Reddick Killed Deal that Joe Douglas and Reps had in Place

[GreenFish]

2 hours ago, Larz said:

That’s clearly not the point. The point is he had no agreement with the player when he finalized with the team. 
 

 

He had an agreement with the player’s representative. Should GMs check with players to confirm they are being represented appropriately before making a trade?

[Jet_Engine1]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

That’s

not

the

point

Are you Reddicks agent now?

[Green Ghost]

36 minutes ago, C Mart said:

So far, I guess JD foresaw Huff not worth multi yr $17m per. $34M guaranteed. 

I realize you want to support JD here, but what does Huff playing badly have to do with Reddick’s hold out? 

[C Mart]

4 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

I realize you want to support JD here, but what does Huff playing badly have to do with Reddick’s hold out? 

You’re the one foreshadowing 

[Bobby816]

1 hour ago, Green Ghost said:

I think most people who want to see JD get fired feel the way because his Win/Loss record is abysmal, not because of Reddick.

His job is to create a roster. IMO the change over from what he accumulated when he started is vastly better now. We have talent everywhere. It’s on the staff and players to execute.

[CanadaSteve]

2 hours ago, Larz said:

The point is obvious guys.  

Only to you

[Trotter]

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

All he asked was for Reddick to show up... That doesn't disagree with this report in any way 

We can meet you and give you an escort into the bldg

you will love it here and we will accomplish great things

why say this if you already offered to pay off the fines etc and make him whole and he said no

guess I am missing it

[Green Ghost]

1 hour ago, Bobby816 said:

His job is to create a roster. IMO the change over from what he accumulated when he started is vastly better now. We have talent everywhere. It’s on the staff and players to execute.

Putting aside his 6 year record of ineptitude, before the season started, I said a lot of people were getting pumped up way too much about this roster.

I said that because I felt Rodgers is old and coming off a major injury. The new LT is old and fragile, the RG is a jag, the LT is coming off two years on IR, and the C is probably better as a G. Throwing together a bunch of old and/or often injured players isn’t how a OL guru should build a line. The new WR2 is coming off a major injury. We lost our to ER and JFM without replacing either one, and we had a terrible CS.

Not only does it look like I was correct on all counts so far, but I could also be correct about the thing I was most ridiculed about… placing the Under 9.5 wins bet I did during the summer.
I was told that even with average QB play this was at worst a 10 win team. We shall see.

It’s almost like after 55+ years of following this team, I know what to expect.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

I’m still floored by an NFL HC saying the regular season is the “nothing part of football” 🏈 

Maybe Reddick took the message literally 

[Bobby816]

10 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Before the season started, I said a lot of people were getting pumped up way too much about this roster. Why?

I said Rodgers is old and coming off a major injury. The new LT is old and fragile, the RG is a jag, the LT is coming off two years on IR, and the C is probably better as a G. The new WR2 is coming off a major injury. We lost our to ER and JFM without replacing either one, and we had a terrible CS.

Not only does it look like I was correct on all counts so far, but I could also be correct about the thing I was most ridiculed about… placing the Under 9.5 wins I did during the summer.

It’s almost like after 55+ years of following this team, I know what to expect.

As I stated he can just build the roster. Injuries aren’t a Game fault. In fact he made pretty much every player you said who has injury history’s contracts incentive heavy. Which is smart.

 

But to play along with you let’s look at each position group.

 

QB: we have a HOF QB that’s only getting paid 17mill this season. And arguably one of the better backup QBs as well. On top of that we drafted a guy that would’ve been a heisman finalist at QB to sit and develop like we should.

 

RB: we have a great RB room with Breece who I have no question will get going. And landed a steal with Allen in the mid rounds. And Davis has skill as a 3rd guy. The whole RB room is under 24.

 

WR: have a great WR in GW. Best WR we’ve had since an older Marshall. A guy that should only get better and better in MW. Personally I think he’s just not being used enough right now. Lazard who has been a lot better than most of us thought. And a couple young guys in Corley and Gipson. Hopefully a change at OC helps Corley get on the field.

 

TE: this group is a group I hoped he’d help more. I was team bowers in the draft. Wasn’t happy he didn’t go in that direction. But so be it. Conklin IMO is average. Ruckert hasn’t done much. IMO one of the most overrated jets just bc he’s a local kid. Hopefully we like him up more at FB and use him more in the passing game. And Brown needs to be cut.

 

OL: he’s rebuilt this group. Easy for some to forget that we had a top 5 OL weeks 1-3. Yes they’ve been trash the last 2 weeks. But IMO it can be fixed. It’s not a talent issue. Moses is back tomorrow and when he was in is when we had a top 5 group. Smith when on his game is still a top 10 LT. Simpson was great those 1st few weeks as well as the rest of the IOL that’s young and talented. And we have a few guys with talent that are grooming behind our older OTs in Olu and Warren.

 

DE: McDonald has been great. JJ unfortunately got injured. We now know Reddick has been at fault in this contract saga. Clemons has been solid as well.

 

DT: Q has been poor. But we know the talent is there. Kinlaw was a nice pickup. Taylor was a steal as an UDFA. We get Leki back tomorrow who I like a lot to stuff the run.

 

LB: we have the best LB room in the NFL. Sherwood and Q have been all pro level. Mosley is still a talented LB as well as Surratt and Barnes who would start on A LOT of teams.

 

CB: Reed has been incredible and we know Sauce will find his game. I feel like he started slow last year as well and then teams couldn’t throw on him. Carter is a great nickel he’s been battling injury all season though. And I love the depth of Echols and Stiggers.

 

S: another group that is solid but not overwhelming. But S after all isn’t a position that’s premium. Adams is a steal as an UDFA. Clark has been solid now that he’s healthy. And there’s good depth there as well with Davis, Oliver and JBC.

 

ST: 2 solid vets in Thomas and Greg.

 

We have a top talented roster. It’s the execution and staff that’s been at fault. I know the changes didn’t seem to come from him and that it came from woody. But there’s been a change and that’s what we needed. Bc there’s no excuse for the coaching and play for in essence “no reason” to fall off like it did from the NE game to the last 2 games. 

[Gaffneycatch81]

4 hours ago, Larz said:

I mean you guys know why he was available for trade, right ?

where is the precedent for finalizing a trade with another team but only having a verbal agreement to negotiate the extension months later with the player?

a star player producing at elite levels over multiple years? 
 

I can’t think of one. 
 

Reddick wanted 3/25. 
 

If you aren’t paying that you don’t trade for him and try to squeeze his nuts in a vice 

 

The agent agreed to the 1 year raise because it meant a commission, not that it was what the client wanted 

Jamal

Adams

to name one very obvious example

[Green Ghost]

20 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

As I stated he can just build the roster. Injuries aren’t a Game fault. In fact he made pretty much every player you said who has injury history’s contracts incentive heavy. Which is smart.

 

But to play along with you let’s look at each position group.

 

QB: we have a HOF QB that’s only getting paid 17mill this season. And arguably one of the better backup QBs as well. On top of that we drafted a guy that would’ve been a heisman finalist at QB to sit and develop like we should.

 

RB: we have a great RB room with Breece who I have no question will get going. And landed a steal with Allen in the mid rounds. And Davis has skill as a 3rd guy. The whole RB room is under 24.

 

WR: have a great WR in GW. Best WR we’ve had since an older Marshall. A guy that should only get better and better in MW. Personally I think he’s just not being used enough right now. Lazard who has been a lot better than most of us thought. And a couple young guys in Corley and Gipson. Hopefully a change at OC helps Corley get on the field.

 

TE: this group is a group I hoped he’d help more. I was team bowers in the draft. Wasn’t happy he didn’t go in that direction. But so be it. Conklin IMO is average. Ruckert hasn’t done much. IMO one of the most overrated jets just bc he’s a local kid. Hopefully we like him up more at FB and use him more in the passing game. And Brown needs to be cut.

 

OL: he’s rebuilt this group. Easy for some to forget that we had a top 5 OL weeks 1-3. Yes they’ve been trash the last 2 weeks. But IMO it can be fixed. It’s not a talent issue. Moses is back tomorrow and when he was in is when we had a top 5 group. Smith when on his game is still a top 10 LT. Simpson was great those 1st few weeks as well as the rest of the IOL that’s young and talented. And we have a few guys with talent that are grooming behind our older OTs in Olu and Warren.

 

DE: McDonald has been great. JJ unfortunately got injured. We now know Reddick has been at fault in this contract saga. Clemons has been solid as well.

 

DT: Q has been poor. But we know the talent is there. Kinlaw was a nice pickup. Taylor was a steal as an UDFA. We get Leki back tomorrow who I like a lot to stuff the run.

 

LB: we have the best LB room in the NFL. Sherwood and Q have been all pro level. Mosley is still a talented LB as well as Surratt and Barnes who would start on A LOT of teams.

 

CB: Reed has been incredible and we know Sauce will find his game. I feel like he started slow last year as well and then teams couldn’t throw on him. Carter is a great nickel he’s been battling injury all season though. And I love the depth of Echols and Stiggers.

 

S: another group that is solid but not overwhelming. But S after all isn’t a position that’s premium. Adams is a steal as an UDFA. Clark has been solid now that he’s healthy. And there’s good depth there as well with Davis, Oliver and JBC.

 

ST: 2 solid vets in Thomas and Greg.

 

We have a top talented roster. It’s the execution and staff that’s been at fault. I know the changes didn’t seem to come from him and that it came from woody. But there’s been a change and that’s what we needed. Bc there’s no excuse for the coaching and play for in essence “no reason” to fall off like it did from the NE game to the last 2 games. 

Why does this read like it’s @Raideraholic talking about the Raiders?

[Jets723]

4 hours ago, Larz said:

That’s clearly not the point. The point is he had no agreement with the player when he finalized with the team. 
 

 

I think everyone Acknowledges Douglas messed up but the rest of this sh*tshow is in Reddick

[Bobby816]

11 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Why does this read like it’s @Raideraholic talking about the Raiders?

Raiders are good of talent. We aren’t. GMs job is to get the talent. It’s the players job to play hard. And the coaches jobs to get the most out of every player.

 

My point being that JD built a nice roster. Now it’s in Brick and the players to do their jobs.

[rtnelson]

Unless he shows up and fakes an injury, Reddick is hilariously enough going to retire a New York Jet.

If he does show up and fake the injury, put him on IR, then franchise tag him for next year and watch his head explode.

[Grandy]

Dumbest hold-out of all time.

[JetsFlyer]

what was the original deal between him and joe D.  don't care about make up deals.  did he ever say he would play on existing contract ?  

[JKlecko]

6 hours ago, C Mart said:

Per Rappaport:

Currently the only NFL player holding out, Reddick must report by Week 13 to receive an accrued season, or his contract will toll and everyone will be in the same situation next year.

I think that Rappaport may be incorrect.  Someone posted the rule a couple of days ago that pertains to Reddick's situation and it said that he needed to be here by week 9.  Either way, I hope the crazy bastard never shows up and never plays another down in the NFL.  I'd rather eat the 3rd round pick rather than have to pay that SOB one skinny dime.

[JKlecko]

6 hours ago, Larz said:

If Reddick was going to honor his remaining deal and accept a raise just for’24 he would still be an Eagle. 
 

Pretty simple sh*t lol

So if that's the case, then why did Reddick accept the trade to the Jets and accept the stipulation from JD that he (Reddick) show up  and they would discuss the extension?  If he had no intention of honoring his deal or showing up without a deal, he never should have accepted and told JD he would be here.  He's a lying POS!!  I wish some NJ wise guy would knee cap the SOB.

[JKlecko]

5 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

The Eagles were able to foresee it though, weren’t they?

He had been with the Eagles for 1-2 years and had had multiple conversations with him and knew him.  JD probably had one conversation.  You're trying to equivocate the two?  Absurd!!!  Not nearly the same situation.

[Biggs]

4 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

His job is to create a roster. IMO the change over from what he accumulated when he started is vastly better now. We have talent everywhere. It’s on the staff and players to execute.

He blew the QB position 3 times.  

[Big L]

Will the jets ever be able to recoup the millions in fines?  Is there any enforcement mechanism for that?  If reddick never plays a down for the jets, how would the jets collect their fines?  And then where does that money go to?  Doesn’t go towards salary cap relief,  right?

[chirorob]

8 hours ago, Larz said:

If you look at his career he never got the big multi year deal. He thought with his consistent production that he had finally earned it. He felt he didn’t need to prove himself to anyone. He wanted 3 years not 1 

Total failure by JD to assess the basic plot here. 

No.  He had a deal I'm place with the agents.

I mean, no one expected him to go insane.

[chirorob]

2 minutes ago, Big L said:

Will the jets ever be able to recoup the millions in fines?  Is there any enforcement mechanism for that?  If reddick never plays a down for the jets, how would the jets collect their fines?  And then where does that money go to?  Doesn’t go towards salary cap relief,  right?

Fines go to a charity I believe.

Cap relief is from not paying him

[batman10023]

13 hours ago, Larz said:

If you look at his career he never got the big multi year deal. He thought with his consistent production that he had finally earned it. He felt he didn’t need to prove himself to anyone. He wanted 3 years not 1 

Total failure by JD to assess the basic plot here. 

He signed a contract - he was lucky they were willing to pay him more. 

[Green Ghost]

8 hours ago, JKlecko said:

He's a lying POS!!  I wish some NJ wise guy would knee cap the SOB.

This is some sick s**t. You should be ashamed you typed this.
Grow up, then take some time to think about getting your priorities in life straight..
A normal adult doesn’t get this upset about a player holding out.

[JKlecko]

1 hour ago, Green Ghost said:

This is some sick s**t. You should be ashamed you typed this.
Grow up, then take some time to think about getting your priorities in life straight..
A normal adult doesn’t get this upset about a player holding out.

It's not about holding out. It's about being a lying, dumbass POS.  I never wanted him here anyway.  I just despise liars

[jgb]

11 hours ago, JKlecko said:

So if that's the case, then why did Reddick accept the trade to the Jets and accept the stipulation from JD that he (Reddick) show up  and they would discuss the extension?  If he had no intention of honoring his deal or showing up without a deal, he never should have accepted and told JD he would be here.  He's a lying POS!!  I wish some NJ wise guy would knee cap the SOB.

Because he thought he would have a better shot holding about against JD than Rosman or he just changed his mind after the fact? Welcome to business where people misrepresent their positions all the time to try to gain an edge. 

11 hours ago, JKlecko said:

He had been with the Eagles for 1-2 years and had had multiple conversations with him and knew him.  JD probably had one conversation.  You're trying to equivocate the two?  Absurd!!!  Not nearly the same situation.

Everyone in the NFL knew he was pissed about his current contract which is why Eagles could only get a 3rd round pick two years from now in compensation. JD knew what he was getting into and if he chose to believe based on words than Reddick would instantly drop his bitter contract dispute… that’s on JD. JD bought a cheap gas station scratch off and it wasn’t a winner.

2 hours ago, JKlecko said:

It's not about holding out. It's about being a lying, dumbass POS.  I never wanted him here anyway.  I just despise liars

Yes, you’re so principled. You hate “liars” but openly root for someone to be physically attacked and seriously injured. Very consistent ethical code.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

17 hours ago, Plen T said:

An absolute buffoon

No way Big Joe could have foreseen this 

Fourth team in FIVE years. I think Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming. 

[kevinc855]

JD still messed this up as much as his people try to leak stuff to help him not get canned in January.

Seems like the FO had no idea what Reddick wanted prior to brining him here OR YOU DONT MAKE the move

Not giving JD a pass on this, man gets so many passes its ridiculous. 

[Dunnie]

JD still messed this up as much as his people try to leak stuff to help him not get canned in January.
Seems like the FO had no idea what Reddick wanted prior to brining him here OR YOU DONT MAKE the move
Not giving JD a pass on this, man gets so many passes its ridiculous. 

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