****The official Jets VS 49ers Game thread****®️©️™️

[Asymmetrical]

Just now, jgb said:

350 yards, 3 TDs through the air and 1 on the ground and he celebrates with a banana still in the peel

 

I command you to stop this evocation now, demon

[slimjasi]

 

40 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

They had the same amount of drives. The difference is Purdey played well and Rodgers didn't.

 

Purdy was 19/29 for 231 yards 0 TDs, 0 INTs

Rodgers was 13/21 for 167 yards, 1 TD, 1 INTs

both had 8 YPA

Purdy also had an extra drive 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

 

Purdy was 19/29 for 231 yards 0 TDs, 0 INTs

Rodgers was 13/21 for 167 yards, 1 TD, 1 INTs

both had 8 YPA

Purdy also had an extra drive 

SF’s OL deserves the game ball  

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

SF’s OL deserves the game ball  

Yea, they were dominant. Or our DL deserves the “game ball”

[derp]

48 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It was worth the gamble if you got last year and then this one to figure out how to get to a Super Bowl, but now it feels like they’re trying a YOLO exercise to get it done this year and, well, it might not go well. 

Douglas has been scrambling for a few years now. Hasn’t all been bad but I still don’t think he’s shown to be a good GM. My opinion. I’d love to be wrong and get a Super Bowl out of it.

But he’s really pushed his chips in this year and expectations should be quite high based on what he’s done. He’s been quite aggressive and that’s fine but it has longer term implications so you need to see the fruits of it in the short term.

[Mogglez]

13 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Ok so I was going to respond to this earlier, but I was at work and didn’t want to rush it because it’d come off like I’m sassing you directly when it’s more my intent to sass Jets Fans in general today. You know you’re my boy, but…

Why are Jets fans today talking about Rodgers like he’s Sam Darnold all of a sudden and we need to grade him on some Sam Darnold-ass curve? What’s the point of having First Ballot Hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers on the roster if he and the offense are going to come unglued if/when there's a dropped pass or a penalty on a given drive? We have an elite WR and and elite RB and a rebuilt OL filled with capable veteran players and that’s the end result? 13 points where one of the TDs was a gifted free play where the defense effectively pulled up? Zach Wilson could accomplish that much. I do not get the fanbase-wide apologia for what Rodgers and the Jets put up yesterday. They were non-competitive in every aspect of the sport, and the QB was sulking from the opening tip. Stop shaking your head and lead the ******* team, Rodgers. Good God. If you came out of prison after a two-year stretch and I told you that the QB of the Jets went out against the Niners, got blown out, and in the process completed 61% of his passes for a feeble 160 yards, one TD and one INT, you would guess that the QB was still Zach Wilson or a Zach Wilson-level starter. He didn’t lead. He didn’t sustain drives. He sulked when adversity hit. And he was part and parcel of one of the most lopsided dismantlings of  Jets team that we’ve probably ever seen. I understand the impulse to reframe it as an aberration or a being not as bad as it looked, but no. It was that bad. 

 

Lol; I appreciate that.  You’ll always be my boo thang and our fun debates like these are why.  I spent the day on the road for work so I apologize in advance if I nod off while typing back, ‘cause this is gonna be a long one 😅…

My opinion on Rodgers’ performance and the reasons why I feel that way: 

As always, and you already know this about me because I constantly state that my opinions are my own, regardless of whether or not they align with or go against the grain…I can only speak for myself but…I’m not necessarily grading Rodgers on a curve.  He wasn’t perfect, but advanced stats and my eyes tell me he has more than enough juice left.  I don’t think the offense unraveled, per se; I believe that SF was dominating the defense so badly that any mistake becomes far more crushing and insurmountable.  Every single team does, in fact, make mistakes.  The top teams, especially those with great QBs, can overcome what the Jets did yesterday.  They can’t do that when they can’t get on the field or the defense can’t stop the hemorrhaging.  If that part of the team played up to their expectations Monday night, there is no doubt in my mind we’re having a completely different conversation today.

On the new talent:

Yes, we have all of those great things you mentioned…but the OL that was great in pass protection didn’t have the OOMPH needed for the run game.  The star WR and RB looked fantastic on one drive…but they didn’t show up for the majority of the game, and actively cost the team after that aforementioned drive.  

Regarding his leadership: 

I want my QB pissed off when guys drop easy 3rd down conversions.  I want my QB pissed off when a star running back, who went on national television just a few days before to ask people to tune in on Monday night football, drops passes out of the backfield or fails to protect the ball on a 1st down completion, leading to points for the opposition and only one drive removed from another mental error that killed another opportunity to score points.  We laughed at Brady for decades because he did the same things that some are calling “sulking”, but the truth is that all of the great ones do this and it’s because they demand greatness.  Lazard’s drop didn’t result in Rodgers shoving him in the trash heap.  Breece’s fumble didn’t have Aaron demand that Braelon Allen come into the game.  Garrett Wilson’s mental errors aren’t going to stop Rodgers from feeding him the ball.  The looks and subtle glares for better than that are leadership.

Sustaining drives:

How can you sustain a drive when the other players drop passes on 3rd or 4th down or commit turnovers on first down?  THEN the defense goes out, can’t stop a nosebleed, so you’re kept off the field, are playing from behind the entire game, need to score quickly, and when you finally do that to cut the deficit to 13, the defense goes right back out there, gives up another long, drawn out scoring drive, nullifying what you just accomplished to try and help.

Lastly, you mentioned Zach Wilson and I wanted to touch on this because the funny part about that is that Zach had a similar stat line to Rodgers against Buffalo, Week 1 of last year, but the advanced numbers said he was awful, predicting that he would implode at some point, which he did.  Rodgers graded out far better and there is definitely reason for optimism, despite the “disappointing” box stats.

[RevisIsland610]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You know what other offense didn’t practice together all summer? The San Francisco 49ers. 

The 49ers have played together before though. A lot of the Jets offense hasn't played a single game as a unit including the QB and most of Oline. Big difference no matter how you want to spin it. 

[jgb]

3 hours ago, RevisIsland610 said:

The 49ers have played together before though. A lot of the Jets offense hasn't played a single game as a unit including the QB and most of Oline. Big difference no matter how you want to spin it. 

Coach’s job is to simulate game conditions best as he can in practices and evaluate whether his team is ready to compete; if it is not, gotta bite the bullet and get them pre-season game reps.

[Dunnie]

We lost because their lines beat up our lines. 
The Niners are one of the best teams in the league. This was a good litmus test.

Yep ... And the rest resulted in complete failure.

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[neckdemon]

bottom line: jets looked completely overmatched by a legit contender. until further notice the jets are not in that class. they need to prove they are anything more than just hype on paper...starting with the titans

[Barry McCockinner]

 

 

[T0mShane]

Dessicated oldest 40 year old alive naturopath weirdo Tony LaRussa looking ass 

 

[TuscanyTile2]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Dessicated oldest 40 year old alive naturopath weirdo Tony LaRussa looking ass 

 

It's amazing how powerful propaganda is that they can convince otherwise intelligent people that being a naturopath (e.g. didn't buy into "safe and effective") makes one a weirdo.

[Beerfish]

12 hours ago, derp said:

When I think huge investment I think more Watson and Wilson. The Jets didn’t give up nothing but I’d argue it was well shy of HOF MVP level QB capital. And I say this as someone who’s been skeptical about the deal for a while.

Massive #1 QB salary

3 high draft picks

A decade worth of drama for a game and 4 plays

A legion of awful awful awful players  he brought with him from green bay.

The worst possible OC hire you could imagine like literally you could not have picked a worse guy to hire and all because he makes Rodgers laugh.

Yes they massively invested in Aaron Rodgers.

 

[dbatesman]

27 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

It's amazing how powerful propaganda is that they can convince otherwise intelligent people that being a naturopath (e.g. didn't buy into "safe and effective") makes one a weirdo.

Mindblade: The Apostate Sheep

[TuscanyTile2]

10 hours ago, RevisIsland610 said:

The 49ers have played together before though. A lot of the Jets offense hasn't played a single game as a unit including the QB and most of Oline. Big difference no matter how you want to spin it. 

Who's job was it to make sure the Jets were ready to play week 1?

 

7 hours ago, jgb said:

Coach’s job is to simulate game conditions best as he can in practices and evaluate whether his team is ready to compete; if it is not, gotta bite the bullet and get them pre-season game reps.

Exactly right!

 

4 hours ago, Dunnie said:

Yep ... And the rest resulted in complete failure.

Also, exactly right

 

[derp]

59 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Massive #1 QB salary

3 high draft picks

A decade worth of drama for a game and 4 plays

A legion of awful awful awful players  he brought with him from green bay.

The worst possible OC hire you could imagine like literally you could not have picked a worse guy to hire and all because he makes Rodgers laugh.

Yes they massively invested in Aaron Rodgers.

 

I pushed back on the idea that they gave up HOF MVP level capital as you initially posted, and even gave two examples of teams that gave up far more for their quarterback, but by all means move the goalposts.

[Warfish]

We definitely need a new Gameday Thread starter for week 2. 

@BP is clearly cursed.

Who shall take up the mantle and lead us!  

[RevisIsland610]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Who's job was it to make sure the Jets were ready to play week 1?

 

 

 

 

Not arguing that at all. Just stating facts that the Jets offense not playing a real game together ever as a unit is not the same as the 49ers not playing together in a preseason game.