Beerfish Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 20th in 3rd down conversions. 27th in run defense 19th in interceptions 14th in forced fumbles 13th in sacks 'All World Elite' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ron Rico said: Or maybe you are trying to deflect away from something else that's been bothering you? Not trying to be a dick, here. All I'm saying, from my perspective, starting a thread attacking Ulbrich at this point of a disaster of a season is kind of a reach. Like, hey, look, a squirrel! This has nothing to do with ZW. But even if you think that way, look at the points I made and debate those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 https://www.ftnfantasy.com/nfl/tools/team-total-dvoa Still #3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: This has nothing to do with ZW. But even if you think that way, look at the points I made and debate those. Look, the team is undisciplined. That's on all the coaches. I'm not defending anyone, based on the record alone, they should all be sh*tcanned. But this is Woody World. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 The jets defense is good but it isn’t as good as this board thinks it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, Beerfish said: 20th in 3rd down conversions. 27th in run defense 19th in interceptions 14th in forced fumbles 13th in sacks 'All World Elite' I am not one of the people spouting that they are "All World Elite" but whose ass did you pull those stats out of? 27th in run D? Well, in yardage, but they are 32nd in attempts against which makes them 10th in ypc against. Egad! Top 10, how horrible! 19th in INTs and 13th in sacks? Sure, but that is with the 5th least passes attempted against. I mean I spend all day hearing about context in why the offense needs to (insert ridiculous attempt at competency here) at least do it for the D too. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: 20th in 3rd down conversions. 27th in run defense 19th in interceptions 14th in forced fumbles 13th in sacks 'All World Elite' *sigh* when are you going to stop using total yards in your arguments? They are meaningless. They have to be weighted by rushing or passing attempts. We’ve been over this!!!!!! “27th in run defense” is meaningless. The Jets are 27th in total rushing yards allowed . . . but that’s meaningless because they have defended the most rushing attempts in the league . . . Because they are always trailing . . . Because their offense can’t score. FYI, the Jets are 10th in the league in yards allowed per attempt (4.0). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, slimjasi said: *sigh* when are you going to stop using total yards in your arguments? They are meaningless. They have to be weighted by rushing or passing attempts. We’ve been over this!!!!!! “27th in run defense” is meaningless. The Jets are 27th in total rushing yards allowed . . . but that’s meaningless because they have defended the most rushing attempts in the league . . . Because they are always trailing . . . Because their offense can’t score. FYI, the Jets are 10th in the league in yards allowed per attempt (4.0). Are all of those stats especially 20th in 3rd downs and turnover rankings good? Elite? Blame the offense for not taking the ball away? Blaming the offense for how poor they are at getting off the field on 3rd down? They are that low on run defense because they have a bad run defense. Ny Jets, good solid defense, not uber great and certainly not elite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 43 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Are all of those stats especially 20th in 3rd downs and turnover rankings good? Elite? Blame the offense for not taking the ball away? Blaming the offense for how poor they are at getting off the field on 3rd down? They are that low on run defense because they have a bad run defense. Ny Jets, good solid defense, not uber great and certainly not elite Even stats like total sacks and total interceptions have the same basic problem that really need to be normalized by opposing pass attempts. listen, I think it depends on what you mean by “elite.” I certainly think they are one of better defenses in the league and probably a top 2 or 3 defense against the pass. Either way, I don’t see a lot of people saying things like the jets defense is “Uber great.” The main sentiment I see on here is that the defense is the strongest unit on the team and easily good enough to win with if we had a competent offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Even stats like total sacks and total interceptions have the same basic problem that really need to be normalized by opposing pass attempts. listen, I think it depends on what you mean by “elite.” I certainly think they are one of better defenses in the league and probably a top 2 or 3 defense against the pass. Either way, I don’t see a lot of people saying things like the jets defense is “Uber great.” The main sentiment I see on here is that the defense is the strongest unit on the team and easily good enough to win with if we had a competent offense We also need to normalize Jeff Ulbrich's impact on this defense. There's plenty of talent on the defensive side of the ball this year. Is the team playing above their level of talent or just at their level? If the latter, then all he's doing is what should be expected anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/18/2023 at 7:05 AM, rangerous said: In all fairness, when did the doltfins say tyreek was out? I heard it Sunday so the jets went through the week maybe thinking both waddle and tyreek would play. If this is the ca we, then it’s pretty bad intel by the jets. Maybe Saleh called up his buddy McDaniel and asked him about tyreek. The defense played well enough. It’s hard for any defense to play on a short field the whole game. The score could’ve been much worse if they weren’t playing well. That reminds me a little of the 2010 season. When the Jets played in New England on the road, I think Jim Leonhard got hurt right before the game or was unavailable. The Jets got torched that day and afterwards some of the defensive players commented that not having Leonhard out there at the last moment really hurt the D because they weren't prepared to play without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, maury77 said: That reminds me a little of the 2010 season. When the Jets played in New England on the road, I think Jim Leonhard got hurt right before the game or was unavailable. The Jets got torched that day and afterwards some of the defensive players commented that not having Leonhard out there at the last moment really hurt the D because they weren't prepared to play without him. Sort of like how the Dolphins didn't have Tyreek Hill out there and their OL was banged-up against our vaunted defense. Except that the Dolphins put up 30 on us and McDaniel took pity on his friend Saleh and didn't run up the score further. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Sort of like how the Dolphins didn't have Tyreek Hill out there and their OL was banged-up against our vaunted defense. Except that the Dolphins put up 30 on us and McDaniel took pity on his friend Saleh and didn't run up the score further. Even if they had stopped Waddle, so what All the Dolphins needed was 3 pts to ice the game because the “CEO head coach” is a glorified cheerleader devoid of any clue how to fix his offense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 9 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Even if they had stopped Waddle, so what All the Dolphins needed was 3 pts to ice the game because the “CEO head coach” is a glorified cheerleader devoid of any clue how to fix his offense The same thing you wrote would also apply if our defense gave up 70 points. I agree Saleh needs to go but I don't think Ulbrich deserves a free pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share Posted December 24, 2023 Great job by Ulbrich's defense taking down the 'Ders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Great job by Ulbrich's defense taking down the 'Ders! 2nd half adjustment was genius.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 Does Jeff Ulbrich get a pass again for today's performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Does Jeff Ulbrich get a pass again for today's performance? Yes, how can you blame him and the D when Canton-bound Jacoby Brisset is coming off the bench? Just lucky that Rivera didn't call to the bullpen earlier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Does Jeff Ulbrich get a pass again for today's performance? It’s Ensalada’s fault He’s the head coach I bet he’d never watched a snap of Jacoby Brissett in his life so he had no clue what he could or couldn’t do Preparing for contingency situations in the context of your job isn’t as fun as golf with Beningo or running the stadium steps for the cameras 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 The Great Jeff Ulbrich putting on a clinic against the Browns on TNF!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 This defense isn’t just overrated it absolutely sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: The Great Jeff Ulbrich putting on a clinic against the Browns on TNF!!! At least there goes the worry we’d lose him because someone else might make him their HC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Adoni Beast said: This defense isn’t just overrated it absolutely sucks. Our defense quit tonight faster than @Joe W. Namath did as captain of Jet Nation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Adoni Beast said: This defense isn’t just overrated it absolutely sucks. I can't see any defense going out there for the Jets and actually being motivated to play hard for Saleh. He's lost the locker room, and it shows when a strong unit puts on a crap performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 The Great Jeff Ulbrich's vaunted defense gave up 55 points combined in the 2nd half of the Commanders game and the 1st half of the Browns game. We also got smoked by the Dolphins without their MVP candidate WR, Tyreek Hill. And the Browns top WR, Amari Cooper, was out last night as well. To be fair, though, he was going up against superstars Joe Flacco and Jacoby Brissett. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 Coopers hurt, what are we going to do about Njoku? He is the only real threat now. Oh I think our 21.5 million dollar cap hit ILB Mosley can handle him don't you worry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 "They don't treat stars differently. They kind of just operate like every week is the same. 'Our system is our system'. That's almost arrogant to the point where I have significant questions next year..." -Connor Rogers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 39 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: "They don't treat stars differently. They kind of just operate like every week is the same. 'Our system is our system'. That's almost arrogant to the point where I have significant questions next year..." -Connor Rogers The only time Saleh gets mad is at the refs. For calling penalties. When they’re stupid penalties he pats the guy on the back and says it’s ok. It’s not ok. Here in lies the problem. Nobody on the team is being held accountable by him, ever. And when that happens it snowballs into an avalanche of undisciplined play, like we see week after week. the guy is not very smart. No wonder why he fits in well here and woody loves him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 6:56 PM, #27TheDominator said: Look, Max said to be nice, so I'm not going to say what I am thinking. How do you claim that I "missed" something I directly commented on? How do you repeat it without addressing my comment? Ulbrich does get a free pass. Do you know why? He deserves one. The Jets have given up 30 points four times this season. In three of those games they turned the ball over 4 times. In three of those games the offense did not top 160 yards. Coincidence? I think not. Does Ulbrich still get/deserve a free pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsruinedmylifeandhealth Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 11 hours ago, Hex said: I can't see any defense going out there for the Jets and actually being motivated to play hard for Saleh. He's lost the locker room, and it shows when a strong unit puts on a crap performance. AGAIN he lost the locker room again. Last season they totally tanked and lost every game down the stretch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, jetsruinedmylifeandhealth said: AGAIN he lost the locker room again. Last season they totally tanked and lost every game down the stretch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 In week 17, the Jets were finally "considering" letting Sauce travel with the opponent's top WR. https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/jets-sauce-gardner-amari-cooper-browns-o4y1zpg6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 Has anyone noticed that The Great Jeff Ulbrich hasn't been mentioned in any of the HC rumors? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-head-coach-and-general-manager-tracker-rumors-reports-and-official-moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Having a historically bad offense has a massive and negative impact on the defense. Anyone who disagrees please let me know, I’ll update my ignore list lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMetsRangers Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Yes Ulbrich is no Jim Swartz and the #1 defense........;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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