Maxman Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Guys he is not going anywhere. I typed this in a few threads and figured I would start this one to document it. Mo, Jorge, ARod. These are all players that the Yankees want to bring back. They have a LOT of leverage. It is the last year in the stadium. Do you think the Yankees would roll the dice with all they have online? The stadium is sold out everynight. It wasn't always that way. Joe is popular. Players might leave if Joe doesn't get a new deal. I say they compromise and give him like a 2 year, 15 million dollar deal. Joe has won 4 times here. He leaves, when he says he wants to leave. That's the way it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Pettitte stopped just short of saying it would be the factor that keeps him here. I hope you're right, Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Did George paint himself into a corner by saying if they don't win the Tribe series Torre is gone? Just askin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 George isn't the bad ass he used to be. The core players , that came up through the farm system run that club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Pettitte stopped just short of saying it would be the factor that keeps him here. I hope you're right, Max. A-Rod also said it would be a factor. Coming from him, is a bit surprising, considering what went on in the 2006 post season. But aside from Lofton and Sheffield, there are few players who did not enjoy their time under Joe. I hope he returns. 2 or 3 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidhuman Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Dont foregt about Womack who didnt like being a Yankee. I dont know. If Joe stays, I hope he gets lessons on running a pen. Too many blown leads by the pen early on hurt them getting a D-title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant Hackett Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Joe should go, he has been lost since Zimmer left. Like Parcells without Belichick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Did George paint himself into a corner by saying if they don't win the Tribe series Torre is gone? Just askin.... No. George's Tampa mafia has wanted Torre axed for 3 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 George will not put up three staight years exit in the first round. He will smooth it over by bringing in Mattingly -a Yankee favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If Torre does go, expect an exodus of some FA players...if the Yanks plan on keeping Posada, Mo, Pettitte, AROD, etc., they better rethink the firing of Joe Torre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I think they will take a long hard look... Don't forget, Torre's contract is up after the season. It isn't like they are going to fire him and pay off the rest of contract to get him out of here. Management is going to have really think hard on this one. I honestly don't think Torre managed poorly in this series. The Indians outpitched them and most importantly they were 12-25 with 2 outs and runners in scoring position. That is an unreal stat. A stat that makes you go WOW. His bullpen other than Ohlendorf in game 1 did the job. Unless of course you want to throw Jaba under the bus for letting the bugs get to him in game 2. Heck even Farnsworth had a scoreless inning. The problem with the Yanks as it has been for the past seven years is that for whatever reason the bats go silent ini the post season. This isn't something that just start in 04 you can look back at the 2001 World Series, or even the ALCS against Seattle in 2000. Why it happens ? I don't know. You want to say they choke, you could I guess. Whatever it is though there is something that is missing. A team that hit 290 during the regular season, hits over 200 homeruns and drives in nearly 1,000 should not be letting a Paul Byrd get of the hook. They had their chances against Sabathia, and couldn't cash in. They had their chances with Byrd and didn't cash in. As for Joe: I think he has done a great job and unless Girardi is ready to take over then he should stay. I don't want Mattingly, I sure as hell don't want LaRussa as douchebag Bill Madden was campaigining for in today's Daily News. Girardi to me is the ONLY choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 George is a trip. Steinbrenner didn't say anything to GM Brian Cashman or Torre last night at Yankee Stadium, where the Indians escorted the Yankees out of the ALDS with a 6-4 loss in Game 4 and took the series, 3-1. Cashman approached Steinbrenner and said, "I am sorry, Boss." Steinbrenner didn't respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 George said he "might" fire torre..not that he "will". That leaves enough wiggle room to bring back Joe. Let's face it...It wasn't joe's fault. Wang had nothing in the tank. Jeter was Mr. I will hit into a DP and there was no 2-out clutch hitting. This is not Joe's fault. Joe is a good manager and has taken the yanks to 12 straight playoff series...the guy is a winner. That being said..who know what will happen. Just know this, Joe is a HOF coach and deserves some slack. As a baseball fan, the truth is that Cleveland out clutched and out pitched the yanks. Next year should be better with Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy in the rotation with Wang and Petitte. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 They need a new voice in the dugout...and I think it may be someone a little fiery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 They need a new voice in the dugout...and I think it may be someone a little fiery... It's the last year in the stadium. They need to make the postseason, sell out and compete. ARod and Torre will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 The team runs itself at this point and winning sells tickets. The money that could be spent on Arod could go to Andruw Jones, and for a play at Johan Santana. Also Donnie Baseball would be loved by the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Pettitte stopped just short of saying it would be the factor that keeps him here. I hope you're right, Max. I want to keep Pettitte in NY. HOWEVER, I am WAAAAY more concerned about our ability to replace Posada. At least we've got some young arms to rebuild the rotation with. We do NOT have another catcher who can hit. (That said... it's all about the pitching). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 The team runs itself at this point and winning sells tickets. The money that could be spent on Arod could go to Andruw Jones, and for a play at Johan Santana. Also Donnie Baseball would be loved by the fans Andruw Jones? He has seen his best days...if you can't play CF for the Braves anymore, why would the Yanks want to pay him the big bucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I honestly don't think Torre managed poorly in this series. The Indians outpitched them and most importantly they were 12-25 with 2 outs and runners in scoring position. That is an unreal stat. A stat that makes you go WOW. I think he GAVE them the first game when Wang blew up. I think he didn't play small ball, when it was obvious that our usual gameplan wasn't working. I think there was something that Joe Torre could have done about the offense, and didn't. His bullpen other than Ohlendorf in game 1 did the job. Unless of course you want to throw Jaba under the bus for letting the bugs get to him in game 2. He took too long to go to the Pen in game 1 -- one example. The problem with the Yanks as it has been for the past seven years is that for whatever reason the bats go silent ini the post season. I repeat: SMALL. BALL. You can't win in the post season by relying on the big hit. You have to manufacture runs. It isn't a mystery why we don't score runs in the post season, it's right in front of our eyes. Whatever it is though there is something that is missing. Small ball maybe? How about a manager who will play small ball? A team that hit 290 during the regular season, hits over 200 homeruns You just plain can't rely on hitting a HR in any particular game. If you try to hit them, you usually don't -- or at least, you are more likely to whiff on a breaking ball and strike out. THAT is our problem. We are losing to teams that understand this. Girardi to me is the ONLY choice. I'm leaning that way myself. Maybe Joe Torre will sort this out by retiring before they officially fire him. That'd be the dignified way to go out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If Torre does go, expect an exodus of some FA players...if the Yanks plan on keeping Posada, Mo, Pettitte, AROD, etc., they better rethink the firing of Joe Torre. I want them all to stay, but will they REALLY do any better? If we return our entire roster, manager and mindset, do we really get better? This team needs ARod, but if he wants to leave, then he can go ahead and be a Cubbie. Same with Mo: I love Mo, he comped my seats last season, but we need to plan to replace him whether he leaves or not. Posada will be the toughest to replace, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 Do me a favor, when Torre announces that he is coming back just give me some credit for calling it. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Dont foregt about Womack who didnt like being a Yankee. QUOTE] Dooley Womack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I want them all to stay, but will they REALLY do any better? If we return our entire roster, manager and mindset, do we really get better? This team needs ARod, but if he wants to leave, then he can go ahead and be a Cubbie. Same with Mo: I love Mo, he comped my seats last season, but we need to plan to replace him whether he leaves or not. Posada will be the toughest to replace, IMHO. Posada will most definitely be the most difficult to replace...but, have you ever looked into his playoff stats...he is garbage during playoff time. The bottom line is, the Yanks have difficult decisions to make and it will impact this team for the next several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Dooley Womack ? Look at SoFla going old old old school. Very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I think they will take a long hard look... Don't forget, Torre's contract is up after the season. It isn't like they are going to fire him and pay off the rest of contract to get him out of here. Management is going to have really think hard on this one. I honestly don't think Torre managed poorly in this series. The Indians outpitched them and most importantly they were 12-25 with 2 outs and runners in scoring position. That is an unreal stat. A stat that makes you go WOW. His bullpen other than Ohlendorf in game 1 did the job. Unless of course you want to throw Jaba under the bus for letting the bugs get to him in game 2. Heck even Farnsworth had a scoreless inning. The problem with the Yanks as it has been for the past seven years is that for whatever reason the bats go silent ini the post season. This isn't something that just start in 04 you can look back at the 2001 World Series, or even the ALCS against Seattle in 2000. Why it happens ? I don't know. You want to say they choke, you could I guess. Whatever it is though there is something that is missing. A team that hit 290 during the regular season, hits over 200 homeruns and drives in nearly 1,000 should not be letting a Paul Byrd get of the hook. They had their chances against Sabathia, and couldn't cash in. They had their chances with Byrd and didn't cash in. As for Joe: I think he has done a great job and unless Girardi is ready to take over then he should stay. I don't want Mattingly, I sure as hell don't want LaRussa as douchebag Bill Madden was campaigining for in today's Daily News. Girardi to me is the ONLY choice. Why the hell is garardi the only choice? A guy who abused all the good young arms he had in florida and couldn't get along with his owner and his great GM down there? Give me a break. The yankees owe girardi and mattingly nothing. They have to get the best possible manager in here and thats not EITHER of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavrik Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 It's the last year in the stadium. They need to make the postseason, sell out and compete. ARod and Torre will be back. I think that they will sell our the stadium regardless of how the team performs solely because the it'll be the last year in the stadium. The nostalgia is going to be mind boggling. But I do understand what your saying, you don't want to end your tenure at Yankee Stadium with the Yanks finishing in 3rd, 12 games out of the lead in the East. The Yanks have a good, young foundation to build on, they just need to stick with it. I think they'll be just as competitive going with guys like Joba, Cano, Hughes and Wang and dumping the old timers like Petitite, Clemens, Mussina and Rivera. Those first three provided the yanks with little help as far as pitching goes in the postseason and for most of the regular season, and they're all either in their 40s or reaching it, just dump them and find some other apt replacements. They are only going to get older and worse, especially next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugentfan1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 if GS wants this team to win the World Series next season firing joe torre is not the answer. if joe goes, its almost a guarantee that many of the yankee free agents will not come back and those are the guys that the yankees NEED to come back for next year. pettitte, and arod almost said flat out that joes future with the yankees will be a major factor in their, and if pettitte and arod go, along with joe, that could spell the chances of posada or mariano coming back next year. plus if they get a new manager next year, regardless of who it may be, girardi, mattingly, or anyone else, the yankee players will still have to take time to get used to how the new manager will actually manage the team. joe torre is loved by new york and his players so to see him go would be a bad move on GS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 If Torre was so loved, basically heis own sons Jeter and Posada would have given some sort of effort last night. Its time for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Dooley Womack ? Look at SoFla going old old old school. Very nice. My father called him Dooley the entire time he was with the Yanks. Still does when he's saying: "What was that guy's name?" if GS wants this team to win the World Series next season firing joe torre is not the answer. if joe goes, its almost a guarantee that many of the yankee free agents will not come back and those are the guys that the yankees NEED to come back for next year. pettitte, and arod almost said flat out that joes future with the yankees will be a major factor in their, and if pettitte and arod go, along with joe, that could spell the chances of posada or mariano coming back next year. plus if they get a new manager next year, regardless of who it may be, girardi, mattingly, or anyone else, the yankee players will still have to take time to get used to how the new manager will actually manage the team. joe torre is loved by new york and his players so to see him go would be a bad move on GS. The Yankees need Torre to woo FAs? Are you guys kidding? The Yankees woo FAs with only two things: 1. The chance to play in the postseason annually and 2. $$$$$$$$$$. There is no manager that Steinbrenner could not pay players enough money to play under. I still think it's much better than even money that Torre is back, but I'd just as soon see Girardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugentfan1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 My father called him Dooley the entire time he was with the Yanks. Still does when he's saying: "What was that guy's name?" The Yankees need Torre to woo FAs? Are you guys kidding? The Yankees woo FAs with only two things: 1. The chance to play in the postseason annually and 2. $$$$$$$$$$. There is no manager that Steinbrenner could not pay players enough money to play under. if it has nothing to do with joe torre then why did half of the players that can leave this year say that joe's future was a major part in their decison?? pettitte, and mo, and posada have been with joe since they started their careers and they have a love and a loyalty for him. pettitte even said last night that his love for joe is why he would come back and if joes not here next year, that would be a major factor in his decision to come back or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 The team runs itself at this point and winning sells tickets. The money that could be spent on Arod could go to Andruw Jones, and for a play at Johan Santana. Also Donnie Baseball would be loved by the fans Yankees never drew 4 million until A-Rod came around, even though they were winning a lot before his time here. Winning is not the sole reason that fans come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I think that they will sell our the stadium regardless of how the team performs solely because the it'll be the last year in the stadium. The nostalgia is going to be mind boggling. But I do understand what your saying, you don't want to end your tenure at Yankee Stadium with the Yanks finishing in 3rd, 12 games out of the lead in the East. The Yanks have a good, young foundation to build on, they just need to stick with it. I think they'll be just as competitive going with guys like Joba, Cano, Hughes and Wang and dumping the old timers like Petitite, Clemens, Mussina and Rivera. Those first three provided the yanks with little help as far as pitching goes in the postseason and for most of the regular season, and they're all either in their 40s or reaching it, just dump them and find some other apt replacements. They are only going to get older and worse, especially next year. Petitte? Not a help? He fired almost 7 scoreless innings in the playoffs, in his only start. And check his stats in the post All Star game run to the playoffs. He was money in the bank. He was something like 9-2, until he got killed in his last start of the season. He was 5-0, I believe, in August, when the Yankees made their big push. You do not want to get rid of the best lefty FA out there, if he wants to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I want to keep Pettitte in NY. HOWEVER, I am WAAAAY more concerned about our ability to replace Posada. At least we've got some young arms to rebuild the rotation with. We do NOT have another catcher who can hit. (That said... it's all about the pitching). Trade for Kelly Shoppach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Petitte? Not a help? He fired almost 7 scoreless innings in the playoffs, in his only start. And check his stats in the post All Star game run to the playoffs. He was money in the bank. He was something like 9-2, until he got killed in his last start of the season. He was 5-0, I believe, in August, when the Yankees made their big push. You do not want to get rid of the best lefty FA out there, if he wants to come back. Petite proved again he is a clutch pitcher - he will be a Yankee next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I gotta say, while I'd love to see Torre gone because I see him as being a great coach, and without him the Sox might take an advantage, I actually don't want to see him leave. I wanted one more Sox v Yanks ALCS, because it's just one of the greatest things in sports. Of course, I want the Sox to win, but I want to win by going through the Yankees, and through Torre. It just wont be the same otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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