Jayden Daniels declares for draft

[Rich Thornburgh]

19 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

There's also a decent chance he ends up being the best QB in this class.

Recommend we stop listening to Chris Simms

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Recommend we stop listening to Chris Simms

I have no idea what Chris Simms' take on Jayden Daniels is...just going off of my own amateur "scouting" 

[Rich Thornburgh]

4 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

I have no idea what Chris Simms' take on Jayden Daniels is...just going off of my own amateur "scouting" 

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Recommend we stop listening to Chris Simms

 

 

[56mehl56]

22 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

There is a 0% chance we are taking a qb in round 1.

Accept it Jet fans!!!!!!!!!!!

While I tend to agree with you, your guarantee makes me think its still possible. 

[slimjasi]

2 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Recommend we stop listening to Chris Simms

FYI, Chris Simms had Patrick Mahomes as the best QB available in 2017,  Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen as the two best QBs available in 2018, Kylar Murray as the best QB available in 2019, Herbert and Burrow as the two best QBs available in 2020, and Stroud as the best QB available last year. 

 

[Maynard13]

On 12/18/2023 at 2:06 PM, Warfish said:

Best D Tackle you mean.

Best edge rusher not named McDuck  you mean

[Maynard13]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

 

Sign Chris Sims RIGHT NOW as QB coach and let him pick our next QB. He hit this right on the bullseye. 

[Maynard13]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

FYI, Chris Simms had Patrick Mahomes as the best QB available in 2017,  Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen as the two best QBs available in 2018, Kylar Murray as the best QB available in 2019, Herbert and Burrow as the two best QBs available in 2020, and Stroud as the best QB available last year. 

 

Wow so why did he say Zach sucks? 

[RockyM]

On 12/18/2023 at 2:19 PM, Rhg1084 said:

Yeah but what happens when Rodgers gets hurt again or turns out to be a bust? What’s the future of the QB position on this team?

Sign a vet as # 2 to backup Rodgers, draft a QB somewhere in rounds 3 to 5 to develop.

[TuscanyTile2]

I'm already convinced I'm going to build up hope all offseason that we'll draft Jayden Daniels but he'll end up somewhere else.  Maybe he'll get picked before we even get a chance to take him.  

[Rich Thornburgh]

15 hours ago, slimjasi said:

FYI, Chris Simms had Patrick Mahomes as the best QB available in 2017,  Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen as the two best QBs available in 2018, Kylar Murray as the best QB available in 2019, Herbert and Burrow as the two best QBs available in 2020, and Stroud as the best QB available last year. 

 

😆

[bitonti]

13 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I'm already convinced I'm going to build up hope all offseason that we'll draft Jayden Daniels but he'll end up somewhere else.  Maybe he'll get picked before we even get a chance to take him.  

they aren't going to draft anyone legit with King Aaron around 

yes he is that petty 

[Rich Thornburgh]

16 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

 

If I ever need a good laugh 

[Rich Thornburgh]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

they aren't going to draft anyone legit with King Aaron around 

yes he is that petty 

That’s too bad.  If Woody had brains and balls he’d tell Aaron straight up we are drafting your successor at qb we want you to play for us but the future of the franchise is our main concern 

[bitonti]

5 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

the future of the franchise is our main concern 

They gave Rodgers basically a 100 mil that's going to hit until 2028 there is no future 

 

[Augustiniak]

27 minutes ago, bitonti said:

They gave Rodgers basically a 100 mil that's going to hit until 2028 there is no future 

 

There’s always a future.  You just have to invest draft picks in qbs.  Invest in the OL and qb.  Douglas tried and whiffed at these two positions and here we are.  If rodgers plays 12 games next season that’s a win, but that means 5 games w/o him and zach clearly can’t be relied upon to even go .500 in emergency duty. This franchise always gives the keys to the city to some qb who is unprepared for the role and it backfires.  Draft a guy in the 3rd round every other year.  Throw FA money at the line rather than at DT and cb.  This is also a great year to use a 1st rounder in 2025 if a guy like mccarthy is there in the 2nd round, draft him and have him be the backup, he’s better than the crap like tannehill the jets can get.  

[Jetsplayer21]

On 12/19/2023 at 9:22 AM, Joe W. Namath said:

You all wanted Rodgers.  Therefore, no Jayden Daniels.

Like saying “ y’all wanted jermaine Johnson, John Franklin - myers,  Carl Lawson , Bryce huff,

so definitely NOT will Macdonald 15th overall ! 🙈🤣

[Dunnie]

Wow so why did he say Zach sucks? 

We will know after Zach's next team.

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[Sperm Edwards]

On 12/19/2023 at 10:50 AM, Adoni Beast said:

49ers acquired Steve Young with Montana still winning SBs

Packers drafted Rodgers with Favre still competing for championships

Packers drafted Love with Rodgers still competing for championships

Patriots drafted Jimmy G with Brady still winning ABs

Ravens drafted Lamar with Flacco still taking them to the playoffs

Chiefs drafted Mahomes with Smith taking them to multiple AFC championship games

Eagles drafted Hurts with Wentz at the time one of the better QBs in the league 

What is the common thread here? 49ers / Packers / Patriots / Ravens / Chiefs / Eagles are some of the best franchises in the league.

Good teams have or at least try to create succession plans for QB without worrying about what their current starter thinks and feels.

 

 

KC taking Mahomes was the only one of them that was a top 10 pick, because Reid had decided that (a) he'd gone as far as he could with a game-manager in Alex Smith, and (b) would probably be able to trade Smith for a high pick after letting his rookie simmer on the bench for the year - as of course happened.

 

Baltimore had missed the playoffs for 3 straight seasons and, surely reserved to a plan of one more water-treading non-playoff season with Flacco, whose time they were just biding until he could be reasonably released after the SB win induced them into that mega-contract they soon regretted. The smart move was in drafting a far better QB in the first place, not because they drafted him while still a serious contender with Flacco at the helm.

Also they none of those who did even take a 1st rounder were doubly without a 2nd rounder at the time, for a team with this many holes on offense (or on one side of the ball in general), effectively making round 3 their first potential rookie contributor towards a SB run that season. Without looking it up, I doubt any of those teams were in need of 3 OL + 1 WR starter upgrades (plus whatever other holes on defense, as well as depth that will surely see the field, too). Not all those starter holes will be filled from this year's draft class (nor should they, considering 3 of them are in 1 position group, and serious contenders don't start 5 rookies all season long). I doubt those teams headed into those offseasons with a minimum of 4 starter upgrades on offense alone.

IOW not apples to apples.

Also drafting Love while they still had Rodgers 4 years ago was a brain-dead stupid move in retrospect, and may very well have cost them at least another super bowl by sitting on their hands and taking a 3-year QB2 over a much needed high-talent starter, like moving up for game-changers Jefferson or Lamb (well within their reach), instead of wasting 3 years of their HOF QB's prime on backups QB2 Jordan Love and RB2 AJ Dillon (not to mention Becton-like draft moves of their own, like Josh Myers over Creed Humphrey). 

San Fran also would have surely thrown away a Super Bowl opportunity (or two, or more) of their own by throwing all those picks at Trey Lance - a move conveniently left out of this list - while still a contender with Garoppolo, and only improbably hitting on Purdy saved them from their own stupidity that gets most GMs fired.

Next, I fail to see how drafting Garoppolo was a big boost to the Patriots or any type of smart move for them. They used a second rounder on him, and 3 years later traded him for a 2nd rounder after throwing just 5 TDs for them in a ridiculously brief backup role that didn't even last through just 2 spot starts in 3 seasons before landing on IR when they needed him for a full month. IOW, it was a total waste of a high draft pick for them.

Ditto Denver using a comparable Garoppolo pick on Brock Osweiler a month after signing Peyton Manning, who came off a missed season himself. Might they have been better with the very next player taken - Lavonte David - instead of starting Wesley Woodyard heading into three seasons of 30-ppg offenses? Maybe they'd have had another ring - or two - from before Manning's arm gave out. In his 4th season they did win 5 of 7 with Osweiler, and it could be argued the end always justifies the means when it's an eventual Super Bowl win, but they might have won at least one more, and then in '15 simply used a FA as their QB to fill in as adequately on that offense that still boasted a killer pair of WRs (Fitzpatrick, Tyrod, McCown, Hoyer, etc.), especially with a Lavante David still aiding on defense. They rightly let Osweiler go the following year, wrongly drafted Paxton Lynch in round 1 to be their next FQB, and then wenth through 6 straight sub-.500 seasons. 

Drafting Rodgers when they still had Favre was unusual, as Rodgers was previously projected as high as the #3 overall pick, 2005 wasn't billed as a powerhouse draft class (wasn't that the year we traded out of that part of round 1 and drafted Nugent with our top pick?), and Favre was already playing footsie with retirement, weakly committing to one more season - as he'd repeat annually - just a month before that draft, two months after they bowed out of the playoffs on another of his season-ending chuck & duck interception games. They went 4-12 in 2005 and Sherman was fired. 

If they miss out on the next Pat Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers QBing the team for 15 years? Yes then it will have been Jetsy stupid in hindsight. As likely as not, after putting all their eggs in the Rodgers basket for a 2-3 year window, they'll more likely have then slammed their own window shut to take the next Jetsy bust QB in round 1. 

Prediction:

• if Daniels is there for the Jets and we take him, he'll be Vince Young, Tim Tebow, or Johnny Manziel, and the Jets will be 1 player short with either an OT or WR sitting right there who then won ROY honors.
• If we pass on him he'll be Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, or Jalen Hurts, as we draft the next Mekhi Becton or Andre Dillard

I've accepted this the way of the universe.

[bitonti]

6 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

if a guy like mccarthy is there in the 2nd round, draft him

They don't have a second rd pick 

Because of the king 

[Dunnie]

KC taking Mahomes was the only one of them that was a top 10 pick, because Reid had decided that (a) he'd gone as far as he could with a game-manager in Alex Smith, and ( would probably be able to trade Smith for a high pick after letting his rookie simmer on the bench for the year - as of course happened.
 
Baltimore had missed the playoffs for 3 straight seasons and, surely reserved to a plan of one more water-treading non-playoff season with Flacco, whose time they were just biding until he could be reasonably released after the SB win induced them into that mega-contract they soon regretted. The smart move was in drafting a far better QB in the first place, not because they drafted him while still a serious contender with Flacco at the helm.
Also they none of those who did even take a 1st rounder were doubly without a 2nd rounder at the time, for a team with this many holes on offense (or on one side of the ball in general), effectively making round 3 their first potential rookie contributor towards a SB run that season. Without looking it up, I doubt any of those teams were in need of 3 OL + 1 WR starter upgrades (plus whatever other holes on defense, as well as depth that will surely see the field, too). Not all those starter holes will be filled from this year's draft class (nor should they, considering 3 of them are in 1 position group, and serious contenders don't start 5 rookies all season long). I doubt those teams headed into those offseasons with a minimum of 4 starter upgrades on offense alone.
IOW not apples to apples.
Also drafting Love while they still had Rodgers 4 years ago was a brain-dead stupid move in retrospect, and may very well have cost them at least another super bowl by sitting on their hands and taking a 3-year QB2 over a much needed high-talent starter, like moving up for game-changers Jefferson or Lamb (well within their reach), instead of wasting 3 years of their HOF QB's prime on backups QB2 Jordan Love and RB2 AJ Dillon (not to mention Becton-like draft moves of their own, like Josh Myers over Creed Humphrey). 
San Fran also would have surely thrown away a Super Bowl opportunity (or two, or more) of their own by throwing all those picks at Trey Lance - a move conveniently left out of this list - while still a contender with Garoppolo, and only improbably hitting on Purdy saved them from their own stupidity that gets most GMs fired.
Next, I fail to see how drafting Garoppolo was a big boost to the Patriots or any type of smart move for them. They used a second rounder on him, and 3 years later traded him for a 2nd rounder after throwing just 5 TDs for them in a ridiculously brief backup role that didn't even last through just 2 spot starts in 3 seasons before landing on IR when they needed him for a full month. IOW, it was a total waste of a high draft pick for them.
Ditto Denver using a comparable Garoppolo pick on Brock Osweiler a month after signing Peyton Manning, who came off a missed season himself. Might they have been better with the very next player taken - Lavonte David - instead of starting Wesley Woodyard heading into three seasons of 30-ppg offenses? Maybe they'd have had another ring - or two - from before Manning's arm gave out. In his 4th season they did win 5 of 7 with Osweiler, and it could be argued the end always justifies the means when it's an eventual Super Bowl win, but they might have won at least one more, and then in '15 simply used a FA as their QB to fill in as adequately on that offense that still boasted a killer pair of WRs (Fitzpatrick, Tyrod, McCown, Hoyer, etc.), especially with a Lavante David still aiding on defense. They rightly let Osweiler go the following year, wrongly drafted Paxton Lynch in round 1 to be their next FQB, and then wenth through 6 straight sub-.500 seasons. 
Drafting Rodgers when they still had Favre was unusual, as Rodgers was previously projected as high as the #3 overall pick, 2005 wasn't billed as a powerhouse draft class (wasn't that the year we traded out of that part of round 1 and drafted Nugent with our top pick?), and Favre was already playing footsie with retirement, weakly committing to one more season - as he'd repeat annually - just a month before that draft, two months after they bowed out of the playoffs on another of his season-ending chuck & duck interception games. They went 4-12 in 2005 and Sherman was fired. 
If they miss out on the next Pat Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers QBing the team for 15 years? Yes then it will have been Jetsy stupid in hindsight. As likely as not, after putting all their eggs in the Rodgers basket for a 2-3 year window, they'll more likely have then slammed their own window shut to take the next Jetsy bust QB in round 1. 
Prediction:

• if Daniels is there for the Jets and we take him, he'll be Vince Young, Tim Tebow, or Johnny Manziel, and the Jets will be 1 player short with either an OT or WR sitting right there who then won ROY honors.
• If we pass on him he'll be Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, or Jalen Hurts, as we draft the next Mekhi Becton or Andre Dillard

I've accepted this the way of the universe.

The end is all you need. The best pick would be Alt after minor trade down and JJ McCarthy after trading back up.

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[T0mShane]

Sounds like Daniels will fit seamlessly into Zach’s spot on the roster:

 

[Warfish]

7 hours ago, bitonti said:

They gave Rodgers basically a 100 mil that's going to hit until 2028 there is no future 

 

Certainly not a 1st round future in 2024.

Best to look at the late-round/UDFA types as that’s likely the best we can hope for. Like Joe Milton as one of many examples.

[JustInFudge]

I havent read this thread yet but since it has legs,  I'm excited to go back and read all the hot takes from the always wrong about the draft smooth brains that are lining up to tell you why, the best QB in the draft is secretly, not the best QB in the draft.  Hmmmm, the question is, what narrative has been created this time to tear down this young man? What is it this year?  Is it: 

- he's "slow processor?"

- he's "run first"?

- he's "not a leader?"

- his style of play wont work in the NFL?

- he doesnt throw into "NFL windows"?

- or maybe Chris Simms said something? 

So juicy!!!  Cant wait to read it now!!!!!!

 

[Larz]

This might actually be the year that the jets trade back and take oline lol

[JustInFudge]

On 12/18/2023 at 3:28 PM, Rhg1084 said:

Caleb is one of the best prospects in years 

He is? 

[JustInFudge]

On 12/18/2023 at 4:24 PM, 68JET11 said:

Can't do it, too many USC busts at that position.

Curious, how does this rule apply now w/ the transfer system? Especially in Caleb's case who only went to USC because he followed his coach from Oklahoma.  

 

[TuscanyTile2]

7 hours ago, bitonti said:

they aren't going to draft anyone legit with King Aaron around 

yes he is that petty 

I don't think it's petty.  I'm sure as part of the wooing process, Woody and JD promised AR8 that they would get him what he needed to give him his best chance to win if he'd agree to come here.  That's not really on AR8.   He's a 40 yo HOF QB and we're a terrible franchise.  It was appropriate that the Jets had to do whatever it took to entice him to come here.

[TuscanyTile2]

22 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Sounds like Daniels will fit seamlessly into Zach’s spot on the roster:

 

I so enjoyed your comedy during the Zach Wilson era (error?) that I'd love to run it back for the next 3 years with Jayden Daniels!

[Sperm Edwards]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I don't think it's petty.  I'm sure as part of the wooing process, Woody and JD promised AR8 that they would get him what he needed if he'd agree to come here.  That's not really on AR8.  

Well...c'mon its a little on AR8 if what he "needed" were players & coaches no one else wanted. 

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Well...c'mon its a little on AR8 if what he "needed" were players & coaches no one else wanted. 

I was more thinking about the idea of not drafting a 1st round QB while he was here.  His acquisitions (Hackett, Lazard, Cobb, etc) were absolutely awful and they were his choices (and his fault)

[bitonti]

13 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I don't think it's petty.  I'm sure as part of the wooing process, Woody and JD promised AR8 that they would get him what he needed to give him his best chance to win if he'd agree to come here.  That's not really on AR8.   He's a 40 yo HOF QB and we're a terrible franchise.  It was appropriate that the Jets had to do whatever it took to entice him to come here.

A first Rd backup qb doesn’t help king Aaron in any way therefore he's not interested 

[Augustiniak]

43 minutes ago, bitonti said:

They don't have a second rd pick 

Because of the king 

There’s ways of getting one

[bitonti]

14 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

There’s ways of getting one