Rex hurts himself

[lancemehl]

Personally, I think Rex Ryan is ALREADY my favorite Jets head coach going back to walt and even including Parcells. I've always loved Buddy Ryan... anyway, with that said, he really hurts himself with his bravado. I think the players like it, and I don't care, but we are 10-5. We haven't won 11 or ten games too often in the last 40 years, and still the town acts like we're 7-9. No pass rush, #6 seed, can't beat NE, offense sucks...

He set the bar so friggin' high, and does every week, that we forget that this is the Jets.

[Maxman]

He has changed the culture of this franchise in a very short time frame.

Will the ultimately lead to his demise? Hopefully not but as he says, winning the Super Bowl is the goal. People are buying in to that. Wasn't the case a few years ago...

[SoFlaJets]

what do you mean he can't beat New England? We already have. We caught them at the worst possible time at the beginning of the month-they were red hot and we weren't. Trent Dilfer said something interesting the other day that no one else had even thought of: how WILL NE respond in the playoffs if they turn the ball over a few times? Are they built to withstand it? They haven't had an INT in a couple of months but fumbles and bad snaps and tipped balls and INT's even by the great (and he IS) Tom Brady are inevitable.

[#27TheDominator]

Personally, I think Rex Ryan is ALREADY my favorite Jets head coach going back to walt and even including Parcells. I've always loved Buddy Ryan... anyway, with that said, he really hurts himself with his bravado. I think the players like it, and I don't care, but we are 10-5. We haven't won 11 or ten games too often in the last 40 years, and still the town acts like we're 7-9. No pass rush, #6 seed, can't beat NE, offense sucks...

He set the bar so friggin' high, and does every week, that we forget that this is the Jets.

I agree that Rex hurts himself. I guess this is kind of what I'm fighting with BP about in the other thread. I don't care if Rex hurts himself. I only care if he hurts the Jets.

[tparich]

IMO the bravado is an intentional part of his plan to get more out of the players. If your mouth is writing checks that your players have to cash and the players are behind you then in theory there would be more effort to back up your coaches words. So even if they don't go all the way as a coach you at lesat hope they made if further then they would of had you set the bar lower or never said anything.

Rex might be right or wrong here but I think he feels the exact opposite of the people that it hurts them.

[DMaynard]

I think it is actually good. He has set the bar high, and that is good. Here we are at 10-5 with a playoff berth already locked with one game to go, and no one is happy. I can remember many Jet seasons where most fans would have been thrilled at this same point. It is more fun than talking about the upcoming draft with 3 or 4 games to go and fans actually hoping they will lose games to get a higher pick.

[Integrity28]

Bravado is not what hurts Rex, it is what gets him scrutinized easily. Think of it as the low-hanging fruit for the pessimistic, blood-thirsty, hoping he fails NY media.

What does hurt Rex is his lack of head coaching experience. If he was a more experienced head coach, he would have the attention to detail and preparation, in-game adjustment moxy, and game/clock management skills to go along with his unbelievable ability to motivate and possibly go from being a 9-10 win coach to a 11-12 win coach. Right now he is is a GREAT motivator and has a great scheme, but I would only describe the him as "good" at the rest... but he does have a very high aptitude for recognizing flaw/weakness and addressing it relatively quick.

He'll get there, its all a matter of time.

[DMaynard]

Bravado is not what hurts Rex, it is what gets him scrutinized easily. Think of it as the low-hanging fruit for the pessimistic, blood-thirsty, hoping he fails NY media.

What does hurt Rex is his lack of head coaching experience. If he was a more experienced head coach, he would have the attention to detail and preparation, in-game adjustment moxy, and game/clock management skills to go along with his unbelievable ability to motivate and possibly go from being a 9-10 win coach to a 11-12 win coach. Right now he is is a GREAT motivator and has a great scheme, but I would only describe the him as "good" at the rest... but he does have a very high aptitude for recognizing flaw/weakness and addressing it relatively quick.

He'll get there, its all a matter of time.

Excellent analysis.

[bitonti]

possibly go from being a 9-10 win coach to a 11-12 win coach.

just want to point out the Bills make win 11, if they get there.

i think sometimes Jets fans forget the other side gets paid too. when they lose it's all about "how do they fix the D" or "which coach should they fire"

ya know sometimes teams lose by 4 in snowstorm shootouts on the road. It's the NFL. all of these teams are ridiculously close in terms of athletic talent. The Vikings just hosed the Eagles at home as 14.5 point underdogs for pete's sake.

If it were predictable and easy we could all quit our jobs, move to Vegas and make living as professional sports gamblers.

[Integrity28]

just want to point out the Bills make win 11, if they get there.

i think sometimes Jets fans forget the other side gets paid too. when they lose it's all about "how do they fix the D" or "which coach should they fire"

ya know sometimes teams lose by 4 in snowstorm shootouts on the road. It's the NFL. all of these teams are ridiculously close in terms of athletic talent. The Vikings just hosed the Eagles at home as 14.5 point underdogs for pete's sake.

If it were predictable and easy we could all quit our jobs, move to Vegas and make living as professional sports gamblers.

I am aware of how many wins we will have if we win Sunday.

I am talking about consistency. I think if Rex doesn't change a thing, and has the type of talent he has on this team right now, he can consistently win 8-9 games. I think, given the same talent, if Rex improves in the areas I called out as his "good not great" qualities he becomes the type of coach that wins 11-12 games annually. The point being that he is a 2nd year head coach and he has shown tremendous aptitude for fixing problems quicker than any Jets coach in recent memory, so just think about how good a coach he'll be with 5 years of experience, or 10. Scary if you ask me.

[The Crusher]

Personally, I think Rex Ryan is ALREADY my favorite Jets head coach going back to walt and even including Parcells. I've always loved Buddy Ryan... anyway, with that said, he really hurts himself with his bravado. I think the players like it, and I don't care, but we are 10-5. We haven't won 11 or ten games too often in the last 40 years, and still the town acts like we're 7-9. No pass rush, #6 seed, can't beat NE, offense sucks...

He set the bar so friggin' high, and does every week, that we forget that this is the Jets.

I thought this thread was about Rex catching a Big Toe in the eye. Needs to stay healthy for the post season. Don;t need his damn eye tearing up and getting blurry when he's trying to read the freaking defense play sheet during the playoffs.

[BP]

He has changed the culture of this franchise in a very short time frame.

Will the ultimately lead to his demise? Hopefully not but as he says, winning the Super Bowl is the goal. People are buying in to that. Wasn't the case a few years ago...

Listen, I have to disagree. the only way the culture of the franchise changes is by winning a super bowl. the same old Jets saying will NEVER go away until they win the super bowl.

[BP]

I thought this thread was about Rex catching a Big Toe in the eye. Needs to stay healthy for the post season. Don;t need his damn eye tearing up and getting blurry when he's trying to read the freaking defense play sheet during the playoffs.

I thought he actually got hurt doing something too!

[KSJets]

Listen, I have to disagree. the only way the culture of the franchise changes is by winning a super bowl. the same old Jets saying will NEVER go away until they win the super bowl.

People said the same about Bill Parcells about him changing the losing culture of the team. I guess he failed as well since they didn't win the Super Bowl.

[BP]

People said the same about Bill Parcells about him changing the losing culture of the team. I guess he failed as well since they didn't win the Super Bowl.

Well, what he changed was the Jets being a competitive and respectful organization again. and you're right, he did fail at that (not getting a super bowl).

The same old Jets will always be brought up by somebody when something goes wrong UNTIL they win a super bowl. thats a culture change.

[SoFlaJets]

Well, what he changed was the Jets being a competitive and respectful organization again. and you're right, he did fail at that (not getting a super bowl).

The same old Jets will always be brought up by somebody when something goes wrong UNTIL they win a super bowl. thats a culture change.

I just don't like that SOJ stuff. hey Jim it's frigging hard to win a Super Bowl, there are 31 teams every year that don't. Also, I am not expecting us to win one this year either with the way that future hall of famer is playing to our north.

[BP]

I just don't like that SOJ stuff. hey Jim it's frigging hard to win a Super Bowl, there are 31 teams every year that don't. Also, I am not expecting us to win one this year either with the way that future hall of famer is playing to our north.

I don't like it either. it is hard to win a super bowl, but the facts are you're gonna keep hearing that crap until the Jets do win a super bowl. thats why I don't feed into any of the hype crap about how great the Jets are. I will believe it when theres no time left on the clock with the Jets having more points than the other team in the super bowl. our fanbase has adopted a Red Sox pre 2004 mentality. it is what it is.

[SoFlaJets]

I don't like it either. it is hard to win a super bowl, but the facts are you're gonna keep hearing that crap until the Jets do win a super bowl. thats why I don't feed into any of the hype crap about how great the Jets are. I will believe it when theres no time left on the clock with the Jets having more points than the other team in the super bowl. our fanbase has adopted a Red Sox pre 2004 mentality. it is what it is.

hopefully we live long enough to see another one bro-there are a lot of dead Red Sox fans between what, 1918 and 2005 that never did get to...

[Integrity28]

[Klecko73isGod]

I don't like it either. it is hard to win a super bowl, but the facts are you're gonna keep hearing that crap until the Jets do win a super bowl. thats why I don't feed into any of the hype crap about how great the Jets are. I will believe it when theres no time left on the clock with the Jets having more points than the other team in the super bowl. our fanbase has adopted a Red Sox pre 2004 mentality. it is what it is.

No. YOU have adopted that attitude, not the fanbase in general.

[Matt39]

I don't like it either. it is hard to win a super bowl, but the facts are you're gonna keep hearing that crap until the Jets do win a super bowl. thats why I don't feed into any of the hype crap about how great the Jets are. I will believe it when theres no time left on the clock with the Jets having more points than the other team in the super bowl. our fanbase has adopted a Red Sox pre 2004 mentality. it is what it is.

The chase is better than the catch anyway

[Maxman]

Listen, I have to disagree. the only way the culture of the franchise changes is by winning a super bowl. the same old Jets saying will NEVER go away until they win the super bowl.

You can disagree and be wrong. The culture is what people think, what they believe. Where the expectation level is at. Rex has changed all that.

[JoeWillie]

Personally, I think Rex Ryan is ALREADY my favorite Jets head coach going back to walt and even including Parcells. I've always loved Buddy Ryan... anyway, with that said, he really hurts himself with his bravado. I think the players like it, and I don't care, but we are 10-5. We haven't won 11 or ten games too often in the last 40 years, and still the town acts like we're 7-9. No pass rush, #6 seed, can't beat NE, offense sucks...

He set the bar so friggin' high, and does every week, that we forget that this is the Jets.

I posted this in a thread last week, but it's applicable here, because I agree with your basic premise that Rex makes it more difficult on both himself and his team.

For the record, I like Rex and I'm glad he's our coach. I think he's a brilliant defensive mind, who is still learning how to be a head coach both on and off the field, and I believe he will get even better as he coaches more games.

All that said, most of the criticism that he receives is self induced.

His arrogance and "off the field bravado" with his "mouthy style" make people who otherwise couldn't care less about the Jets, instead root to see them fail. It's human nature for people to want to see a bully get knocked on his a$$, which is why the Jets have become the most disliked team in the league.

Rex is quoted as saying he doesn't care what people think, that he will continue to "be himself", and while as a Jet fan, I wish he would take a little more humble approach, there is nothing wrong with it ... if you win, that is.

But there is also no arguing the fact that "the brashness" that he exhibits DOES put more pressure on him, his staff, and his team to win. It also causes people (i.e. front office types, media, fans, etc...) to have much LESS patience, because again, nobody likes a bully, especially a bully that is "all talk" and people will jump on a bully when he's down every chance they get.

My point is, that as much as I like Rex, I think he does his staff, his players, the Jets organization, and most of all, HIMSELF, a disservice because his bravado and bold attitude sets himself up for quicker criticism and a potentially shorter tenure.

Because in the end, if you act the way he does and don't win quickly, his type of behavior goes from being "refreshing" to "embarassing" very quickly and his act will begin to wear on both the media and even the most ardent Jets fans. And know one should know this more than Rex himself, because it's exactly what happened to his dad in both Philadelphia and Arizona, which is why I believe he'll eventually figure it out.

I'm not saying he needs to become Mangini or Belichick off the field. But he doesn't have to be Muhammad Ali either.

As a fan of this franchise for over 40 years, I hope he learns to "tone it down" a bit for his own sake. He's already done a few things as the face of this organization that would not be tolerated in many other organizations in this league, and frankly have been a little embarassing to even the most loyal fans of the team.

[DireJet38]

I don't think Rex gives a ****.

A) He's morbidly obese and has obviously done untold amounts of damage to his body, which, of course, doesn't bode well for his lifespan.

He's one leaked porno away from a CFL/Arena League debut.

Let's just hope he wins us a Super Bowl before the fireworks burn out.

[T0mShane]

Rex better keep winning. If he ever finds himself in the midst of a 4-12, 6-10-type season, the entire world will turn on him in a second. His mouth essentially costs him any benefit of the doubt he may have otherwise had.

[Maxman]

Rex better keep winning. If he ever finds himself in the midst of a 4-12, 6-10-type season, the entire world will turn on him in a second. His mouth essentially costs him any benefit of the doubt he may have otherwise had.

Win or lose, Rex will have to evolve so to speak. His brash style wouldn't last forever either way.

He is so much more calculated than people give him credit for. The foot video? A motivational ploy for his team. Just trying to get a leg up on the competition.

[Integrity28]

Let's just hope he wins us a Super Bowl before the fireworks burn out.

On a related note... I want to bang Katy Perry so bad. Her fireworks fly out of her boobies... mine fly out of my ape dick. RAarRGgghhhh!!!

[GimmeShelter]

I am aware of how many wins we will have if we win Sunday.

I am talking about consistency. I think if Rex doesn't change a thing, and has the type of talent he has on this team right now, he can consistently win 8-9 games. I think, given the same talent, if Rex improves in the areas I called out as his "good not great" qualities he becomes the type of coach that wins 11-12 games annually. The point being that he is a 2nd year head coach and he has shown tremendous aptitude for fixing problems quicker than any Jets coach in recent memory, so just think about how good a coach he'll be with 5 years of experience, or 10. Scary if you ask me.

I am a big Rex fan but what exactly has he fixed so quickly??

Our secondary at any position other than CB?

Our running game fall off? We needed Greene weeks ago as the feature back.

Now he gets the biggest kudos in the world from me "if" he has stepped in and added some changes to the offense the past few weeks.

Throwing to Keller again etc.

[BP]

No. YOU have adopted that attitude, not the fanbase in general.

Please go run and find a post of MINE where I said that mr Hero who owns everybody and pats himself on the back while he looks himself in the mirror and screams how important he really is on this Jets message board you keep bringing up nonsense garbage that is not true.

The chase is better than the catch anyway

For how long?

You can disagree and be wrong. The culture is what people think, what they believe. Where the expectation level is at. Rex has changed all that.

Who set the expectations really high this year? it was the Jets, and they fell short of what they were talking about. the fall is harder when you get too high when you're winning. hence this 1-3 roll were on down the stretch. I said back in November that December would give us a great gauge of how good this team is. and they have failed miserably. thank god they made the playoffs or it would have been a collapse of epic proportions.

[Integrity28]

I am a big Rex fan but what exactly has he fixed so quickly??

Our secondary at any position other than CB?

Our running game fall off? We needed Greene weeks ago as the feature back.

Now he gets the biggest kudos in the world from me "if" he has stepped in and added some changes to the offense the past few weeks.

Throwing to Keller again etc.

I guess I mean he steps in and attempts to fix things relatively quick, when compared to coaches of the past that let open wounds fester for years in their tenure.

[T0mShane]

I am a big Rex fan but what exactly has he fixed so quickly??

This is exactly true, and scary. So far, his great contribution to this Jets franchise has been installing that Baltimore defense, which has carried this team to two playoff appearances. Otherwise, he has yet to develop a draft pick or elevate the play of anyone already on the roster not named Mike Devito. Fortunately, the whole has been better than the sum of the parts.

[Dude Love]

I think it is actually good. He has set the bar high, and that is good. Here we are at 10-5 with a playoff berth already locked with one game to go, and no one is happy.

Because the Jets will have to win three games on the road to get to the SB.

We all know how this movie ends. It's played out.

[Dude Love]

For how long?

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

Right now he is is a GREAT motivator and has a great scheme, but I would only describe the him as "good" at the rest...

This is EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD me and my buddys used to say about Herm.........Best coach from Monday thru Saturday but once Sunday came all bets were off!

[Jetlag]

This is exactly true, and scary. So far, his great contribution to this Jets franchise has been installing that Baltimore defense, which has carried this team to two playoff appearances. Otherwise, he has yet to develop a draft pick or elevate the play of anyone already on the roster not named Mike Devito. Fortunately, the whole has been better than the sum of the parts.

These players have all improved their game under Rex Ryan Regime:

Brad Smith

Sione Pouha

Bryan Thomas

Drew Coleman

Wayne Hunter

Mark Sanchez (still inconsistent, but when he's on he looks real good)

Darrelle Revis