Jets Sign Ancient WR Randall Cobb

[Green Ghost]

Gordy Nelson is probably having lunch with Woody, JD, Saleh and our OC right now.

[bonkertons]

Jesus Christ, people really getting outraged about our #5 or 6 WR signing?  A guy who is cheap, can be a mentor to our young WR, has experience with the QB we're pinning our hopes on, and is only signed for a year?  How can anyone complain about this?  Because it MIGHT force Mims to work harder to earn the last spot over an UDFA?  The horror....

Also LOL at the guy who said "JD letting Rodgers play GM".  I'm sure Rodgers was the one demanding that we take an Edge rusher at 15.  

[playtowinthegame]

We DiDn'T DrAfT JSN BeCauSe CoBB WaS CoMinG To ThE JeTs!

[NJ]

If anybody tells me he cant get open in the flat or over the middle to secure first downs - then he'd be useless.

If anybody tells me that they'd also be wrong.

[Barry McCockinner]

2 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

Jesus Christ, people really getting outraged about our #5 or 6 WR signing?  A guy who is cheap, can be a mentor to our young WR, has experience with the QB we're pinning our hopes on, and is only signed for a year?  How can anyone complain about this?  Because it MIGHT force Mims to work harder to earn the last spot over an UDFA?  The horror....

Also LOL at the guy who said "JD letting Rodgers play GM".  I'm sure Rodgers was the one demanding that we take an Edge rusher at 15.  

Not to pick on you because I see a lot of this but I don't understand why people not liking the signing has to be characterized as people getting outraged or going crazy or whatever. It's OK to not like everything the Jets do. Not liking something doesn't have to mean you're flipping out or being outraged.

It's possible to not like this signing and also think it's not a huge deal.

[Green Ghost]

18 minutes ago, Dcat said:

There is no such thing as the "JSN" role.  We'll see how the Seahawks play him. He could be Tyler Lockett's eventual replacement there.  He'll start off mostly, if not all, in the slot.  JD wasn't drafting him with or without Cobb.  Jets fans need to get over JSN.  He was never in the plans. 

And I think now we know why.

[slats]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Oh, guess we disagree then.  I'd presume Cobb-to-Jets was in the works before the Jets draft, given this timing, and that Rodgers wanted it this way.  I'm sure that would factor into what JD would pivot to if (as happened) all the top OT's were already off the board.

If you don't think it played any part, you're entitled to that view, lord knows us fans will never know.  But why would JD draft a WR if he knew he was planning to have Wilson/Davis/Lazard/Cobb/Hardman/Mims as his 6 guys?  Unless we think JD still plans to move Davis or Mims maybe?

Ok, at least now I understand your reaction, we just disagree on this.

I definitely believe that Douglas picked McDonald because he was the top player on his BAP board while the top players on the need side of the aisle were way further down. That if he thought JSN was the top prospect there, he would’ve told Rodgers sorry on Cobb and taken him there. I really think it’s that simple. He certainly hasn’t had an aversion to drafting the position, unlike his predecessors. 

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

I think it'll be an interesting bet on if Cobb winds up 5th in targets in 2023 or better.

I have a distinct feeling he'll be 4th in targets, not 5th, personally.

Wilson/Davis/Lazard/Cobb/Hardman/Mims, in that order, is how I would wager (today) that targets ends up.

Also think you severely underestimate Hardman. This guy’s been #3 in targets in Kansas City behind Hill and Kelce since his sophomore season. Cobb was 6th in targets in Green Bay last year with Rodgers. All things being equal and healthy, Cobb is primarily a depth piece here who will not rise above #5 WR status while Hardman has a legitimate chance to be #3 over Davis. 

[Green Ghost]

2 hours ago, Cyberjet said:

The Jets are on the clock

 

Woody: “JD - AR is on the phone”
 

Rodgers: “JD so help me god - if you pick JSN with my man Cobbs out there we are history”

JD: “oh oh I’m sorry Aaron. Hold on a second”  (Muted conversation with hand over phone: “Hey Woody AR doesn’t want us picking JSN - your favorite guy on the board - what do we do?” Response inaudible. 
 

JD: “We won’t- what’s Cobb’s #?”

Hangs up.

Saleh: “JD we have one minute left! What do we do?”

JD: “No one called for a trade down?”

Woody: “What’s a trade down?”

JD: “oh sh*t - take that guy who jumps over cars”

With the 15th pick the Jets choose Evel Knievel

 

 

 

POTY

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

Green Bay East -  Aaron and his boys

[The Crusher]

7 minutes ago, slats said:

I definitely believe that Douglas picked McDonald because he was the top player on his BAP board while the top players on the need side of the aisle were way further down. That if he thought JSN was the top prospect there, he would’ve told Rodgers sorry on Cobb and taken him there. I really think it’s that simple. He certainly hasn’t had an aversion to drafting the position, unlike his predecessors. 

Also think you severely underestimate Hardman. This guy’s been #3 in targets in Kansas City behind Hill and Kelce since his sophomore season. Cobb was 6th in targets in Green Bay last year with Rodgers. All things being equal and healthy, Cobb is primarily a depth piece here who will not rise above #5 WR status while Hardman has a legitimate chance to be #3 over Davis. 

Free Denzel?

[bonkertons]

4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Not to pick on you because I see a lot of this but I don't understand why people not liking the signing has to be characterized as people getting outraged or going crazy or whatever. It's OK to not like everything the Jets do. Not liking something doesn't have to mean you're flipping out or being outraged.

It's possible to not like this signing and also think it's not a huge deal.

Maybe outraged was the wrong word - I think "hyperbolic" would be better.  One guy says Rodgers is the GM now and JD is a "cuck".  Another says if Maccagnan had done this, we'd be calling for him to be fired.  Another claiming that we botched our draft and didn't take JSN because of this move, which is one of the most moronic things I've seen on here.  

 

I've never seen a depth signing - literally our 5th WR at best - get THIS much attention, much less this much criticism.  People acting like our season just went up in flames because of this. 

[Jets723]

I mean it’s a depth signing.  Not like he is going to be a top 3 receiver on this team.  Nothing wrong with grabbing depth especially when the QB has familiarity with them 

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, bonkertons said:

Maybe outraged was the wrong word - I think "hyperbolic" would be better.  One guy says Rodgers is the GM now and JD is a "cuck".  Another says if Maccagnan had done this, we'd be calling for him to be fired.  Another claiming that we botched our draft and didn't take JSN because of this move, which is one of the most moronic things I've seen on here.  

 

I've never seen a depth signing - literally our 5th WR at best - get THIS much attention, much less this much criticism.  People acting like our season just went up in flames because of this. 

and on the other side of the coin you have @slats arguing that Cobb is pretty much the same, if not better, than DeAndre Hopkins.

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, bonkertons said:

Maybe outraged was the wrong word - I think "hyperbolic" would be better.  One guy says Rodgers is the GM now and JD is a "cuck".  Another says if Maccagnan had done this, we'd be calling for him to be fired.  Another claiming that we botched our draft and didn't take JSN because of this move, which is one of the most moronic things I've seen on here.  

 

I've never seen a depth signing - literally our 5th WR at best - get THIS much attention, much less this much criticism.  People acting like our season just went up in flames because of this. 

but but a one year deal with the old Cobb is THE REASON JD from drafting JSN! Or Kincaid.   

Sorry, but it gets funnier every time.  I can't resist.

 

[BornJetsFan1983]

3 hours ago, DLJ said:

Per Schefter:

A reunion: Former Packers’ WR Randall Cobb is expected to agree to a one-year deal with the New York Jets, allowing him to play with Aaron Rodgers in NY, per sources. The two men who walked off the field together in Green Bay now get to do more work to do together.

well not sure how this actually helps us on the field, but if Aaron is happy who cares, he is better than berrios and we paid him for years.

I guess the case can be made that he can help get other up to speed on how Aaron likes to do things and help implement the system etc. I guess but not really sure we need him to do that. But for our HOF QB, Ill take the bad with the good. 

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 minute ago, Dcat said:

but but a one year deal with the old Cobb is THE REASON JD from drafting JSN! Or Kincaid.   

Sorry, but it gets funnier every time.  I can't resist.

 

ugghh do people really want us to have drafted Kinkaid? isnt he a ****ign TE? god I hate some jet fans.

[bonkertons]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

and on the other side of the coin you have @slats arguing that Cobb is pretty much the same, if not better, than DeAndre Hopkins.

Wasn't he the guy who was basically just saying it's a bit weird to want 31 year old OBJ or Hopkins while calling a 32 year old "ancient"?  I didn't see him compare their ability.  Just the hypocrisy in labeling Cobb "ancient".  

 

Maybe I'm wrong though and we're talking about two different people.

[Green Ghost]

2 hours ago, DoubleDown said:

Truly hope this is for vet minimum level of money with no lock to make the roster.

That will be up to Aaron Rodgers to decide.

[CTJetsFan]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

So was I.  I was a big Mims fan when we drafted him, and I was also hoping he would finally show something with Rodgers, but that dream is dying.  You don't carry a 6th WR who can't play specials.  Now, maybe if he impresses in camp with Rodgers, he makes a claim for a roster spot and we look to move Davis, but I am not holding out any hope.

In my mind, his roster spot is gone and he will have to find a way to win it back.

Lith  - I'm pretty sure Mims started playing special teams last season.

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, bicketybam said:

I hope to God Cobb isn't pass protecting

Just about every running back needs to know how to pass protect. Of course they’re not on the oline but serve to pick up the blitzes or any free rusher.

[Scott Dierking]

24 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Gordy Nelson is probably having lunch with Woody, JD, Saleh and our OC right now.

[Dcat]

Funny how the Packers didn't draft JSN and they had the opportunity to do so and a glaring need at WR. 

There is a reason that JSN fell to 20 and that is because his real value is closer to bottom third of rd 1 than people care to admit. 

[playtowinthegame]

15 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

I've never seen a depth signing - literally our 5th WR at best - get THIS much attention, much less this much criticism.  People acting like our season just went up in flames because of this.

 

With some posters, and I don't have to name anyone, you can see the quantity of post they've made whining about not taking JSN. When the Jets pick up a 5th receiver like Cobb, they use that as another opportunity to cry some more about JD passing on JSN. It comes off petulant. We get it, the non-experts who don't work as an NFL scout for a living are upset over JD passing on JSN. They read a few mock drafts, played with mock draft simulators, and because their expectations didn't line up with who JD selected at #15, we have to endure the outrage over not drafting a slot receiver instead of an Edge with the 15th pick in the draft. 

[Barry McCockinner]

3 hours ago, slats said:

They’re certainly similarly old. Last we saw OBJ, he was carted off the field for yet another ACL. Hopkins has missed time the last two years, too. Both are/would be massively expensive, and I don’t know how anyone can expect them to be their previously explosive selves at this stage of their careers. Cobb gives you a consistent 70% catch rate and 12 ypc, which is actually better than Hopkins 65% and 12 ypc the last couple years. Cobb’s production in 2020 & 21 is very similar to OBJ’s. Both a little over 800 yards total at around 12.5 ypc, but Beckham’s catch rate was around 53%. 
 
Yeah, two guys are much bigger names and are being paid accordingly, but aren’t offering much more on the field nowadays. 

 

9 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

Wasn't he the guy who was basically just saying it's a bit weird to want 31 year old OBJ or Hopkins while calling a 32 year old "ancient"?  I didn't see him compare their ability.  Just the hypocrisy in labeling Cobb "ancient".  

 

Maybe I'm wrong though and we're talking about two different people.

I don't know, you tell me.

[Lith]

8 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said:

Lith  - I'm pretty sure Mims started playing special teams last season.

3 snaps.

Snap Counts

					Games		Off.		Def.		ST
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
2020	23	NYJ	WR	11	9	8	439	82%	0	0%	0	0%
2021	24	NYJ	WR	11	11	3	279	40%	0	0%	0	0%
2022	25	NYJ	WR	11	10	4	270	42%	0	0%	3	1%
Career							988		0		3

[#27TheDominator]

7 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said:

Lith  - I'm pretty sure Mims started playing special teams last season.

He played 3 special teams snaps. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, #27TheDominator said:

He played 3 special teams snaps. 

they were really good reps though.

[slats]

8 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

and on the other side of the coin you have @slats arguing that Cobb is pretty much the same, if not better, than DeAndre Hopkins.

That’s an accurate portrayal, lol. 
 
I’ve got Cobb no better than the #5 WR on this team for what I expect signed for something down around the league minimum. Maybe $2M/year, no more than that. 
 
Hopkins, meanwhile, is under contract for a $19M salary this season. And you -I presume- would’ve wanted to trade a draft pick for the pleasure of paying that? I get that he’s been a better player than Cobb for his entire career, but he’s on a serious downside right now. I’d rather pay <$2M for Cobb’s 400 yards than $19M and a draft pick for Hopkins’ 700. Seems like a prudent business move to me. 

[CTJetsFan]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

3 snaps.

Snap Counts

					Games		Off.		Def.		ST
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
Career							988		0		3
2020	23	NYJ	WR	11	9	8	439	82%	0	0%	0	0%
2021	24	NYJ	WR	11	11	3	279	40%	0	0%	0	0%
2022	25	NYJ	WR	11	10	4	270	42%	0	0%	3	1%

I thought it was more than that. My bad

[bonkertons]

6 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

I don't know, you tell me.

I mean.....are those numbers wrong?  Is he lying?  I was expecting to see "Cobb >>>> Hopkins AINEC LOL".  

 

There are like dozens of examples of people whining on the opposite end of the spectrum in this thread, and you focused on that one sentence from one guy as a way to say "well both sides are going to extremes".  C'mon man.  

[jgb]

If Aaron Rodgers wanted us to sign his emotional support cave bat to a vet minimum contract, I’d do it.

The same people who are saying we didn’t do enough to be “all in” are complaining that we are giving Rodgers what he wants.

[Barry McCockinner]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

That’s an accurate portrayal, lol. 
 
I’ve got Cobb no better than the #5 WR on this team for what I expect signed for something down around the league minimum. Maybe $2M/year, no more than that. 
 
Hopkins, meanwhile, is under contract for a $19M salary this season. And you -I presume- would’ve wanted to trade a draft pick for the pleasure of paying that? I get that he’s been a better player than Cobb for his entire career, but he’s on a serious downside right now. I’d rather pay <$2M for Cobb’s 400 yards than $19M and a draft pick for Hopkins’ 700. Seems like a prudent business move to me. 

[Green Ghost]

1 hour ago, DoubleDown said:

I don't see the big issue with signing Cobb to be a camp body and mentor in camp.  He's knows the offense, he has played with Rodgers and under Hackett for years, and he could be an asset in bringing the younger players up to speed.

I truly hope that's what this signing is all about.  I hope he got vet minimum or close to it.  Ideally, some of the younger guys step up and render Cobb expendable prior to the season starting.

Get a load of this guy calling our 3rd down specialist a camp body….

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Mike Evans?

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Mike Evans?

you'll have to ask slats if it's a prudent business move.