Josina Anderson has spoken

[Morrissey]

@JosinaAnderson

WR Kevin White to me on what the #Jets told him re: possb. of drafting him w/ Marshall & Decker on roster: "They told me we could have mismatches on the field at all times. I could play the 'X,' Brandon Marshall could play the 'Z' and Eric Decker can play the 'Y' in a hurry-up type offense. They said, if I'm the best guy on the board at the time, then it's never a bad idea to add another dominant receiver."

[chirorob]

@JosinaAnderson WR Kevin White to me on what the #Jets told him re: possb. of drafting him w/ Marshall & Decker on roster: (cont) http://tl.gd/n_1sm0jru

 

Well, that amounts to...  something.

 

If he is the best player on the board, they would take him there.  Fair enough.

 

You draft him, that extension to Kerley looks like money well spent....

[Ghost]

I can definitely see us drafting White if the top 5 picks go like this:

Winston

Mariota

Williams

Cooper

Fowler

[DaBallhawk]

What exactly did you expect? We set up visits with guys we're interested in and tell them they won't play? Macc/Bowles said the same crap to Amari I'm sure. And any other guy they set up visits with.

[CTM]

We don't have a #1, we don't have a good QB.. Hoping for Cooper

[AFJF]

ZOMG....the Jets told a player they were going to pick him....SOJ...incompetence...right?

[slats]

ZOMG....the Jets told a player they were going to pick him....SOJ...incompetence...right?

 

Beat me to it. Clear and present idiocy, no doubt. 

[Klecko73isGod]

I want White or Cooper. 

 

The thing that really excites me about the mismatches potentially created by having Marshall, Decker and Cooper/White on the field at the same time is there are really only a couple of teams with the secondary talent to match up against it and we are one of those teams!

 

BIG MAC!!!!

[prime21]

Josina seems to always get good Jet info.  I agree about the mismatches and this would be a good pick.  I think I would prefer Cooper over White but I'm not losing sleep over that.  You can still draft a LB or lineman in the 2nd round.

[Scott Dierking]

Beat me to it. Clear and present idiocy, no doubt. 

Wait, I didn't read where the Jets told him they would draft him if he were at that spot.

[CTM]

ZOMG....the Jets told a player they were going to pick him....SOJ...incompetence...right?

 

I don't see anyone reacting as if the Jets did something stupid here?

[AFJF]

Beat me to it. Clear and present idiocy, no doubt. 

 

I can't decide which outrages me more...another regime that tells players they're selecting them, or our head coach cracking flag football jokes at his presser the other day.  So much for being all business and not being here to entertain us.  SOJ.

[Beerfish]

Jets will trade down.  They will let some other team fall in love with White or Cooper or Williams or Fowler, trade down and still get a quality WR or pass rusher and other picks.  (Cooper would be very hard to pass up imo)

[Scott Dierking]

I can't decide which outrages me more...another regime that tells players they're selecting them, or our head coach cracking flag football jokes at his presser the other day.  So much for being all business and not being here to entertain us.  SOJ.

Rex is gone AFJF, let it go.

[Beerfish]

I can't decide which outrages me more...another regime that tells players they're selecting them, or our head coach cracking flag football jokes at his presser the other day.  So much for being all business and not being here to entertain us.  SOJ.

LOL..."They said, if I'm the best guy on the board at the time, then it's never a bad idea to add another dominant receiver."

 

That means they have told the guy they are going to draft him?  All teams will tell all players they like them and will think about drafting them.

[Beerfish]

Rex is gone AFJF, let it go.

Hughes already appears to be a natural fit for Ryan's scheme.

"You can put him anywhere, too," Ryan explained. "He can play as an end, play as an outside backer. He's definitely a physical player, he's a great athlete. Your great pass rushers have a feel for it. ... He has that. He's kind of like a starting pitcher with about four or five pitches, so he's one of those nightmares to go up against."

A bit of huckster, Ryan is easily excitable about the talent on his roster. He also raved about wideout Marquise Goodwin, a one-dimensional speedster who managed just a single reception last season.

Unlike Goodwin, Hughes has managed to transfer that impressive practice work into game production.

[AFJF]

LOL..."They said, if I'm the best guy on the board at the time, then it's never a bad idea to add another dominant receiver."

 

That means they have told the guy they are going to draft him?  All teams will tell all players they like them and will think about drafting them.

 

They do?  Teams tell players they'll take them?  Do they ever tell them they'll take them and then pass on them when they're still on the board?

[CTM]

Beat me to it. Clear and present idiocy, no doubt. 

 

I think you both beat anyone to actually reacting the way you are mocking

[AFJF]

I'd prefer Cooper...I think Oakland takes White...can't wait for this thing to get started.

[SouthernJet]

@JosinaAnderson

all true, but to me Amaro is biggest winner if we have white/marshall/decker/kerley.. amaro will NEVER have a CB on him, but s slow LB..Amaro will get many catches on his own but also will be the #1 safety valve for our QB..

[Scott Dierking]

They do?  Teams tell players they'll take them?  Do they ever tell them they'll take them and then pass on them when they're still on the board?

OK, I'll bite in this silly controversy. How many players did Rex Ryan tell he was definitely going to take if they were at the jets spot, and then didn't?

 

is this what we want to talk about today?

[AFJF]

I think you both beat anyone to actually reacting the way you are mocking

 

Kind of proves a big part of the issue...the double standard is hilarious.

 

Either way...Cooper vs. White question is a good one.  I think I'd like Cooper based on larger body of work.

[AFJF]

all true, but to me Amaro is biggest winner if we have white/marshall/decker/kerley.. amaro will NEVER have a CB on him, but s slow LB..Amaro will get many catches on his own but also will be the #1 safety valve for our QB..

 

If he can hang on to the football he could have a huge season....he had A LOT of easy drops last season.

[Shadetree]

I don't want White... im just not a believer...his college career? Eh. Where was he the rest of his career?

 

What was the competition like at WVU? Too risky to take White, IMO.

 

Id rather trade down than take White. If youre enamored with his combine and/or size and speed numbers, take Green-Beckham later and get extra picks.

 

I hope Im wrong if they take him, but I really don't like the idea of taking a WVU WR at #6. I would take Beasley over White in a heartbeat.

[Klecko73isGod]

They do?  Teams tell players they'll take them?  Do they ever tell them they'll take them and then pass on them when they're still on the board?

 

Yes. 

[AFJF]

Yes. 

 

Interesting.

 

Would you prefer White or Cooper?

[Klecko73isGod]

I don't want White... im just not a believer...his college career? Eh. Where was he the rest of his career. West Virginia? Where was his competition.

 

Id rather trade down than take White. If youre enamored with his combine and/or size and speed numbers, take Green-Beckham later and get extra picks.

 

I hope Im wrong if they take him, but I really don't like the idea of taking a WVU WR at #6. I would take Beasley over White in a heartbeat.

 

Where did Jerry Rice play his college ball again?

 

College competition is meaningless. 

[Klecko73isGod]

Interesting.

 

Would you prefer White or Cooper?

 

I prefer White because of his size. He's built like Larry Fitzgerald. 

[Shadetree]

If he can hang on to the football he could have a huge season....he had A LOT of easy drops last season.

 

 

Yup....too many drops...if ha can straighten that out, he'll force teams to account for him. If not, he's not scaring ANYONE.

[Shadetree]

Where did Jerry Rice play his college ball again?

 

College competition is meaningless. 

 

great point.

 

Gut-feeling then, I guess. When did people start saying White was #2 WR in nation? Were they talking about him before year started, mid year? end of year?  I feel like when a guy emerges late as a top prospect, I get nervous and become a non believer.

[AFJF]

I prefer White because of his size. He's built like Larry Fitzgerald. 

 

Yep...I like both of em.  Crazy to think that a lot of these guys we're raving about are going to be forgotten in a few years.  Let's hope it's not whoever the Jets go with.

[Patriot Killa]

I bet you this is a leak to get Okaland to select White at #4. Amari is the clear cut #1.

[AFJF]

great point.

 

Gut-feeling then, I guess. When did people start saying White was #2 WR in nation? Were they talking about him before year started, mid year? end of year?  I feel like when a guy emerges late as a top prospect, I get nervous and become a non believer.

 

I like both players but I understand the competition concerns.  It can end up meaning nothing, but when fans have three or four months to pick apart every single thing about a player, stuff like that comes up.

 

If he fails, people will say a team was silly to take him based on his competition...if he succeeds, those same people will say the team was brilliant for ignoring his competition.

[Dcat]

Where did Jerry Rice play his college ball again?

 

College competition is meaningless. 

 

You can't fault White for his start in JUCO.  

 

Yes, this is from a fantasy site, but Pete is a very good offensoive player analyst:

 

Full article w/video: http://rotobahn.com/scouting-report-kevin-white-wr-west-virginia/

 

 

Scouting Report: Kevin White, WR, West Virginia

Don't hesitate. Just draft this guy.

By: Pete Davidson : March 22, 2015 9:21am

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If your are looking for negative information on Kevin White, you’ll need to find a new internet in some parallel universe.  The draft community loves White and so do we.  And, to be frank, I went into my film work on White with suspicious eyes. I’m always a little cautious with the more hyped up players, and I wanted to find White’s flaws. Instead, what I have found is a potential fantasy monster. A monster without any red flags (that I care about) or fatal flaws.

I have heard some mild criticism of White. Some folks, for example, want to know why he came out of nowhere. While it’s true that White exploded statistically in 2014, I don’t think he came out of nowhere, and you have to consider his path. White was a JUCO transfer in 2013. As I have said in the past, JUCO guys are often unfairly greeted with skepticism.

Then there’s his age. Age is a hot button stat these days and I have to say that this often makes me laugh. Sure, in some extreme cases, age is a material factor. Brandon Weeden is a prime example of this. Conversely, players who leave early can often be forgiven for a lack of refined technique due to less time at the collegiate level.  You always want to have proper context.  Obviously, players usually leave early because they can. Those who do are often the elite talents. Hence, you will see a correlation between being young and having success at the next level. That being said, do we really need flow charts and stat models for this? Of course not. We just need to be cognizant of all the factors with each particular player. In short, a player usually leaves early because he’s very good. He’s not very good because he’s leaving early.

Back to White. Yes, he is going to be a slightly older-than-normal rookie. He’ll be 22-years old by the time the 2015 season kicks off. Is that any reason to downgrade him even slightly? Heck no. That’s because there are reasons for his age relative to his station on the typical NFL career path. White was hurt back in 2010. He sat out an entire season with a shoulder injury and missed another because he could not afford junior college tuition. How is this a reason to downgrade him now? To me, it is no reason at all. The only thing I take from it is that White would be in the NFL right now if not for circumstance.

If anything, the above serves as an explanation as to why White has such a large chip on his shoulder. A chip that seems to serve him well and that was on display at the combine. When asked why he should be taken first White did not hold back.  “I don't feel that any receiver can do what I can do. Whether it's blocking, creating space, taking a tunnel screen to the house. I do it all. Don't feel like guys can do what I can do. Not saying that to be cocky, just confident. I feel like I'm one of a kind.”   I’d say he’s arrogant, but we had a similar reaction to his game film. Nobody else in this class does what he does.

COMBINE

• Height - 6’3”
• Weight - 215
• Hand - 9 1/4”
• 40 - 4.35
• Bench - 23
• Vertical - 36.5”
• Broad - 9’10”
• 3 Cone - 6.92
• 20 Yd Shuttle - 4.14
• 60 Yd Shuttle - 11.52

These numbers are impressive for sure. Doubts about his speed (yes, some had doubts) were erased in Indianapolis and White’s place near the top of the draft was solidified.

ATTRIBUTES

• Toughness - White holds up exceedingly well to contact when the ball is in flight. This guy draws penalties like nobody’s business, and a lot of the time, he makes the play despite being interfered with. This is a very good indicator of success at the next level where the rules protect him after five yards.
• Speed - It’s easy to see on film. Watch what happens when the ball is in flight. For a big man, White has jets.
• Size - He’s the prototypical package when it comes to build.
• Hands - No problems here. White uses his hands well and can catch the ball away from his body. He’ll also make the spectacular grab from time to time.
• Separation - Once White is off the line, the defender is in big trouble. He separates well and he can do it in a flash. If he had played with a better quarterback, the highlight reel would have gone on forever. As I alluded to, he draws more pass interference calls than any college receiver I have ever scouted, and it’s because he beats single coverage so cleanly. Average defenders have little choice but to body and grab and hope for some leniency from the officials.
• Ball skills - He has an alpha or “my ball” mentality and he’s got the ability to convert. White tracks the ball well and can make catches from most angles. He makes the over-the-shoulder catch and will elevate over defenders and high-point the football.  He's a serious handful down near the goal line.
• Release - If there is an area where White can and may need to improve, this is it. Don’t get me wrong, he gets off the line very well—better than most college receivers. He’ll chew up cushion in a flash, but against press coverage, he’s just good. If he gets better against the jam, he can be truly special at the next level. The reason I emphasize this is because, this is what teams are going to throw at him. They are going to bang him at the line and give help over the top. White already has the mentality to handle this. He faced plenty of extra coverage while playing at West Virginia. He just needs a little more advanced technique and a little more savvy. Both should be natural functions of time.
• Routes - White’s routes are good for a college receiver. He has room for improvement as most college guys do, because he’s really not asked to run the full tree. Still, from what we see on film, he can do it. We like his slant and his double-move in particular. I do notice that he has some trouble when he’s confronted mid-stem, but that’s a tactic defenders cannot employ at the next level. In the NFL, it’s hands off after five yards.  He's also tough on the goal line fade, which you will see if you watch the game film against Baylor.
• Strength - His combine numbers say that he’s strong, but White shows tons of strength when you watch his film, too. His strength is measurable but also functional. This box is checked.
• Blocking - White blocks for his teammates, passionately, and he has the physical tools to be outstanding as a pro in this area. It’s an added plus and one of the things that separates him from the pack and he takes great pride in it.“Blocking separates receivers. I feel like to have a successful offense, receivers have to block, and that's what separates me. I love to block, I love to manhandle guys, I'll continue to do that.”
• Production - Just look at what White did last season.  We are not into college stats as predictors for the next level, but White was impressive nonetheless.

 

FILM ROOM

CONCLUSION

Now, is he at Julio Jones’ level as a prospect like some folks claim? Not quite. He’s a baby Julio maybe. Jones is a little bigger and a little better getting out of breaks. Julio has bigger hands and jumps a little higher. He’s more explosive overall.  I’d say that White exists in the area between Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins. Not bad, right? There are some meaningful comparisons to Larry Fitzgerald as well.  

So what is White’s value for fantasy purposes? It’s high. Really high. In fact, he’d be my first choice in rookie drafts right now. Could that change if he goes to the wrong team? Maybe, but I doubt it. He checks too many of the crucial fantasy boxes.

• Size
• Speed
• Ball skills
• Red Zone prowess
• Will be a high pick
• Should play a lot as a rookie

It’s hard to envision White going to a team that can afford to slow roll  him as a rookie. He’s a good bet to be some team’s number one receiver by the end of 2015, if not sooner. He’s the big prize in dynasty drafts and he should be a target in redraft leagues as well—perhaps at the WR2 level in 12-team formats.

Kevin White is a stud, folks.

 

[AFJF]

Yup....too many drops...if ha can straighten that out, he'll force teams to account for him. If not, he's not scaring ANYONE.

 

If he pans out and the Jets go with Cooper or White...the offense could actually be fun to watch.