, Macc, left the Jets without a C.  Out of desperation, because of your guys negligence, JD was desperate and took a chance on a retired former All Pro who got in shape and wanted to try a comeback.  So get your nonsense right first.  
 

The center woes continue, McGovern never lived up to his contract and now he's gone 

and Mac isn't my guy, But JD might be yours 

 

[Jet Nut]

10 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The center woes continue, McGovern never lived up to his contract and now he's gone 

and Mac isn't my guy, But JD might be yours 

 

McGoverns been fine.  The over sell of a C continues.  
I’ve told you JD is my guy.  Numerous times in this thread.  You came back with Macc was better nonsense.  Not me

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 3/9/2023 at 5:29 PM, slimjasi said:

I would be careful dancing on Zach Wilson's Jets grave just yet. He's probably going to be one injury from being QB1 again this year, and if AR retires after one year . . . 

 

anyway. carry on. 

Mike White, New York jets backup qb 

[Dunnie]

25 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Mike White, New York jets backup qb 

wager ?

[Rich Thornburgh]

Just now, Dunnie said:

wager ?

We all know who the backup qb is going to be and it won’t be white

[Jetluv58]

31 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Mike White, New York jets backup qb 

McRib out by halftime. 

[Flashlite80]

On 3/9/2023 at 10:07 AM, rangerous said:

How about Rosen or Russell or leaf? Those guys were all toast after one season. But at the same time there are guys like theisman or Gannon or even geno, who took a few seasons to start. Young didn’t too much for Tampa but then had to sit for a while on the niners. And then look at a guy like Doug Williams who was short changed in Tampa but was good enough to lead the redskins to a Super Bowl win.  As for Zach, there’s something Douglas saw in spite of milfy pounding the table for him. He can make some amazing throws and then fail miserably on the gimmes. IMO this takes him needing to learn how to win the game and not take the gimme throws for granted. Every play is important. I don’t think any vet can be expected to be his mentor. The jets need to make sure he gets enough attention from the coaches. Maybe that’s an additional attraction of Rodgers. As I recall sch**ty had little to do with the offense when Favre came on board. And let’s not forget that Zach did qb five of the wins last season. In spite of Zach? Maybe but he was still there.

When he makes a big throw, his mechanics tend to be better.  He can't throw 40 yards unless he gets in the right position.  The "gimmies" he throws across his body, often his body is not facing his target and his footwork is lousy.  Funny thing is the talent is there.  He just can't get the mechanics of quarterbacking right.  Also, he looses focus under pressure, sometimes stops looking downfield and forgets where his options are.

The basic mechanics are troubling.  How did he get to the pros with such terrible mechanics?  How did scouts not pick it up?  Maybe it's because he didn't face much pressure against the weak BYU opponents.  We know he is completely useless under pressure, with a QBR under 20!!!!!!!!!  He was accurate when not pressured.  

Better protection will help a lot.  Still, he will have to learn to process under pressure and stay mechanically sound or, as they do now, teams will sell out on him constantly.  If he can, maybe he can be fixed.  If not, he better invest his contract money well because he is done in the NFL.

[Jetsplayer21]

22 hours ago, bitonti said:

JD is the best Jets gm at convincing the fans he's great. He's not better than Parcells or even tanny. His w-l record is terrible and the Zach pick might be the worst in team history. 

He's a mediocre gm. Some good, some bad. He's the one signing the injury prone players. He does dumb things too like trading for Joe Flacco, James Robinson and signing Ryan Kalil 

1 dam lose from getting Trevor Lawrence. I wouldn’t crown JD gm of the yr for making that pick if we had that opportunity. We could have traded back, really used all those picks to re-build , OL a lot. I give JD credit for trying. But little too risky drafting complete wildcard unproven qb like Zach, just because barley missed out on the big prize 

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, Flashlite80 said:

When he makes a big throw, his mechanics tend to be better.  He can't throw 40 yards unless he gets in the right position.  The "gimmies" he throws across his body, often his body is not facing his target and his footwork is lousy.  Funny thing is the talent is there.  He just can't get the mechanics of quarterbacking right.  Also, he looses focus under pressure, sometimes stops looking downfield and forgets where his options are.

The basic mechanics are troubling.  How did he get to the pros with such terrible mechanics?  How did scouts not pick it up?  Maybe it's because he didn't face much pressure against the weak BYU opponents.  We know he is completely useless under pressure, with a QBR under 20!!!!!!!!!  He was accurate when not pressured.  

Better protection will help a lot.  Still, he will have to learn to process under pressure and stay mechanically sound or, as they do now, teams will sell out on him constantly.  If he can, maybe he can be fixed.  If not, he better invest his contract money well because he is done in the NFL.

I don’t buy the mechanics argument that much. As you said how did he get to the pros with bad mechanics. The thing is he’s almost never going to have great mechanics. It’s the way he’s been throwing forever. I think you can only change how a person does things just so much.  But what I also see is a guy who hasn’t learned that a guaranteed 5-7 yards on first or second down is an extremely valuable thing to get. He seems to want more and doesn’t get the risk/reward aspect.

we’ll see pretty soon if he has learned how to play the game.

[Warfish]

On 3/10/2023 at 12:39 PM, bitonti said:

JD is the best Jets gm at convincing the fans he's great. He's not better than Parcells or even tanny.

Yes he is.

On 3/10/2023 at 12:39 PM, bitonti said:

His w-l record is terrible

It is.  So far. 

Tenure isn't over, and unlike Parcells he has yet to force the greatest Head Coach in NFL history to our arch rivals yet.  Stress yet......

On 3/10/2023 at 12:39 PM, bitonti said:

and the Zach pick might be the worst in team history.

Eh, if we rid ourselves of it asap, the harm is minor.  It's not 1974, you can recover from a bad QB pick if you choose to.

And pets not pretend the Parcells Era was riddled with great drafts.  Only 2000, after he quit on us as Coach and was in his final throes as our figurehead GM, was any good realy.

On 3/10/2023 at 12:39 PM, bitonti said:

He's a mediocre gm. Some good, some bad.

100% Fair so far.  Very hit or miss.

Parcells was a flat our bad GM tho.  Bad drafts, bad FA decisions (mostly).  Bad contracts.  Bad coach staff decisions.

He saved us, then killed us.  Fat Tuna being Fat Tuna.

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 3/10/2023 at 7:59 PM, Jet Nut said:

How exactly does or has JD convinced people he’s a great GM?  Have a great draft? 

Kalil.  When I read that example I automatically check off the dumb argument, dumb post box.

You kinda just proved bit’s point

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Yes he is.

It is.  So far. 

Tenure isn't over, and unlike Parcells he has yet to force the greatest Head Coach in NFL history to our arch rivals yet.  Stress yet......

Eh, if we rid ourselves of it asap, the harm is minor.  It's not 1974, you can recover from a bad QB pick if you choose to.

And pets not pretend the Parcells Era was riddled with great drafts.  Only 2000, after he quit on us as Coach and was in his final throes as our figurehead GM, was any good realy.

100% Fair so far.  Very hit or miss.

Parcells was a flat our bad GM tho.  Bad drafts, bad FA decisions (mostly).  Bad contracts.  Bad coach staff decisions.

He saved us, then killed us.  Fat Tuna being Fat Tuna.

 

Fwiw Parcells was great at hiring assistant coaches and acquiring talent like Curtis. He wasn't perfect but a damn sight better than the jd circus 

[Warfish]

26 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Fwiw Parcells was great at hiring assistant coaches and acquiring talent like Curtis. He wasn't perfect but a damn sight better than the jd circus 

Typical rose-colored glasses to what in-truth was a single good season and mostly a pile of overhyped "fixed the culture" poop.

Mostly bad player moves and contracts.

Utterly failed to secure Bellichek as replacement, leading to the Pats Dynasty.

Only here for three years, one only of which was a truly great winning season.  It wasn't better because of his screw ups at QB.

His time here was like a bad pop group who scraped out a single hit.  Good for him.

[Beerfish]

Zac Wilson is starting QB in 2025 or 2024 if Rodgers decides to pack it in after one year.  That is the plan.

[Dunnie]

6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Zac Wilson is starting QB in 2025 or 2024 if Rodgers decides to pack it in after one year.  That is the plan.

New Zach City Baby

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

 

Only here for three years

His time here was like a bad pop group who scraped out a single hit.  Good for him.

JD has been here for 4 years and they haven't had a winning season 

Parcells was a whisker away from the super bowl. Tanny/Rex got two afc cg 

JD has great press clippings and an almost unexplainable following among the fans but the team actual results are below mediocre 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

JD has been here for 4 years and they haven't had a winning season 

Parcells was a whisker away from the super bowl. Tanny/Rex got two afc cg 

......the team actual results are below mediocre 

Yes, all true.

Doesn't change anything I've said. 

Parcells was a total sh*t GM.

[TuscanyTile2]

[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

You kinda just proved bit’s point

Actually I didn’t.

[Smashmouth]

7 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Zac Wilson is starting QB in 2025 or 2024 if Rodgers decides to pack it in after one year.  That is the plan.

 That may be your plan ....

[Vader]

On 3/10/2023 at 12:39 PM, bitonti said:

JD is the best Jets gm at convincing the fans he's great. He's not better than Parcells or even tanny. His w-l record is terrible and the Zach pick might be the worst in team history. 

He's a mediocre gm. Some good, some bad. He's the one signing the injury prone players. He does dumb things too like trading for Joe Flacco, James Robinson and signing Ryan Kalil 

Zach and Becton were speculative, two of the worst pics in team history. 

[Jetsplayer21]

15 minutes ago, Vader said:

Zach and Becton were speculative, two of the worst pics in team history. 

Gholston, Dee Milner ,  hackenberg , Kyle Brady..Calvin prior, Kyle Wilson , darron Lee, coples. All were worse than Becton. Who still has time to turn it around, and really had a very good rookie yr. Sam darnold and mark sanchez pretty bad too. Factoring in we also had to give up quality draft picks to move up to get those bums. Zack Wilson though will likely be the jets worst pick in franchise history. Top 3 in NFL history.

[Jetsplayer21]

8 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Zac Wilson is starting QB in 2025 or 2024 if Rodgers decides to pack it in after one year.  That is the plan.

Vegas would love you to bet on that lol. 

[Beerfish]

3 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Vegas would love you to bet on that lol. 

Rodgers is one and done or maybe two years if we have a fantastic year one.  I don't have much doubt this will be the case.

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Rodgers is one and done or maybe two years if we have a fantastic year one.  I don't have much doubt this will be the case.

Probably. But there is a MUCH greater chance Aaron rodgers is still playing in NFL in 3 years than zach Wilson. 

[JETS SB]

25 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Probably. But there is a MUCH greater chance Aaron rodgers is still playing in NFL in 3 years than zach Wilson. 

Can pretty much guarantee you are wrong with this one.  Though I hope you are right and Rodgers is still with the Jets.  But it’s likely that Rodgers is retired and Zach is a backup somewhere. 

[talonmm]

On 3/9/2023 at 9:42 AM, jeremy2020 said:

Christian Hackenberg. 

At least Hack's teammates liked him!

[Sperm Edwards]

On 3/9/2023 at 2:26 PM, EM31 said:

Specifically on the development of young QBs he famously declared that developing Jordon Love was "not his job" so I stick to my original point. 

I saw you post this quote twice now, but it doesn't seem to be true. If you can provide a link to where Rodgers ever famously said it's "not his job" to mentor, help, develop, etc. with regards to Love (or any other young Packers QB), I'd be interested in seeing it. 

There's little doubt at a time he was justifiably shocked (and less than thrilled) that, as a current contender, Green Bay's first foray into drafting first-round offense in a decade was on another QB to someday replace him in the future, rather than use it to add a needed + immediate round-1 talent starter to help them get back to the SB in the present. Excuse me -- two picks that year, seeing how Green Bay traded their 4th round pick to move up 4 slots to draft Love.

The only "not my job" comments I can find are attributed to Brett Favre.

• Initially when Rodgers was drafted, Favre said "My contract doesn't say I have to get Aaron Rodgers ready to play."
• Then in retirement, after the Packers drafted Love, Favre - not Rodgers - was the one to say "Aaron's job is not to mentor Jordan Love"
• I am unable to find anywhere Rodgers himself said that as either a direct quote or even in principle.

He's had - and maintained - good relationships with other Packers backup QBs who - like Zach Wilson certainly would be - were no threats to his job (and even with Love, not an immediate threat).

This article is from May 15 after the Packers drafted Love:

Rodgers, however, said he’ll be there for Love, the 26th pick from Utah State.

“I would say the same that I’ve done with all my backup quarterbacks,” Rodgers said in a conference call on Friday. “I feel great about those relationships that I developed over the years. Many of them are still really close friends. I consider Matt Flynn a very close friend. I still have great contact with a lot of guys I played with over the years. Deshone and Manny (Wilkins) to Tim and I are really close. Brett Hundley and I keep in touch all the time. Scotty Tolzien and I talk from time to time.

“So, I’ve had great relationships over the years with those guys and I’d expect that same type of relationship with Jordan. He didn't get asked to be drafted by the Packers. He’s not to blame at all. He’s just coming in excited about his opportunity. We had a great conversation the day after the draft and I’m excited to work with him. He seems like a really good kid with a good head on his shoulders. Similar story, not heavily recruited out of college (and) kind of made his way at Utah State. We’ve had some great conversations.”

Yeah there's some subtle passive-aggressiveness in referring to Love as merely his backup, but in truth Love was clearly going to be his backup that year at a minimum & it's doubtless the team said that to him outright (in addition to it being obvious enough it didn't need saying).

Once the dust settled & a microphone/camera wasn't in his face, outside of his known drama + flakiness with regard to his extension or retirement threats to host Jeopardy! full-time, it seems Rodgers was a good teammate to Love (or at least not a bad one).

• 2020: Aaron Rodgers Is Already Mentoring Jordan Love in Packers Camp [video]  
• 2021: Jordan Love: Relationship with Aaron Rodgers is like Master and Padawan
• 2021: from Tim Boyle after signing with Detroit:

ALLEN PARK -- Tim Boyle spent the past three years backing up Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay before signing a one-year deal with the Detroit Lions earlier this offseason. Boyle wasn’t looking to discuss the drama going down on the other side of Lake Michigan but said he hopes both sides can figure it out, calling Rodgers one of his best friends and role models. The new Lions quarterback did make sure to share two takeaways that stand out from his time with the reigning MVP.

“When you’re around someone elite like Aaron Rodgers, you always want to pick their brain and ask those questions, and he was awesome to me in making sure he understood what he was seeing,” Boyle said from Detroit’s minicamp. “So I see the game a little differently now being around him, and like I said -- like (Lions quarterbacks coach) Mark Brunnel, he’s seen so many snaps, been in every situation. He has a wealth of knowledge, so I was fortunate enough to be with him for three years, pick his brain, and apply what I’ve learned from him on the field now.”

I mean, I get the less than fan-thrilling angle with regard to his contract/retirement since it was very public, but the other QBs on the Packers paint a picture of the exact opposite of a guy who tells the QB2/QB3 on the roster to eff off & they're on their own.

Once Rodgers is officially off the team, or after Love's become a solid or better starter, he may very well detail Rodgers being an arrogant, aloof douche to him, or say Rodgers ignored and/or outright refused to help him or say he's a QB not a QB coach. Thus far it's hard to find anyone saying anything like that between those two (including from the two horses' mouths).