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10 minutes ago, SoJetsy said:

Can you think of another QB who was drafted and became not even an after thought so soon. Can Rogers help this kid be the heir apparent in two years?

Jim Plunkett comes to mind. While the Pats kept marching him out there for 4.5 seasons after making him the first overall pick, everyone knew that this was not working and that his play was terrible. 

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15 minutes ago, SoJetsy said:

Can you think of another QB who was drafted and became not even an after thought so soon. Can Rogers help this kid be the heir apparent in two years?

Josh Rosen.

Akili Smith

There are more, too lazy to look them all up.  Most big-bust QB's are effectively sidelined by year 3 or 4.

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3 minutes ago, SoJetsy said:

Can you think of another QB who was drafted and became not even an after thought so soon. Can Rogers help this kid be the heir apparent in two years?

The Jets have come out and said they still believe in Zach, aren't giving up on him and want to develop him. You can argue that's all nonsense to cover their a**es. But the fact is, he is not quite a complete afterthought. If this team wasn't suddenly on the verge of being a threat in the AFC East (with some dangerous weapons on offense and a top 5 defense), then Zach would probably have a solid chance of starting again in 2023. 

When you look at that same draft, seems like Trey Lance is more of an afterthought. I mean, the Niners aren't planning on getting rid of him either but they have Purdy recovering from injury (who they know can play) and are now looking for another vet to hold the fort in the mean time.  

I mean, I feel like there are a lot of QBs in NFL history who fall into this pit, either due to injury or circumstance, or not being ready, or just sucking. 

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How about Rosen or Russell or leaf? Those guys were all toast after one season. But at the same time there are guys like theisman or Gannon or even geno, who took a few seasons to start. Young didn’t too much for Tampa but then had to sit for a while on the niners. And then look at a guy like Doug Williams who was short changed in Tampa but was good enough to lead the redskins to a Super Bowl win.  As for Zach, there’s something Douglas saw in spite of milfy pounding the table for him. He can make some amazing throws and then fail miserably on the gimmes. IMO this takes him needing to learn how to win the game and not take the gimme throws for granted. Every play is important. I don’t think any vet can be expected to be his mentor. The jets need to make sure he gets enough attention from the coaches. Maybe that’s an additional attraction of Rodgers. As I recall sch**ty had little to do with the offense when Favre came on board. And let’s not forget that Zach did qb five of the wins last season. In spite of Zach? Maybe but he was still there.

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23 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

As to the OP, the speed and violence with which they moved on from Zach suggests that its more than just his play on the field. 

Doesn't suggest that even a little bit. 

I can't even believe you're being serious when you were calling him to be benched about 30 months ago.  They stuck with him as long as they could until the toxic fan base forced Saleh's hand.

The fact that he hasn't been traded and is actually looking like #2 on the depth chart - really says how highly they think of him.

For the record: I would still be surprised if he's not traded or #3 but that's not the case right now.

 

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1 hour ago, juxsta said:

Josh Rosen

Arizona quickly realized thier mistake and instantly moved on. 

the real story is the people who picked Rosen got fired and KK moved on to Murray 

I can't think of a story where the people who picked the bust get to make further decisions 

23 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

As  I've said before, the people that hate Zac Wilson should also hate the idea of getting Aaron Rodgers

hey that's me 

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4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the real story is the people who picked Rosen got fired and KK moved on to Murray 

I can't think of a story where the people who picked the bust get to make further decisions 

You can start with the guy who drafted Rosen. He drafted Murray, too. 

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6 minutes ago, slats said:

You can start with the guy who drafted Rosen. He drafted Murray, too. 

Rosen/Murray situation is 10x worse than ZW. Way more wasted draft capital, way more wasted $$, and way more wasted years.

Funny thing is the ones who want to give themselves a reach around over not wanting ZW, were all largely slurping over Cardinals getting Murray so quickly after Rosen

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2 hours ago, SoJetsy said:

Can you think of another QB who was drafted and became not even an after thought so soon. Can Rogers help this kid be the heir apparent in two years?

Did Rodgers work with Jordan Love? Said "It's not my job" so good luck him mentoring Zach Wilson. No, ZW is on his own with that.

 

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Zach is a bust, if he magically turns things around then nobody would be happier than me but the chances of that are mighty thin.

Rogers is a selfish prick. No reason or historical evidence to suggest that he would be helpful to a youngster

Get Rogers, draft his replacement in the 3rd round this year and have that player take the reins three years from now after a couple of deep playoff run years.

Three years from now Zach will be on a reality TV show where formerly famous people compete to bang the most leathery-skinned cougars in a mansion that is normally used to shoot porn movies.  Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

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24 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I would be careful dancing on Zach Wilson's Jets grave just yet. He's probably going to be one injury from being QB1 again this year, and if AR retires after one year . . . 

 

anyway. carry on. 

If the jets get rodgers you’d have to think they’re drafting a qb in 2024 to groom.  Unless wilson shows much more he’ll be gone.  

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7 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Rogers is a selfish prick. No reason or historical evidence to suggest that he would be helpful to a youngster

Other than he took calls from Zach during the season to help him out and apparently likes him

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34 minutes ago, slats said:

You can start with the guy who drafted Rosen. He drafted Murray, too. 

fair enough Steve Kiem you're referring to? the GM

Steve Wilks the HC took the fall for Rosen pick only lasted one year 

unless they start winning and fast someone has to take the blame 

the Zach pick was so bad the Sauce pick and Garrett Wilson OROY/DROY don't really make up for it 

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

As to the OP, the speed and violence with which they moved on from Zach suggests that its more than just his play on the field. 

This. 

Like, the fact that he is unplayably bad is clearly a huge factor. They can't sell him as the QB to fans... But the way this has played out is clearly influenced by the fact that he's universally disliked within the organization.

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