The Tony Pauline article is here! Come on in! JD not a big dog. Saleh still sux. Hogan the leaker.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-state-jets-confidence-joe-douglas-dips-saleh-methods-questioned-organization-finds-scapegoat-media-leaks

Latest on league opinion on Joe Douglas

For the longest time now, I’ve been told that Douglas doesn’t exert his power and is not the big dog in the organization that people expect him to be. Some have told me Douglas is, “too nice for his own good,” and doesn’t lay down the hammer when he needs to.

While it’s been written that Douglas takes his lead from Aaron Rodgers, which is a result of the general manager not forcing his will rather than an edict from above, many more believe he acquiesces to the wants of Robert Saleh too much.

They point to the 2023 draft when, after trading away picks to acquire Rodgers, the Jets selected Will McDonald with the 15th pick rather than choosing receiver Jaxon Smith-Njigba, who went five slots later to the Seattle Seahawks, or making a move up for offensive tackle Broderick Jones, who was drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers at pick 14 after they purposely traded ahead of the Jets.

McDonald, who has a bright future, did not fit the “win-now” mode the Jets are in, and few believed he was worth selecting in the middle of Round 1. The choice of McDonald had “Saleh pick” written all over it. One year later and the Jets still have a desperate need at offensive tackle with receiver not far behind on the list of priorities.

There have been other instances that made people shake their head.

I’m told that during exit interviews with players after the 2022 season, owner Woody Johnson decided to interject on several occasions. When Johnson chose to be part of the interview, Douglas was described as being a bystander, which is not the norm for most franchises.

There have been moments of glory for the general manager. The 2022 draft was transformational, with the likes of Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson and Breece Hall being harvested that year. Douglas has also hit on a few solid free-agent signings, including cornerback D.J. Reed and tight end Tyler Conklin as well as safety Jordan Whitehead.

Yet there have been more misses than hits. The only other draft pick who has been a consistent producer from the four classes Douglas has engineered is nickel back Michael Carter, a fifth-round pick in 2021. Alijah Vera-Tucker has played well when he’s on the field, but he has missed most of the past two seasons with injury. Mekhi Becton, Douglas’ first pick as general manager and the 11th pick of the 2021 draft, went in reverse last season and is not expected back next year.

For the most part, his free-agent signings have been disasters. Offensive guard Laken Tomlinson has never been effective and was kept around simply because the team needed warm bodies on the offensive line. Defensive end Carl Lawson, the first big free-agent signing by Douglas, tore his Achilles the summer after joining the Jets in 2021, has played in just 23 games and has just seven sacks on his ledger since.

Why Robert Saleh hasn't won too many admirers

Saleh, who took over as Jets head coach in 2021 and has yet to deliver a single season of .500 or better, is well-liked by the media for his soundbites. The same cannot be said for many of the players on his roster.

While it’s true that Saleh never lost the locker room despite being on the brink numerous times, several players and people in the organization tell me that, all too often, Saleh tells players what they want to hear rather than the truth. And the players know that Saleh is not being truthful with them. He then relies on assistant coaches to do the dirty work.

Saleh’s promise of player usage has been a big problem for many in the locker room, such as telling a player he’ll be used in a certain way or see a certain amount of playing time only for the player to find out from a position coach it was never true from the get-go.

And while many say, “This goes on in every franchise,” it tends to have a much more negative impact on a team whose head coach has never delivered a winning season.

The saga of Keith Carter

More than a year ago, when the Jets hired Keith Carter to be the offensive line coach, I reported on the reaction from coaches and NFL personnel in attendance at the Shrine Bowl. A reaction that ranged from disbelief to, “Same old Jets.”

Carter, who coached with Saleh in Seattle a decade earlier, is not highly considered in the league as a coach or his ability to relate to players, and it showed this season. In fact, for more than a year now, multiple people tell me outright that Carter is not only a poor offensive line coach, but he is not liked by many of the players he is coaching on the Jets.

he Jets offensive line, the weak link of the team entering the season, worsened as the year progressed. They did suffer a rash of injuries, yet no player exemplified the downward spiral of the unit better than Mekhi Becton.

Joe Douglas’ first pick as Jets general manager returned from almost a two-year absence and looked good early on. Yet he was getting routinely beaten by week 17, and Becton’s career with the Jets has since come to an end. Yet despite numerous reports that Carter would be axed in the offseason, the Jets chose to keep him on staff and fired running backs coach Taylor Embree, who’s had a lot of success with his unit the past three seasons.

Some believe retaining Carter was the result of a contractual issue. Others suspect keeping Carter was the Jets’ way of thumbing their noses at critics. No one believes it was due to the merit of his work in 2023.

Could Rex Hogan be a sign of franchise dysfunction?

Many were surprised to find out weeks ago that Douglas’ right-hand man, assistant general manager Rex Hogan, was let go by the Jets in what was called a mutual parting of the ways. According to reports, Hogan was the force behind the Jets drafting quarterback Zach Wilson, as he had people in the organization believing the BYU product was a higher-rated passer than Trevor Lawrence, the first pick of the 2021 draft.

People I spoke with were surprised Hogan lasted this long after the revelation became public. So why was he released heading into the offseason?

Multiple sources inside the league tell me the Jets believe Hogan was the source of media leaks that embarrassed the team last season. And there have been several leaks that began during the second half of the season, starting with Zach Wilson’s reluctance to be inserted back into the lineup, and went through the month of January.

What we're hearing on the Jets' owners

If Jets fans had their way, the Johnsons would sell the team, yet that’s not going to happen. But league sources admit the Johnsons have made several blunders at the top of the franchise, which is why the team continues to be in disarray. And most point to the hiring of Hymie Elhai as the club’s president.

It’s not that Elhai has made any major personnel decisions, though he was largely involved in the hiring of Joe Douglas and Robert Salah; rather that the Johnsons went the comfort route by hiring Elhai. Elhai, who’s been with the organization for almost a quarter-century, was elevated to the position of president from within after holding numerous positions with the Jets.

As one source told me,

“The Johnson’s hired their coffee boy. Rather than bringing in a football person from the outside who would make the difficult decisions or say what needed to be said, no matter how uncomfortable it may sound, they hired someone that would tell them what they wanted to hear.”

Yes, there’s anticipation over the return of quarterback Aaron Rodgers, but more than anything else, there’s a feeling from league insiders that the organization is setting fans up for another disappointment thanks in large part to the dysfunction in their building.

 

[The Crusher]

Joe “dough boy” Douglas. 

[FTL Jet Fan]

Sounds like he has been reading this board for his info, wonder what poster he is . Conjecture.

[Rich Thornburgh]

Tony Pauline “breaking story” that Russini broke 2 weeks ago.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

It’s common knowledge that JD works with the coaches and gets them the players they want.  
It’s why the draft philosophy was so different between Saleh and his draft with Gase. 
IMO, It’s what a good gm does.  

[Jet_Engine1]

Quote

 

Elhai, who’s been with the organization for almost a quarter-century, was elevated to the position of president from within after holding numerous positions with the Jets.

As one source told me,

“The Johnson’s hired their coffee boy. Rather than bringing in a football person from the outside who would make the difficult decisions or say what needed to be said, no matter how uncomfortable it may sound, they hired someone that would tell them what they wanted to hear.”

 

 

LOL

[oatmeal]

“I’m told that during exit interviews with players after the 2022 season, owner Woody Johnson decided to interject on several occasions. When Johnson chose to be part of the interview, Douglas was described as being a bystander, which is not the norm for most franchises.”

[Adoni Beast]

@T0mShane

[jetstream23]

15 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

If Jets fans had their way, the Johnsons would sell the team, yet that’s not going to happen. But league sources admit the Johnsons have made several blunders at the top of the franchise, which is why the team continues to be in disarray. And most point to the hiring of Hymie Elhai as the club’s president.

It’s not that Elhai has made any major personnel decisions, though he was largely involved in the hiring of Joe Douglas and Robert Salah; rather that the Johnsons went the comfort route by hiring Elhai. Elhai, who’s been with the organization for almost a quarter-century, was elevated to the position of president from within after holding numerous positions with the Jets.

As one source told me,

“The Johnson’s hired their coffee boy. Rather than bringing in a football person from the outside who would make the difficult decisions or say what needed to be said, no matter how uncomfortable it may sound, they hired someone that would tell them what they wanted to hear.”

Yes, there’s anticipation over the return of quarterback Aaron Rodgers, but more than anything else, there’s a feeling from league insiders that the organization is setting fans up for another disappointment thanks in large part to the dysfunction in their building.

 

It starts at the top, and if you're not a football guy like Woody Johnson obviously isn't, then you better get a football guy.  Having JD be questioned pretty openly in the media and watching his control wilt like a rose in the heat is not a positive sign that there's strong leadership in place.

It's not really coincidental that the most transformative era in modern Jets football was when Bill Parcells came in.  He was no-nonsense, direct, and asserted control.  There was never any, "The coordinators are not aligned with the HC who isn't aligned with the GM who is getting overshadowed by the owner" type stuff.

The Jets now seem to have 4 partial chefs in the kitchen trying to make a dinner and they can't even agree on whether they'll be cooking Italian, Mexican, Chinese or grilling steaks.

 

 

[T0mShane]

27 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

I’m told that during exit interviews with players after the 2022 season, owner Woody Johnson decided to interject on several occasions. When Johnson chose to be part of the interview, Douglas was described as being a bystander, which is not the norm for most franchises.

Why in the **** is Woody Johnson sitting in on exit interviews? Does that mother****er need a part time job? 

[oatmeal]

Just now, jetstream23 said:

 

It starts at the top, and if you're not a football guy like Woody Johnson obviously isn't, then you better get a football guy.  Having JD be questioned pretty openly in the media and watching his control wilt like a rose in the heat is not a positive sign that there's strong leadership in place.

It's not really coincidental that the most transformative era in modern Jets football was when Bill Parcells came in.  He was no-nonsense, direct, and asserted control.  There was never any, "The coordinators are not aligned with the HC who isn't aligned with the GM who is getting overshadowed by the owner" type stuff.

The Jets now seem to have 4 partial chefs in the kitchen trying to make a dinner and they can't even agree on whether they'll be cooking Italian, Mexican, Chinese or grilling steaks.

 

 

All signs point to them literally putting this all on rodgers, he will make the call on free agents and the draft and when it ultimately fails rodgers will toss all these clowns st8 under the bus to preserve his legacy.

Remember this post 

This clown show is always just too predictable 

[Guilhermezmc]

Anyone with two eyes can write this article theres no news here.

[Jet_Engine1]

4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

 

It starts at the top, and if you're not a football guy like Woody Johnson obviously isn't, then you better get a football guy.  Having JD be questioned pretty openly in the media and watching his control wilt like a rose in the heat is not a positive sign that there's strong leadership in place.

It's not really coincidental that the most transformative era in modern Jets football was when Bill Parcells came in.  He was no-nonsense, direct, and asserted control.  There was never any, "The coordinators are not aligned with the HC who isn't aligned with the GM who is getting overshadowed by the owner" type stuff.

The Jets now seem to have 4 partial chefs in the kitchen trying to make a dinner and they can't even agree on whether they'll be cooking Italian, Mexican, Chinese or grilling steaks.

 

 

It's OK. We have Hymie Elhai steering the ship.

 

[k-met57]

20 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

It’s common knowledge that JD works with the coaches and gets them the players they want.  
It’s why the draft philosophy was so different between Saleh and his draft with Gase. 
IMO, It’s what a good gm does.  

Saleh got us McDonald, Rex got us a marginal fullback...

[Beerfish]

The true test of a leader or administrator or planner or GM is what do you do when suddenly things do not go to plan.

Douglas started out strong with some good trades and draft picks but both he and the organization totally panicked when it became apparent early that Zach Wilson was not what they thought he was going to be.

Once they panicked they went 'all in' on rodgers and just tossed away all of the principles you stick to as a gm.

Douglas within about a year went from a hard negotiator who will get a good deal for the Jets to a total panicky soft touch who you just wait out for him to cave into your demands.

This next year is 100% the same as last year.  The entire franchise is betting everything on Aaron Rodgers being pro bowl aaron rodgers.

Next year is setting itself up to be more disappointing than even this past year.

[T0mShane]

This is only the 10,000th article detailing how Woody is a meddling dimwit. Anyone who ever tries to suggest that Woody isn’t the A-1 reason for the dysfunction with this franchise should be banned to the phantom zone immediately 

[oatmeal]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

This is only the 10,000th article detailing how Woody is a meddling dimwit. Anyone who ever tries to suggest that Woody isn’t the A-1 reason for the dysfunction with this franchise should be banned to the phantom zone immediately 

I mean until we get a GM or HC to tell woody F off or fire me, nothing will change. 
 

Like if a dude can come in a get some wins fast and as soon as wood comes slithering out his cave the GM or HC can tell him F OFF!
 

Set the precedent in the beginning but if you are weak nice guys like JD and Saleh Wood will walk all over you 

 

[Jet_Engine1]

[Creepy Lurker]

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Why in the **** is Woody Johnson sitting in on exit interviews? Does that mother****er need a part time job? 

Why won’t JetBlue give this guy something to do already! 

[Creepy Lurker]

13 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

Saleh got us McDonald, Rex got us a marginal fullback...

I’m pretty sure Rex got plenty of McDonald’s. 

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

I mean until we get a GM or HC to tell woody F off or fire me, nothing will change. 
 

Like if a dude can come in a get some wins fast and as soon as wood comes slithering out his cave the GM or HC can tell him F OFF!
 

Set the precedent in the beginning but if you are weak nice guys like JD and Saleh Wood will walk all over you 

 

Mangini tried that and got bounced after going 9-7

[bicketybam]

Amazing how people just eat this sh*t up.

[Creepy Lurker]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is only the 10,000th article detailing how Woody is a meddling dimwit. Anyone who ever tries to suggest that Woody isn’t the A-1 reason for the dysfunction with this franchise should be banned to the phantom zone immediately 

He is 100% the main reason. This whole giving JD special powers and finally having a coach report to the GM was all bullsh*t. However, it is NO excuse for turds like JD and Saleh. They are huge parts of the problem and have shown enough to be moved on from.
 

Will the Jets find anyone better with idiot Woody? Probably not but they have to try at this point and see if some coach/GM tandem can win in spite of him and his meddling. The Jets were very good overall for the 2000s so it is possible. I don’t understand the last 14 years at all. No break in the atrocities besides 2015. 

[Matt39]

Where Colin was right 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

2 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Amazing how people just eat this sh*t up.

Nothing better to do at this point of the off season. Might as well gossip. 

[fullblast]

41 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Sounds like he has been reading this board for his info, wonder what poster he is . Conjecture.

Exactly! His articles always read like a mashup of fan takes from this forum/Twitter.

[Matt39]

“Rex Hogan drafted Zach Wilson”

 

[Wit]

Im disappointed that tom didnt post this. Im not even sure why. 

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

He is 100% the main reason. This whole giving JD special powers and finally having a coach report to the GM was all bullsh*t. However, it is NO excuse for turds like JD and Saleh. They are huge parts of the problem and have shown enough to be moved on from.
 

Will the Jets find anyone better with idiot Woody? Probably not but they have to try at this point and see if some coach/GM tandem can win in spite of him and his meddling. The Jets were very good overall for the 2000s so it is possible. I don’t understand the last 14 years at all. No break in the atrocities besides 2015. 

They are the way they are because they know they were over hired and it’s more about keeping your job than anything. 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

He is 100% the main reason. This whole giving JD special powers and finally having a coach report to the GM was all bullsh*t. However, it is NO excuse for turds like JD and Saleh. They are huge parts of the problem and have shown enough to be moved on from.
 

Will the Jets find anyone better with idiot Woody? Probably not but they have to try at this point and see if some coach/GM tandem can win in spite of him and his meddling. The Jets were very good overall for the 2000s so it is possible. I don’t understand the last 14 years at all. No break in the atrocities besides 2015. 

Part of the interview process is petting Woody on the head and promising him a seat at the table for every aspect of decision making and roster building despite Woody’s continued and repeated failures in those areas. Fairly sure that’s how they draft QBs too—is he a nice boy? Does he call me “Mr. Johnson”? Does he come from a good family? 

[doitny]

31 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

many more believe he acquiesces to the wants of Robert Saleh too much.

i guess Saleh wants offense then cause  4 out of 7 1st rd picks and all four 2nd rd picks have been of offense.

33 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

I’m told that during exit interviews with players after the 2022 season, owner Woody Johnson decided to interject on several occasions. When Johnson chose to be part of the interview, Douglas was described as being a bystander, which is not the norm for most franchises.

so Woody doesnt get involved? 

so its not possible he wanted Zach picked and force then to do that and keep playing him? or that he forced the trade for Rodgers???

no right>? so he only goes into interviews he has no business being in and taking over.

hey @Matt39 this helps out your theory about Woody forcing the Zach pick. we have a owner who is way too involved with personal discissions. 

46 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

Saleh tells players what they want to hear rather than the truth.

44 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

And while many say, “This goes on in every franchise,” it tends to have a much more negative impact on a team whose head coach has never delivered a winning season.

so its ok to lie to the players and everybody does this, but if your losing its bad?? 

 

48 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

While it’s true that Saleh never lost the locker room despite being on the brink numerous times,

so despite lying like every HC does he didnt lose the locker room... 

51 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

The saga of Keith Carter

this guy is garbage, we all know it.

54 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

Multiple sources inside the league tell me the Jets believe Hogan was the source of media leaks that embarrassed the team last season

so thats the real reason he got fired.

54 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

The Johnson’s hired their coffee boy. Rather than bringing in a football person from the outside who would make the difficult decisions or say what needed to be said, no matter how uncomfortable it may sound, they hired someone that would tell them what they wanted to hear.”

the Johnsons will always be the reason we suck

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Amazing how people just eat this sh*t up.

Amazing how, season after season, Jets fans will throw their bodies in front of any and all attacks toward Woody Johnson and the upper tiers of the Jets franchise despite all evidence pointing to rampant dysfunction in the operation and leadership of this franchise

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Part of the interview process is petting Woody on the head and promising him a seat at the table for every aspect of decision making and roster building despite Woody’s continued and repeated failures in those areas. Fairly sure that’s how they draft QBs too—is he a nice boy? Does he call me “Mr. Johnson”? Does he come from a good family? 

What we “now” know

Douglas is a mouse

Saleh is a phony 

Woody puts his thumb on everything 

 

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, doitny said:

i guess Saleh wants offense then cause  4 out of 7 1st rd picks and all four 2nd rd picks have been of offense.

so Woody doesnt get involved? 

so its not possible he wanted Zach picked and force then to do that and keep playing him? or that he forced the trade for Rodgers???

no right>? so he only goes into interviews he has no business being in and taking over.

hey @Matt39 this helps out your theory about Woody forcing the Zach pick. we have a owner who is way too involved with personal discissions. 

so its ok to lie to the players and everybody does this, but if your losing its bad?? 

 

so despite lying like every HC does he didnt lose the locker room... 

this guy is garbage, we all know it.

so thats the real reason he got fired.

the Johnsons will always be the reason we suck

Hot take- after reading this I put Zach’s return at about 95%

[PepPep]

Honestly, this is starting to sound more and more like schoolgirl gossip and I'm losing respect for Pauline. This is junk journalism. Even if true. 

JMHO.