Cimini: Jets sense frustration from Aaron Rodgers, offense after spotty practice

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Rodgers is a blessing on and off the field. Him being blunt like this is exactly what they need. Call these chumps out. 

The coaches need to tighten things up. 

[GangGreened]

OT is gonna be an issue 

[IndianaJet]

Good.  He should be frustrated if not pissed off.

He was brought in here for his leadership, just as much as his arm.

It is possible to have a great rapport with your teammates and coaches and still be able to criticize and be angry at those who are making mistakes.  The two are not mutually exclusive.

The idea that any player is frustrated at the performance level of the team, automatically means there is disharmony and internal conflict is a joke...but that's what these guys (the media) are waiting to sell.

 

[Morrissey]

9 hours ago, Hal said:

One day of practice. 
 

Obviously they will step up efforts to fix the OLine.  They need to let Rodgers cook.  

maybe fixing the OL should have been a priority in the offseason. Did we need ANOTHER edge rusher?

[Joe W. Namath]

When you have human turnstiles like Turner and Mitchell in there, frustration will be high.  We have one month to figure this out.  Get turner and Mitchell out of there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Biggs]

11 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

Good.  He should be frustrated if not pissed off.

He was brought in here for his leadership, just as much as his arm.

It is possible to have a great rapport with your teammates and coaches and still be able to criticize and be angry at those who are making mistakes.  The two are not mutually exclusive.

The idea that any player is frustrated at the performance level of the team, automatically means there is disharmony and internal conflict is a joke...but that's what these guys (the media) are waiting to sell.

 

Ignore the fact that the Jets last year turned on each other and the coaching staff as soon as there was a little adversity.  A lot of the same players are in that locker room and so is the Head Coach who allowed it and in some ways fostered it with his own moves. 

The Jets HC had 2 years that were about as good as Zach Wilson was at QB. 

Rodgers better be the glue because there's no indication that the HC is the glue.  

[Trotter]

22 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Ignore the fact that the Jets last year turned on each other and the coaching staff as soon as there was a little adversity.  A lot of the same players are in that locker room and so is the Head Coach who allowed it and in some ways fostered it with his own moves. 

The Jets HC had 2 years that were about as good as Zach Wilson was at QB. 

Rodgers better be the glue because there's no indication that the HC is the glue.  

Yeah but the hc tells a great story about crows and eagles

[bitonti]

So this is really a problem with Aaron Rodgers in general 

He's paid like the best QB in the league, yet he also needs great weapons and a fantastic line to function 

Guess what a qb making 38 mil per year shouldn't also need everything around him to be perfect. 

Rodgers should be the rising tide that lifts all boats but he's just not that great anymore. Now he's old and needs almost unrealistic amount of Pass protection 

Hence we will blame the line, which does in fact suck. But don't forget the highest paid player in franchise history should be able to play behind any line with any receiver and make the offense look great. The best QB in football should have some elusiveness 

That's what 38 mil per season is supposed to buy 

Instead the Jets are trying to make a late stage Peyton Manning style run with a garbage line. 

[Biggs]

7 minutes ago, Trotter said:

Yeah but the hc tells a great story about crows and eagles

What he didn't tell them is the Crows win against the eagles and hawks all the time.  I've seen crows bring hawks down before they got high enough to break the crows.   It's not a winning strategy.  

[Biggs]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

So this is really a problem with Aaron Rodgers in general 

He's paid like the best QB in the league, yet he also needs great weapons and a fantastic line to function 

Guess what a qb making 38 mil per year shouldn't also need everything around him to be perfect. 

Rodgers should be the rising tide that lifts all boats but he's just not that great anymore. Now he's old and needs almost unrealistic amount of Pass protection 

Hence we will blame the line, which does in fact suck. But don't forget the highest paid player in franchise history should be able to play behind any line with any receiver and make the offense look great. The best QB in football should have some elusiveness 

That's what 38 mil per season is supposed to buy 

Instead the Jets are trying to make a late stage Peyton Manning style run with a garbage line. 

We got nothing at Tackle a bum at RG and a mediocre or rookie center.  He needs a competent OL to operate.   Rodgers isn't the problem on this team.  He's the best shot at being the solution to a team that was in complete disaray when the season ended last year.  

[bitonti]

Just now, Biggs said:

We got nothing at Tackle a bum at RG and a mediocre or rookie center.  He needs a competent OL to operate.   Rodgers isn't the problem on this team.  He's the best shot at being the solution to a team that was in complete disaray when the season ended last year.  

He isn't the problem but he's overpaid based on what he needs around him to succeed 

That's the whole point of paying a guy almost 40x vet min he's supposed to elevate the other players 

Maybe it was the best shot but it was always dumb to try and turn a 7 win team into a super bowl winner using only money 

They never built an offensive line pipeline and here we are 

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

He isn't the problem but he's overpaid based on what he needs around him to succeed 

That's the whole point of paying a guy almost 40x vet min he's supposed to elevate the other players 

Maybe it was the best shot but it was always dumb to try and turn a 7 win team into a super bowl winner using only money 

They never built an offensive line pipeline and here we are 

His cap hit is under 9 million this year and just over 17 million next year.   There's a huge ballon due in 25.  Doesn't seem like he's remotely an issue in cost structure until 25.  

[Bowles Movement]

3 hours ago, Biggs said:

No gas all windmill.  

Im sorry but I just don't get the negativity.

We have a good team and a great QB.  

We have more than 4 weeks till our first game.    Practice is for getting better and correcting mistakes.   I watched the video snippets and there were a lot of good things happening despite not having several key starters playing.  
 

Why are so many “ fans” determined to see everything in the worst possible light?   

I remember a doctor in NY wearing a button that said  “The more you complain, the longer God lets you live”.    Some of you seem to be shooting for immortality.

[Bowles Movement]

51 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

When you have human turnstiles like Turner and Mitchell in there, frustration will be high.  We have one month to figure this out.  Get turner and Mitchell out of there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or give them playing time and coaching so they get better?

[bitonti]

7 minutes ago, Biggs said:

His cap hit is under 9 million this year and just over 17 million next year.   There's a huge ballon due in 25.  Doesn't seem like he's remotely an issue in cost structure until 25.  

Yeah dude it's a terrible non voidable 7 year deal

It's not about the cap hit it's the cash spend on a guy who apparently needs everything around him amazing to function 

It's 2023 quarterbacks are supposed to have some escape. Mahomes, Jalen hurts are the ideal.

there are teams running the qb sneak eagles style pushing the qb 2 yards but Rodgers is like a fragile old man they can't rely on him to sneak escape or run 

He's a player from a different era of football and even if the line was better it's just not played like that anymore. 

[FidelioJet]

14 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Maybe it was the best shot but it was always dumb to try and turn a 7 win team into a super bowl winner using only money 

The point here is - I don't think Joe Douglas was really trying to do that.

I think he understands the limitation of his ability to turn that 7 win team into championships caliber - hence he hasn't gone all the way in.

Had he - we would have 2 starting caliber T's (not none) a legitimate #2 WR (After Wilson there's just no one that can create on his own) and a RB to pick up the slack until/if Hall is ready.

Right now, this is a team with a loaded defense and an aging HOF QB with one good WR and no tackles - in a league where Offense is pretty much the only thing that matters.

[Bowles Movement]

18 minutes ago, bitonti said:

So this is really a problem with Aaron Rodgers in general 

He's paid like the best QB in the league, yet he also needs great weapons and a fantastic line to function 

Guess what a qb making 38 mil per year shouldn't also need everything around him to be perfect. 

Rodgers should be the rising tide that lifts all boats but he's just not that great anymore. Now he's old and needs almost unrealistic amount of Pass protection 

Hence we will blame the line, which does in fact suck. But don't forget the highest paid player in franchise history should be able to play behind any line with any receiver and make the offense look great. The best QB in football should have some elusiveness 

That's what 38 mil per season is supposed to buy 

Instead the Jets are trying to make a late stage Peyton Manning style run with a garbage line. 

1   He took a pay cut and isnt paid like the best QB in the league

2  No QB can win without time a playmakers.  Did you miss KC losing to Tampa in the Super Bowl when Mahomes, who is paid like the best QB in the league had no time to throw?  

3 The O line will be a concern until they show it isnt but Brown and Becton are likely starters and havent really played yet.   Maybe wait and see how they do before all “the sky is falling” rhetoric ?

[bitonti]

12 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

1   He took a pay cut and isnt paid like the best QB in the league

2  No QB can win without time a playmakers.  Did you miss KC losing to Tampa in the Super Bowl when Mahomes, who is paid like the best QB in the league had no time to throw?  

3 The O line will be a concern until they show it isnt but Brown and Becton are likely starters and havent really played yet.   Maybe wait and see how they do before all “the sky is falling” rhetoric ?

Even with the pay cut he is being paid a huge amount and is the most expensive Jet in franchise history 

Point 2 is interesting, but it happened after Eric fisher goes down and LDT opted to be a doctor. They did not plan for the line to be that bad 

So where in the world is Carmen sandiego I mean Duane Brown? 

 

[bitonti]

24 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

The point here is - I don't think Joe Douglas was really trying to do that.

I think he understands the limitation of his ability to turn that 7 win team into championships caliber - hence he hasn't gone all the way in

Joe Douglas is in year 5 of a 6 year deal and he's won 20 games 

He's trying to keep his job and a playoff birth might just get it done. 

[Sperm Edwards]

31 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Yeah dude it's a terrible non voidable 7 year deal

It's not about the cap hit it's the cash spend on a guy who apparently needs everything around him amazing to function 

It's 2023 quarterbacks are supposed to have some escape. Mahomes, Jalen hurts are the ideal.

there are teams running the qb sneak eagles style pushing the qb 2 yards but Rodgers is like a fragile old man they can't rely on him to sneak escape or run 

He's a player from a different era of football and even if the line was better it's just not played like that anymore. 

Yes, Jalen Hurts has been putting on a clinic of playing behind OL backups alongside some skill position backups. 

He's been taking teams to the Super Bowl without his 1st (or 2nd) string LT, breaking in a still-raw RT, without his WR1 and without his RB1. That has totally been the Jalen Hurts story.

Great call there. 🙄

[Bowles Movement]

9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Even with the pay cut he is being paid a huge amount and is the most expensive Jet in franchise history 

Point 2 is interesting, but it happened after Eric fisher goes down and LDT opted to be a doctor. They did not plan for the line to be that bad 

So where in the world is Carmen sandiego I mean Duane Brown? 

 

Nice pivot.  Now he is the most expensive QB in Jet history.  BFD.  Williams it the most expensive DT in Jet history by a wide margin-Is he better than Klecko or Gastineau?  Times change and prices typically increase.

If you like point 2, Brady also comes to mind- when his O line didn't protect him, he was one and done in the playoffs.  No one plans for the line to be bad.  Sometimes it just happens.  I'm sure the Jets didn't sign Pro Bowl guard Tomlinson thinking he was going to be sh*t last year, but nobody was critical of the signing when they got him.

As far as Brown, the Jets seem to have a plan and timetable, just as they do for Breece Hall. The lack of panic from the coaches and front office tells me that they are confident in it.   Ill be critical of it if it doesn't work out, but right now I have faith that they know what they need to do to get it done. 

 

[Biggs]

48 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

Im sorry but I just don't get the negativity.

We have a good team and a great QB.  

We have more than 4 weeks till our first game.    Practice is for getting better and correcting mistakes.   I watched the video snippets and there were a lot of good things happening despite not having several key starters playing.  
 

Why are so many “ fans” determined to see everything in the worst possible light?   

I remember a doctor in NY wearing a button that said  “The more you complain, the longer God lets you live”.    Some of you seem to be shooting for immortality.

I think the team has a ton of potential.  The HC is a huge question mark.  The HC is real important.   Why are so many fans invested in BS.  I will enjoy the games no matter the outcome.  I'm a very engaged fan and enjoy football.  

 

[Bowles Movement]

Just now, Biggs said:

I think the team has a ton of potential.  The HC is a huge question mark.  The HC is real important. 

The head coach is supposed to be the CEO of the team.  He has put together a good staff and typically the Jets come out ready to play. The defense improved dramatically from year one to year two.

We haven't seen all the clock management issues and delay of game penalties that we saw under Bowles and Gase.  

Players seem to want to come here and play for him now.

What is the "huge question mark"?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

I sense "frustration" from Cimini.

He can't stand that the Jets don't suck any more.

Can't believe he survived the ESPN purge.  He brings nothing to the table as a writer or "journalist".

Dude has made his living off cheap opinion-based "reporting" and Jets schadenfreude.

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, Bowles Movement said:

The head coach is supposed to be the CEO of the team.  He has put together a good staff and typically the Jets come out ready to play. The defense improved dramatically from year one to year two.

We haven't seen all the clock management issues and delay of game penalties that we saw under Bowles and Gase.  

Players seem to want to come here and play for him now.

What is the "huge question mark"?

The team came apart at the seems last year.  The out and out quit.  It was an embarrassment what happened.  They went 1 and 7 after the bye and turned on the QB and OC.  The CEO should have been canned.  He got a complete reset.  

[freestater]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

So this is really a problem with Aaron Rodgers in general 

He's paid like the best QB in the league, yet he also needs great weapons and a fantastic line to function 

Guess what a qb making 38 mil per year shouldn't also need everything around him to be perfect. 

Rodgers should be the rising tide that lifts all boats but he's just not that great anymore. Now he's old and needs almost unrealistic amount of Pass protection 

Hence we will blame the line, which does in fact suck. But don't forget the highest paid player in franchise history should be able to play behind any line with any receiver and make the offense look great. The best QB in football should have some elusiveness 

That's what 38 mil per season is supposed to buy 

Instead the Jets are trying to make a late stage Peyton Manning style run with a garbage line. 

[Bowles Movement]

Just now, Biggs said:

The team came apart at the seems last year.  The out and out quit.  It was an embarrassment what happened.  They went 1 and 7 after the bye and turned on the QB and OC.  The CEO should have been canned.  He got a complete reset.  

Lets agree to disagree.  IMO opinion they didnt quit.  They lost a bunch of games but there were no blow outs and they were in every game to the end.  We almost beat Buffalo in Buffalo and should have beat Minn in Minnesota if Berrios catches the ball in the end zone.  Lost to NE in NE 10-3 on a punt  return.   That far from quitting in my opinion.  I think the losing streak had more to do with injuries and Wilson losing his mojo than anything else.  The offense imploded.  The defense showed up every week

[Ken Schroy]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

So this is really a problem with Aaron Rodgers in general 

He's paid like the best QB in the league, yet he also needs great weapons and a fantastic line to function 

Guess what a qb making 38 mil per year shouldn't also need everything around him to be perfect. 

Rodgers should be the rising tide that lifts all boats but he's just not that great anymore. Now he's old and needs almost unrealistic amount of Pass protection 

Hence we will blame the line, which does in fact suck. But don't forget the highest paid player in franchise history should be able to play behind any line with any receiver and make the offense look great. The best QB in football should have some elusiveness 

That's what 38 mil per season is supposed to buy 

Instead the Jets are trying to make a late stage Peyton Manning style run with a garbage line. 

Jeez, you can't make stuff like this up. Leave it to a Jet fans to contradict himself in 1 post.

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, Bowles Movement said:

Lets agree to disagree.  IMO opinion they didnt quit.  They lost a bunch of games but there were no blow outs and they were in every game to the end.  We almost beat Buffalo in Buffalo and should have beat Minn in Minnesota if Berrios catches the ball in the end zone.  Lost to NE in NE 10-3 on a punt  return.   That far from quitting in my opinion.  I think the losing streak had more to do with injuries and Wilson losing his mojo than anything else.  The offense imploded.  The defense showed up every week

Every NFL team is in most of their games unless they are intentionally tanking.

[FidelioJet]

12 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

beat Minn in Minnesota if Berrios catches the ball in the end zone

It was a bad throw. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

It was a bad throw. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Aaron Rodgers recently won back to back MVP's with Billy Turner starting at RT. So there's that.

[Bowles Movement]

21 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

It was a bad throw. 

Berrios said he should have caught it and it hit both his hands, but whatever.  It was slightly behind him if that makes you happy.

[jgb]

16 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Aaron Rodgers recently won back to back MVP's with Billy Turner starting at RT. So there's that.

OL is a convenient excuse when one starts from the premise that a failing QB is secretly good.

[Bowles Movement]

31 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Every NFL team is in most of their games unless they are intentionally tanking.

Really?  Were we tanking the first year when we averaged losing games by double digits? 

If they are in the game till the end, how does that fit with your narrative that they "quit"?  They quit in the last minute of the game????