MikeJetsWord Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Again, From Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4070 The Browns hosted restricted free agent S Abram Elam on Monday. The Jets tendered Elam low and he was originally undrafted, so he wouldn't bring back compensation if the Browns signed him. Cleveland is likely looking at Elam as a potential starting strong safety after losing Sean Jones. This one is actually interesting to me. I was always high on Elam and thought he was starting to come around. I would like to have him stick around to backup Leonhard and maybe even compete for the job. Some of his plays last year were game-changing, and his hits were always tough. I wonder if the jets would match the offer if the Browns give him a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 damn. I like elam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I'd imagine the Jets won't mind matching as long as the Browns don't suddenly decide to pay him starters money, which I just can't see happening. How much could they possibly think he's worth? In the case they decide he's worth that kind of money and the Browns are going to offer as much or more than what the Jets gave Leonhard, they can have him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I'd imagine the Jets won't mind matching as long as the Browns don't suddenly decide to pay him starters money, which I just can't see happening. How much could they possibly think he's worth? In the case they decide he's worth that kind of money and the Browns are going to offer as much or more than what the Jets gave Leonhard, they can have him anyway. it says they would go after him as a starter because of losin sean jones. so im sure theyll give him starters money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 We don't have enough depth to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Well since they tendered him so low... keep him... if they were gonna get a 5th or better... see ya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacExchange Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I absolutely want Elam back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I want Elam back, unless we can get a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Good lord, the only thing Abram Elam had going for him is the fact that he wasn't as bad as Eric Smith...really. Relax guys. Decent rotational player and that's about it. This is what happens when you sign better players to fill starting roles. The bad teams that are in need of bodies then pursue them for the simple fact that they have starting experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Good lord, the only thing Abram Elam had going for him is the fact that he wasn't as bad as Eric Smith...really. Relax guys. Decent rotational player and that's about it. This is what happens when you sign better players to fill starting roles. The bad teams that are in need of bodies then pursue them for the simple fact that they have starting experience. Haha, so sad but oh so true. Regardless if they would want to let him compete or get a starting gig, I can't imagine any team thinking he's worth real starters money. I agree with your assessment and I figure if the Browns try to go cheap on him, what the hell, the Jets keep him. But if they think he's actual worth a decent buck then so long Elam. As long as we get someone other than just The Mad Tripper for safety depth its not that big of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I want Elam back, unless we can get a 4th. We won't get anything E if Cleveland finally gets him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I absolutely want Elam back. I do too. I think he's great insurance for the 5'8" Leonhard, who I feel might have a problem holding up thru a 16 game schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 We won't get anything E if Cleveland finally gets him. Why not? He's a restricted free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I'm pretty positive he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I want Elam back, unless we can get a 4th. A 4th? If, by some miracle, we were able to wrangle anything higher than a conditional 7th for Elam, I will personally let Max shoot me in the ass with a BB gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Haha, so sad but oh so true. Regardless if they would want to let him compete or get a starting gig, I can't imagine any team thinking he's worth real starters money. I agree with your assessment and I figure if the Browns try to go cheap on him, what the hell, the Jets keep him. But if they think he's actual worth a decent buck then so long Elam. As long as we get someone other than just The Mad Tripper for safety depth its not that big of a deal. Bah, Rex has never really had a problem making sure the other safety slot's covered so long as he's had a good body next to his #1, as evident with his work with late rounders and UDFA's the past few years. If our biggest concern in the secondary going into April is the fact that the Backstreet Boy from Hell is backing up Leonhard and Rhodes PRE-draft...I'm OK with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 A 4th? If, by some miracle, we were able to wrangle anything higher than a conditional 7th for Elam, I will personally let Max shoot me in the ass with a BB gun. We have to get more than a 7th, Elam didn't play that bad last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Bah, Rex has never really had a problem making sure the other safety slot's covered so long as he's had a good body next to his #1, as evident with his work with late rounders and UDFA's the past few years. If our biggest concern in the secondary going into April is the fact that the Backstreet Boy from Hell is backing up Leonhard and Rhodes PRE-draft...I'm OK with that. I LOL'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 We have to get more than a 7th, Elam didn't play that bad last year. We just gave up a 5th and maybe another conditional pick next year for a 2-time pro bowl CB. What do you think a backup safety is worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 unless mangini overpays, the jets will probably match the offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Why not? He's a restricted free agent. We gave him the low tender ($1.01M), which he has not signed yet. (I hardly blame Elam, as he has little chance of starting this season before becoming a UFA a year later.) Assigning him the low tender means that if someone else signs him they have to give us a draft pick in the same round the player was drafted. Abram Elam was not drafted, so we would get nothing. All we "get" is first refusal to match the Browns' contract. If he accepts a contract from the Browns and we match or exceed it, he has to sign that contract with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I like Elam. But I heard he had two personal fouls on the trip out to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I like Elam. But I heard he had two personal fouls on the trip out to Cleveland. That was way back in the Neo-Elamite II period. Time marches on, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 That was way back in the Neo-Elamite II period. Time marches on, my friend. As a rule of thumb, if I have to look it up on Wiki-pedia it just isn't funny. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Again, From Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4070 This one is actually interesting to me. I was always high on Elam and thought he was starting to come around. I would like to have him stick around to backup Leonhard and maybe even compete for the job. Some of his plays last year were game-changing, and his hits were always tough. I wonder if the jets would match the offer if the Browns give him a contract? we get right of 1st refusal guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 We gave him the low tender ($1.01M), which he has not signed yet. (I hardly blame Elam, as he has little chance of starting this season before becoming a UFA a year later.) Assigning him the low tender means that if someone else signs him they have to give us a draft pick in the same round the player was drafted. Abram Elam was not drafted, so we would get nothing. All we "get" is first refusal to match the Browns' contract. If he accepts a contract from the Browns and we match or exceed it, he has to sign that contract with us. Why would we ever exceed it? He gets his contract from the Browns. We match it to the letter, and he's ours otherwise he's theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Poteat, Elam. It is obvious what Mangini is doing. Bringing in guys who know how to play in his complicated prevent defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Why would we ever exceed it? He gets his contract from the Browns. We match it to the letter, and he's ours otherwise he's theirs. Right we wouldn't. Just sign him for what the Brownies offer, if they do offer at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Elam mad a lot of plays for us last year. I would like to keep him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Why would we ever exceed it? He gets his contract from the Browns. We match it to the letter, and he's ours otherwise he's theirs. Well, they might have to come up with a larger basic contract if he's guaranteed the equivalent of the national debt provided he plays four or more games in joisey. But I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 If he walks, he walks. We can find a reserve safety in the draft. He's inconsistent. I like him, but I wouldn't exactly be pissed if we lost him. If Cleveland is going to allow Mangini to make the Browns another Jets situation, so be it. Inconsistency all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Poteat, Elam. It is obvious what Mangini is doing. Bringing in guys who know how to play in his complicated prevent defense. Close, but not quite. Mangenius is bringing in the players that are only worthy of being backups and third-stringers in this league, the ones that made his prevent defense so successful last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Why would we ever exceed it? He gets his contract from the Browns. We match it to the letter, and he's ours otherwise he's theirs. If we wanted to tack on an extra year for the league minimum $, then we would definitely exceed the Browns' offer. Say Cleveland offers Elam 1 year at $1.3M. We decide to "exceed" that with $1.3M in 2009 and $400K (or whatever the vet minimum is) in 2010. Now he's under contract for a low cap number in 2010, which Elam may have turned down as an original offer from us before we tagged him with the low RFA tender. Frankly, if we're willing to match the Browns' offer, we'd be overtly myopic to not just add on 1 more year at the league minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 We gave him the low tender ($1.01M), which he has not signed yet. (I hardly blame Elam, as he has little chance of starting this season before becoming a UFA a year later.) Assigning him the low tender means that if someone else signs him they have to give us a draft pick in the same round the player was drafted. Abram Elam was not drafted, so we would get nothing. All we "get" is first refusal to match the Browns' contract. If he accepts a contract from the Browns and we match or exceed it, he has to sign that contract with us. I think that's stupid. We should get something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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