Breakout game for JSN

[Integrity28]

37 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Another JSN thread???  Ill end this thread for you.  JSN is going to be a great one.  We blew the pick.  There is really no need to discuss this anymore.

Kiss of death.

[derp]

26 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Once Broderick Jones came off the board it was going to be cope city regardless for me. I wonder—ifthey didn’t have Rodgers—if JSN would have been the pick, but with Rodgers they knew it came with Lazard and Cobb so they went elsewhere. I remember Dane Brugler being very uninspired by the McDonald pick

The Jones pick would've been meh for a win now team too and it seems like they weren’t interested. Pre Rodgers injury they really should’ve just traded the pick to hang on to 2024 capital, the conditions on that pick were not great. Either way if they were planning to get weird with the pick (rumors Mayer was up there if not McDonald) they should’ve just moved down to recoup capital.

Hope they go offense early this year. Tackle, receiver. After the rumors they were interested in Gibbs I wouldn’t mind if they look for another explosive back outside the first to pair with Hall. Always have a home run hitter on the field. I was really interested in Achane last year. Think you get an outsized impact for the cost at that position. 

[TuscanyTile2]

56 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Another JSN thread???  Ill end this thread for you.  JSN is going to be a great one.  We blew the pick.  There is really no need to discuss this anymore.

What have you done, JD?!  What have you done?

[TuscanyTile2]

Game Show Network had 4 receptions for 63 yards and a TD?!  I expect there to be a full segment about this on tomorrow's installment of "Cold Pizza" (if that show still exists).

[Warfish]

52 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Once Broderick Jones came off the board it was going to be cope city regardless for me. I wonder—ifthey didn’t have Rodgers—if JSN would have been the pick, but with Rodgers they knew it came with Lazard and Cobb so they went elsewhere. I remember Dane Brugler being very uninspired by the McDonald pick

It's funny how simple it was for me:

I thought we had plenty of Defensive line talent for both short and medium term, to the point where we have threads now talking about not having enough spots/money to resign Huff.

I didn't think we had enough talent, for Rodgers or anyone else, at WR with Davis, Lazard, Hardman & Cobb the guys at #2 thru #5 WR.

I heard G. Wilson, a guy I desperately wanted and was so happy to get, say he thought JSN was better at playing WR than he was.  Or Olave was.

And I hoped, for once, we'd focus first and foremost on offense and not defense. I thought we might have a chance to built a #1/#2 punch for the next several years, and that maybe Lazard could the #3 to that group. 

But it didn't happen, we went D yet again in our 1st pick, something like 20 of the last 25 first picks it seems (too lazy to go relook at the actual ratio).  We ignored WR, and now half the forum thinks we're desperate for one.  JD apparently didn't see Davis retirement coming.  Or Hardman sucking.  But hey, we got two UDFA's and Jets Fans looooooove UDFA WR's I guess.

Is what it is.  I hope McDonald can show us something, hopefully soon.  I just really would have liked another WR I believe will be a good pro in this league.  And WR is likely a big need now in the 2024 offseason and/or draft.

[TuscanyTile2]

53 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Once Broderick Jones came off the board it was going to be cope city regardless for me. I wonder—ifthey didn’t have Rodgers—if JSN would have been the pick, but with Rodgers they knew it came with Lazard and Cobb so they went elsewhere. I remember Dane Brugler being very uninspired by the McDonald pick

Same here.  And I think we were all worried once we fell behind the Pats in the draft that it would F us over somehow (which, of course, it did).  I still find it very difficult to believe that JD couldn't have figured a way around that 1st round pick swap.  And we saw in that draft show that he knew exactly what was about to happen when the Pats traded the pick.  

[Doggin94it]

5 hours ago, AFJF said:

Should've been the Jets pick.

A lot of people wrote him off after six games despite him consistently getting open.  Today he's getting targets and he's got 4 for 62 and a TD half way through the second quarter.  Should easily top 100 yards and wouldn't be surprised if he finds the end zone again.

 

4/7 for 63 yards and a TD. What a game. True breakout. Imagine, if he did that every week he'd finish with almost 70 receptions and 17 TDs.

[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, AFJF said:

Exactly what every "win now" team needs.  Long-term projects in the first round.

As opposed to a WR who is the type every team has, who isn’t elite at any part of the game who we should have taken because he has one decent game on his resume.  
Breakout, lol

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Where were you when JSN had 4 receptions for 63 yards and a TD? 

[TuscanyTile2]

47 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Where were you when JSN had 4 receptions for 63 yards and a TD? 

A 30 for 30 is in the works!

[neckdemon]

8 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

The jets need a big physical WR to play with Wilson. Someone who is dangerous in the red zone. Not JSN.

if the bengals don't franshise higgins i'd be all over that if i were douglas

[Bobby816]

13 hours ago, bicketybam said:

Been waiting a while for this one, huh?

Think of how long we have to wait for a McDonald one. If we ever get to.

[JiFtheOracle]

I just saw the highlights from this breakout game, there were 4, and let me tell you that route he gets his first TD.  Stellar.  I'm not sure how you recognize this type of talent but on this particular play, the coaching staff asked him to run fast, in a straight line, while QB Geno Smith faked like he was going to hand off the ball to the RB and then, when he looked up he noticed, nobody was covering this JSN who ran straight and fast, so he threw him the ball and when it arrived, there was nobody around for miles and this unbelievably talented player did something I've never seen before, he turned around and caught the Football out of the air and scored a TD.  It was truly, amazing.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

I just saw the highlights from this breakout game, there were 4, and let me tell you that route he gets his first TD.  Stellar.  I'm not sure how you recognize this type of talent but on this particular play, the coaching staff asked him to run fast, in a straight line, while QB Geno Smith faked like he was going to hand off the ball to the RB and then, when he looked up he noticed, nobody was covering this JSN who ran straight and fast, so he threw him the ball and when it arrived, there was nobody around for miles and this unbelievably talented player did something I've never seen before, he turned around and caught the Football out of the air and scored a TD.  It was truly, amazing.

3 names and 4 receptions.  Simply incredible!

[TuscanyTile2]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401437911

Does anyone else remember Jeff Smith's breakout game last year against the Lions?

[jbt]

Corey Davis retiring changed our need at WR.  if he did that before the draft maybe they take JSN.

but if we don't resign Huff we would be thin at pass rusher next year and I think that was part of the thinking

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

I just saw the highlights from this breakout game, there were 4, and let me tell you that route he gets his first TD.  Stellar.  I'm not sure how you recognize this type of talent but on this particular play, the coaching staff asked him to run fast, in a straight line, while QB Geno Smith faked like he was going to hand off the ball to the RB and then, when he looked up he noticed, nobody was covering this JSN who ran straight and fast, so he threw him the ball and when it arrived, there was nobody around for miles and this unbelievably talented player did something I've never seen before, he turned around and caught the Football out of the air and scored a TD.  It was truly, amazing.

I can appreciate that, as a Jets fan, this kind of play might seem novel. 🧌

[Scott Dierking]

Scream over not taking Puca Ncua before the 5th round. Not JSN as an over rate in the first.

[#27TheDominator]

41 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401437911

Does anyone else remember Jeff Smith's breakout game last year against the Lions?

I do! I do!

[T0mShane]

Keeping my fingers crossed for the Will McDonald breakout game next Sunday (one TFL in the first quarter, then explodes into a fine pink mist, never to be seen again)

[Scott Dierking]

36 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I can appreciate that, as a Jets fan, this kind of play might seem novel. 🧌

Articulate this for me in "GM speak": What was it about JSN's Junior season that made him, in your estimation as a GM, a top half of the first round draft pick in April of 2023.

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Keeping my fingers crossed for the Will McDonald breakout game next Sunday (one TFL in the first quarter, then explodes into a fine pink mist, never to be seen again)

The bar is set low here, as you intimate. Getting grass stains on his pants may be a low enough bar.

[Warfish]

12 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Articulate this for me in "GM speak": What was it about JSN's Junior season that made him, in your estimation as a GM, a top half of the first round draft pick in April of 2023.

I'm not a GM.  If you want a GM-speak scouting report, there were several available online at the time, I am sure you can find one.

He was the best WR in the class, he was a WR who played a position we (IMO) needed (slot/#2 WR) after E. Moore was traded away, WR was IMO a serious need for our offense, he was repped by G. Wilson and had chemistry/a relationship with him already, and he was simply a better WR prospect than anyone else on our roster not named Wilson.  And I did not and do not believe reaching for an edge because he was "bendy", the word used repeatedly by fans here on draft day, was warranted given the discrepancy between the Jets Offense (one of the consistently worst-in-league for years now) and our Defense (top 5 in 2022 and full of first rounders).

If you're looking for a deeper analysis, I have none to give.  I wanted JSN for the same reasons I led the charge on this forum wanting G. Wilson and Hall at RB the year before, and the criticism I got (and still get) for that desire was quite similar to the criticism (now forgotten as everyone got on the bandwagon) wanting Wilson and Hall (especially Hall, who almost no one here wanted because "RB is devalued").  I believe in winning via offense, and am tired of bottom-of-league Jets Offenses.

The fact McDonald cannot get on the field to contribute says alot IMO about him being a need or a want for this team.  He may be something in future years, and I hope he is, but I was all-in on weapons for Rodgers this year, JSN would have been that far better than Davis (gone), Lazard (a better blocker than ball catcher) or Hardman (gone) or Cobb (ancient), in my view.

I'd be pretty excited about WR right now if our unit was Wilson/JSN/Lazard/Gipson/Brownlee personally.  Maybe others wouldn't, to each their own.

[#27TheDominator]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Keeping my fingers crossed for the Will McDonald breakout game next Sunday (one TFL in the first quarter, then explodes into a fine pink mist, never to be seen again)

We are Jets!  Our mist is green!

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I'm not a GM.  If you want a GM-speak scouting report, there were several available online at the time, I am sure you can find one.

He was the best WR in the class, he was a WR who played a position we (IMO) needed (slot/#2 WR) after E. Moore was traded away, WR was IMO a serious need for our offense, he was repped by G. Wilson and had chemistry/a relationship with him already, and he was simply a better WR prospect than anyone else on our roster not named Wilson.  And I did not and do not believe reaching for an edge because he was "bendy", the word used repeatedly by fans here on draft day, was warranted given the discrepancy between the Jets Offense (one of the consistently worst-in-league for years now) and our Defense (top 5 in 2022 and full of first rounders).

If you're looking for a deeper analysis, I have none to give.  I wanted JSN for the same reasons I led the charge on this forum wanting G. Wilson and Hall at RB the year before, and the criticism I got (and still get) for that desire was quite similar to the criticism (now forgotten as everyone got on the bandwagon) wanting Wilson and Hall (especially Hall, who almost no one here wanted because "RB is devalued").  I believe in winning via offense.

The fact McDonald cannot get on the field to contribute says alot IMO about him being a need or a want for this team.  He may be something in future years, and I hope he is, but I was all-in on weapons for Rodgers this year, JSN would have been that far better than Davis (gone), Lazard (a better blocker than ball catcher) or Hardman (gone), in my view.

I'd be pretty excited about WR right now if our unit was Wilson/JSN/Lazard/Gipson/Brownlee personally.  Maybe others wouldn't, to each their own.

He was far from the consensus best WR in the class.  Gun to my head I'd probably have taken Flowers, but he is a shrimp for that early.  I'm have much preferred Kincaid or Jayden Reed later. I don't even think JSN is top 20 in rookie receiving.  The idea he was the "right pick"  seems to be taking a point and stretching it pretty thin.

[dbatesman]

Just now, #27TheDominator said:

The idea he was the "right pick"  seems to be taking a point and stretching it pretty thin.

90% of the posts in this thread have been sitting in the Drafts folder for 6 weeks with their authors getting blue balls all the while

[Stark]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401437911

Does anyone else remember Jeff Smith's breakout game last year against the Lions?

Oh look a game not QB’d by Zach and look 300+ yds and 2 Rec TDs

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

90% of the posts in this thread have been sitting in the Drafts folder for 6 weeks with their authors getting blue balls all the while

Oh yeah?  That wasn't even Jeff Smith's best game.  He was 7/81 yards against the Broncos in 2020!

[Bruce Harper]

I guess I was supposed to know who the hell JSN is.

[Jetsfan80]

5 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Where were you when JSN had 4 receptions for 63 yards and a TD? 

 

4 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

A 30 for 30 is in the works!

 

3 hours ago, JiF said:

I just saw the highlights from this breakout game, there were 4, and let me tell you that route he gets his first TD.  Stellar.  I'm not sure how you recognize this type of talent but on this particular play, the coaching staff asked him to run fast, in a straight line, while QB Geno Smith faked like he was going to hand off the ball to the RB and then, when he looked up he noticed, nobody was covering this JSN who ran straight and fast, so he threw him the ball and when it arrived, there was nobody around for miles and this unbelievably talented player did something I've never seen before, he turned around and caught the Football out of the air and scored a TD.  It was truly, amazing.

 

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

3 names and 4 receptions.  Simply incredible!

 

@AFJF maybe invite JSN on the podcast?

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

I guess I was supposed to know who the hell JSN is.

Just throw on SportsCenter, Fox Sports (any region) or Bally Sports they're covering his receiving day at the top of every hour

[Scott Dierking]

32 minutes ago, Warfish said:

 

If you're looking for a deeper analysis, I have none to give. 

And that is fair. And it is all that any of us have here.

JSN was certainly not a "priority take" for me at that spot because his Junior year, he really did not have any stats. And that was because he had a 4 month hamstring injury. I am no doctor, but a 4 month hamstring seems unusual. Rumor is, some doctors (or trainers) that were associated with OSU agreed with that sentiment. 

For me, as a fan, football players "play". When football players show a proclivity to not want to "play", that throws red flags for me as that fan that substitutes as an arm chair GM. JSN gave us one season of film to digest. Then decided that film was good for what he truly wanted. His friend on the team does not register to me as a reference. It is kind of having your boss ask you if your sister would be a good hire. A little tainted.

For me as that fan, pounding the table for JSN was as risky a move as there was at 15.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

And that is fair. And it is all that any of us have here.

JSN was certainly not a "priority take" for me at that spot because his Junior year, he really did not have any stats. And that was because he had a 4 month ankle sprain. I am no doctor, but a 4 month ankle sprain seems unusual. Rumor is, some doctors (or trainers) that were associated with OSU agreed with that sentiment. 

For me, as a fan, football players "play". When football players show a proclivity to not want to "play", that throws red flags for me as that fan that substitutes as an arm chair GM. JSN gave us one season of film to digest. Then decided that film was good for what he truly wanted. His friend on the team does not register to me as a reference. It is kind of having your boss ask you if your sister would be a good hire. A little tainted.

For me as that fan, pounding the table for JSN was as risky a move as there was at 15.

I mean I'm sure G Wilson would vouch for Olave and he's over there in New Orleans loafing ever other play, quitting on routes. So can't exactly count on your boys as actual recruiting. 

JSN woulda been cool I guess, especially since Corey Davis retired. But IMO, pass rushers are harder to come by, and I have no problem creating a pipeline of talent at that position. 

WR's are also starting to become pretty consistent in the draft every year, with a solid group each year. 2024 should be no different. 

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

I mean I'm sure G Wilson would vouch for Olave and he's over there in New Orleans loafing ever other play, quitting on routes. So can't exactly count on your boys as actual recruiting. 

JSN woulda been cool I guess, especially since Corey Davis retired. But IMO, pass rushers are harder to come by, and I have no problem creating a pipeline of talent at that position. 

WR's are also starting to become pretty consistent in the draft every year, with a solid group each year. 2024 should be no different. 

No kidding on the Olave thing. I watched that game on Monday night and that kid seems to check out on half his routes. Damn WR's are the most flighty position in the game.

[Bruce Harper]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Just throw on SportsCenter, Fox Sports (any region) or Bally Sports they're covering his receiving day at the top of every hour

I knew of him at the time of the draft but root for the Jets and don't always remember the initials of rookies who have done very little in the pros.  I mean no disrespect but, in general, I like thread titles that don't require me to do research.