HighPitch Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I am sure our dumb team wont even consider an early qb pic, so maybe they might consider a later one. This might be the best overall class of qbs of all time ! So, Rattler........idk that much about him but he is talented and an ass? Pratt - I think this is a great prospect. Check his stats he has improved in every category each year without a setback. I can see this kid being a late round success story. His numbers are very good. Milton - OK, this kid REALLY intrigues me. I mean REALLY intrigues me. He is a massive 6 foot 5 inch 240 lb er. He might have the strongest arm in the world and I mean on the entire planet not just college but pros as well. On top of that he can scramble and has no fear of a collapsing pocket. Anybody watch any of these guys in depth? Care to chime in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The Jets should spend a pick on Milton IMO maybe Rodgers can teach him the guy has all the tools 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Spencer Rattler shouldn’t be on draft boards, and stay away UDFA as well. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 22 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Spencer Rattler shouldn’t be on draft boards, and stay away UDFA as well. why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 id rank them as Pratt, Milton, Rattler. I've never cared for rattler, even back to his HS days. Kid just really rubs you the wrong way. I'm sure he's matured a little at SC but i just wouldnt want to add him to the mix. Pratt has probably the best chance to be productive as he's already on the road to refinement. He's not as uber talented physically as some of the other guys, but he has a good deal of polish already and can continue to grow. Wouldnt surprise me if he is an average-above average nfl starter with a floor of a career priority Qb2 Milton is the guy you take a swing on and see what you can manage. Obviously he has the size and his arm is as special as they come, but he also needs plenty of work. If you have an older established starter, he is the perfect gamble. His floor is completely inconsistent nfl player who can give you flashes one game and flame out for 5 straight (ala a zach wilson) or he can be someone akin to josh allen. You may need to sit him for 2-3 years before you give him a try, but his upside more than warrants a 5th rd pick. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 should also note the problem with developing milton that may drop him more is the fact that he's 24 already i believe (i know he'll be on the older side for a rookie) So if you sit him for 3 years he's aready 27 ish which isnt the most ideal situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Milton has the build and the arm, and that's about it from what I've seen. I'd rather have Rattler tbh. Pratt will most likely be gone by the 4th, so for us to get him we probably have to spend our 3rd rounder. Considering we don't have a 2nd, I'm not sure how I feel about spending our 2nd highest pick on a guy who won't play next year. 4th, 100%, but I doubt he lasts that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, bonkertons said: Milton has the build and the arm, and that's about it from what I've seen. I'd rather have Rattler tbh. Pratt will most likely be gone by the 4th, so for us to get him we probably have to spend our 3rd rounder. Considering we don't have a 2nd, I'm not sure how I feel about spending our 2nd highest pick on a guy who won't play next year. 4th, 100%, but I doubt he lasts that long. Pratt will be gone early to mid 3rd round. High ceiling low floor qb with good intangibles and fundamentals. His arm is meh but good enough for most throws. I can’t see the jets taking even pratt in the 3rd unless they get another day 2 pick somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, HighPitch said: why He is a selfish POS as a person and teammate and has rocks in his head. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 hours ago, Chrebetfan80 said: should also note the problem with developing milton that may drop him more is the fact that he's 24 already i believe (i know he'll be on the older side for a rookie) So if you sit him for 3 years he's aready 27 ish which isnt the most ideal situation. Even if he's 27, so what. He can still start 10-12 years in the NFL QBs, age just doesn't matter that much (in my humble opinion). They are so protected, they can play into mid-late 30s with no issue. And, if he starts at age 27, he'll be a "young" 27, without near the hits and mileage on his arm as other Qbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 CF80 with the insight! I also dont care about the age thing btw…. I can see pratt become a fast middle if the road starter. I think he is a great 3 rd rou d pick and a 4 th round steal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 hours ago, Lupz27 said: He is a selfish POS as a person and teammate and has rocks in his head. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 13 hours ago, chirorob said: Even if he's 27, so what. He can still start 10-12 years in the NFL QBs, age just doesn't matter that much (in my humble opinion). They are so protected, they can play into mid-late 30s with no issue. And, if he starts at age 27, he'll be a "young" 27, without near the hits and mileage on his arm as other Qbs this is true, you just have to think about it in terms of viable investments into a players prime. at 27 most players are in the middle of their prime. like right now Allen is 27 Jackson 26, Burrow 26, Herbert 25, these guys have at minimum 10 more years if not more likely 15 and have already won either an mvp or been established for a few years. So while its in no means an absolute deal breaker, if youre telling me that my qb is going to be just beginning his starting stint at 27 when guys a year younger have already won multiple mvps, it just is something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Talking with someone last night.... Milton may rise. He's going to pop at the combine if he gets an invite (im assuming he will). People are saying he may have the strongest arm anyone has seen in a long time. Theres videos of him throwing the ball legitimately 80 yards, and the guy I was talking to said he hasnt even unlocked his lower body yet. He said its realistic that with improved throwing mechanics his arm even gets stronger (basically saying he can use his core and base more to generate power, they dont want to tool too much with his motion because his release is very quick). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 I would LOVE milton or pratt. Man Milton as a jet with a solid O line and speedy receivers and breece to keep the d honest. bomb after bomb a gal can dream ya know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Chrebetfan80 said: Talking with someone last night.... Milton may rise. He's going to pop at the combine if he gets an invite (im assuming he will). People are saying he may have the strongest arm anyone has seen in a long time. Theres videos of him throwing the ball legitimately 80 yards, and the guy I was talking to said he hasnt even unlocked his lower body yet. He said its realistic that with improved throwing mechanics his arm even gets stronger (basically saying he can use his core and base more to generate power, they dont want to tool too much with his motion because his release is very quick). He’s the exact archetype I’ve always wanted the Jets to have. Huge and a cannon. That size just helps give an answer against pressure occasionally and the arm keeps defenses honest. There hits a point that risk-reward is completely worth it. Think he’s a long shot to work out but he’d be a fun add. Imagine he could be up Douglas’ alley too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 50 minutes ago, derp said: He’s the exact archetype I’ve always wanted the Jets to have. Huge and a cannon. That size just helps give an answer against pressure occasionally and the arm keeps defenses honest. There hits a point that risk-reward is completely worth it. Think he’s a long shot to work out but he’d be a fun add. Imagine he could be up Douglas’ alley too. yea he's a nice guy to give you that "what if" feeling. And he's got some good aspects to his game that you like right off the bat. he navigates the pocket nicely, doesnt get rattled by pressure, has an absolute nuke for an arm. He needs seasoning though, post snap reading defenses is an issue, touch is an issue (which generally is for guys with that kind of arm) accuracy under pressure can be too game ive watched he was throwing the ball high on the run. so its time and coaching. I think physically he has all the tools though, i think its similar to Richardson last year, although i dont know if Milton would rise nearly that high to be a top 10 pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said: yea he's a nice guy to give you that "what if" feeling. And he's got some good aspects to his game that you like right off the bat. he navigates the pocket nicely, doesnt get rattled by pressure, has an absolute nuke for an arm. He needs seasoning though, post snap reading defenses is an issue, touch is an issue (which generally is for guys with that kind of arm) accuracy under pressure can be too game ive watched he was throwing the ball high on the run. so its time and coaching. I think physically he has all the tools though, i think its similar to Richardson last year, although i dont know if Milton would rise nearly that high to be a top 10 pick. Yeah I have been impressed with his pocket management at a glance and to me that’s such a huge trait. Definitely a mess mechanically though. Like you said, the age thing is huge. It’s interesting looking at someone like that who’s going to be 24 on draft day. He’s like half a year younger than Zach Wilson. Not like he hasn’t been coached either, he had three years with Harbaugh at Michigan. There’s a compelling argument that he’s not going to improve a ton mechanically unless he goes to the exact right place. I don’t know where risk/reward gets to the right area because the upside is enormous. the downside is really obvious too, and he’s not playing right away. Even with all that talent I don’t know if I could get behind him in the first two rounds, and the third feels a little rich too - though the Jets not having a 2 may play into that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 18 minutes ago, derp said: Yeah I have been impressed with his pocket management at a glance and to me that’s such a huge trait. Definitely a mess mechanically though. Like you said, the age thing is huge. It’s interesting looking at someone like that who’s going to be 24 on draft day. He’s like half a year younger than Zach Wilson. Not like he hasn’t been coached either, he had three years with Harbaugh at Michigan. There’s a compelling argument that he’s not going to improve a ton mechanically unless he goes to the exact right place. I don’t know where risk/reward gets to the right area because the upside is enormous. the downside is really obvious too, and he’s not playing right away. Even with all that talent I don’t know if I could get behind him in the first two rounds, and the third feels a little rich too - though the Jets not having a 2 may play into that. yea I agree. I have thought if i could get him in the 5th id have to really consider it. Just because the ceiling is so high. The floor though is unbelievably low. Its one of those things if you have a mid to late 5th and youve added depth and pieces youve needed in the other rounds. that may be the spot to take a swing if he's sitting there. Otherwise you'd probably want a guy like pratt in the back half of 3 or 4. At least with him you can be pretty sure he could develop into at minimum a career + backup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Gimme Pratt or Milton. Rattlers face alone annoys me, so pass. Jets have to take one of these late round QBs right? It would be such a complete waste of time and effort on their part with Rodgers there for at least 2 more years. Take your shot at actually developing a guy behind a HOF QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, HighPitch said: I would LOVE milton or pratt. Man Milton as a jet with a solid O line and speedy receivers and breece to keep the d honest. bomb after bomb a gal can dream ya know taking over after Rodgers in two years, damn that would be awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 the thing is JD doesn't have a clue about drafting QBs (Zach Wilson and James Morgan) so we're kinda fked, i would go as high as a 3rd for Milton based on potential alone, its not like we draft well past the first anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Moore Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Where do we stand on Sam Hartman ? I know he damaged his stock by not performing against better competition, but I can’t shake the feeling he can be a solid pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Milton was a guy I was very interested in watching this year and his production was a huge let down. Also didn't help him that as a potential UDFA he sat out a bowl game. I understand guys doing it who are going in round 1, but when you might not even get picked and don't play to help your cause? Red flag for me. Rattler appears to be the douchiest of all douches but in fairness, played at a much higher level this season and looked like a guy worth rolling the dice on IF he has matured. Big if. Pratt is a guy I haven't seen much of but have been impressed with what I've seen. Might be my favorite of the three. Would also look at any of these guys on day 3: Sam Hartman Devin Leary Jason Bean (more likely a UDFA) Brady Cook. All developmental guys who are long shots to work out but did some good things in college and have some traits you can work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/25/2024 at 11:53 AM, Lupz27 said: Spencer Rattler shouldn’t be on draft boards, and stay away UDFA as well. Yup. I have wanted nothing to do with this kid ever since watching him on Netflix QB1 show when he was in High School. Does not seem like a guy anyone would want leading their franchise. And his play has been so erratic. Have not studied him in any detail, but my gut says stay away, very far away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Rattler? May as well save the pick and bring in kellen mond. Milton is not impressive either prate however, quite possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I really like the idea of Milton getting a chance to site behind Arod and learn for a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Brugler and Jeremiah saying there’s Bo Nix top ten buzz which is wild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 38 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Brugler and Jeremiah saying there’s Bo Nix top ten buzz which is wild Looks like a Broncos QB if i ever seen one 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 56 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Brugler and Jeremiah saying there’s Bo Nix top ten buzz which is wild as the process goes on he's going to get a lot of comparisons to Herbert. Theres legit buzz he'll be a big riser. And he's competing in everything which teams love to see. Senior bowl, combine, he's not shying away from it like we've seen with some guys (albeit guys projected to go top 3). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 hours ago, T0mShane said: Brugler and Jeremiah saying there’s Bo Nix top ten buzz which is wild 61 college starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Spencer Rattler reminds me of an albino boa constrictor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/25/2024 at 8:44 AM, HighPitch said: I am sure our dumb team wont even consider an early qb pic, so maybe they might consider a later one. This might be the best overall class of qbs of all time ! So, Rattler........idk that much about him but he is talented and an ass? Pratt - I think this is a great prospect. Check his stats he has improved in every category each year without a setback. I can see this kid being a late round success story. His numbers are very good. Milton - OK, this kid REALLY intrigues me. I mean REALLY intrigues me. He is a massive 6 foot 5 inch 240 lb er. He might have the strongest arm in the world and I mean on the entire planet not just college but pros as well. On top of that he can scramble and has no fear of a collapsing pocket. Anybody watch any of these guys in depth? Care to chime in? Milton is tantalizing, but how many starts does he have? 15? **** that. Give me Pratt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 If we draft Rattler, Hartman or Milton it will be a worse pick than James Morgan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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