Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 It's not hard to improve on a flaming pile of sh*t. But just for fun, let's see how the roster flip is looking, position by position, now that the draft is complete: QB 2014: Geno Smith, Michael Vick, Matt Simms 2015: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Smith, Bryce Petty, Simms EDGE: 2015 RB 2014: Chris Ivory, Chris Johnson, Bilal Powell, John Conner (FB), Tommy Bohanon (FB) 2015: Ivory, Stevan Ridley, Powell, Zac Stacy, Bohanon EDGE: 2015 WR 2014: Eric Decker, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Kerley, Greg Salas, Quincy Enunwa, TJ Graham, Chris Owusu, Shaq Evans 2015: Decker, Brandon Marshall, Kerley, Devin Smith, DeVier Posey, Enunwa, Owusu, Evans EDGE: 2015 TE 2014: Jace Amaro, Jeff Cumberland, Zach Sudfeld 2015: Amaro, Cumberland, Kellen Davis, Sudfeld EDGE: Even (Though it is assumed that Amaro will show progress) OT 2014: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Breno Giacomini, Oday Aboushi, Ben Ijalana 2015: Ferguson, Giacomini, Aboushi, Sean Hooey, Corey Hilliard, Ijalana EDGE: Even (Could go either way: Aboushi, assumed to be getting groomed for RT, emerges, OR Ferguson starts to decline) Guard 2014: Willie Colon, Brian Winters, Aboushi, Dakota Dozier 2015: James Carpenter, Colon, Dozier, Aboushi, Winters, Jarvis Harrison EDGE: 2015 Center 2014: Nick Mangold, Dalton Freeman, Wesley Johnson 2015: Mangold, Freeman, Johnson EDGE: Even NT 2014: Damon Harrison, Kenrick Ellis 2015: Harrison, Deon Simon EDGE: 2014 DT/DE 2014: Muhammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Leger Douzable, TJ Barnes 2015: Wilkerson, Richardson, Leonard Williams, Barnes, Douzable, Kevin Vickerson, Stephen Bowen EDGE: 2015 DE/OLB 2014: Quinton Coples, Calvin Pace, Jason Babin, Ik Enemkpali, Trevor Reilly, Jermaine Cunningham 2015: Coples, Pace, Babin, Lorenzo Mauldin, Enemkpali, Reilly EDGE: 2015 ILB 2014: Demario Davis, David Harris, Nick Bellore 2015: Davis, Harris, Joe Mays, Jamari Lattimore, Erin Henderson EDGE: 2015 CB 2014: Dee Milliner, Kyle Wilson, Dexter McDougle, Darrin Walls, Marcus Williams, Phillip Adams 2015: Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Srkine, Milliner, McDougle, Williams, Walls, Curtis Brown EDGE: 2015 FS 2014: Dawan Landry, Antonio Allen 2015: Marcus Gilchrist, Allen EDGE: 2015 SS 2014: Calvin Pryor, Jaiquawn Jarrett, Rontez Miles 2015: Pryor, Jarrett, Miles EDGE: Even Special Teams 2014: Nick Folk, Ryan Quigley, Tanner Purdum, Harvin (KR), Kerley (PR) 2015: Folk, Quigley, Purdum, Devin Smith (KR)??, Kerley (PR) EDGE: Even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 So... 8 wins instead of 4? ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 So... 8 wins instead of 4? ;p 16-0, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Rookies are meaningless until we see them play a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Rookies are meaningless until we see them play a season. I got my hammer! I got my hammer at safety! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I got my hammer! I got my hammer at safety! You been drinking again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 You been drinking again? Ask me when I have stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 Rookies are meaningless until we see them play a season. The only positions where this comment really applies would be on the DL and the DE/OLB pass rusher spots, since we had free agent additions/trade acquisitions at every other spot where we added a rookie (QB, WR, G). I gave NT an "even" result after replacing Kenrick Ellis with a 7th round rookie. I suppose you could argue we were stronger there last year by default, even if Ellis ended up a disappointment. However, for DE/DT.....Yes, Leonard Williams is a rookie. He was also the top-rated rookie, at any position, by most experts. So I don't think I'm stepping out of line by saying we're already improved there. No chance we take the "risk" of drafting a guy at a position where there is zero need if we don't think he's a truly special talent there. And as for the DE/OLB spot, yes, it's difficult to assume much about Mauldin. But given that we are exactly the same at the position otherwise, is it much of a stretch to say that adding a fresh rookie generally rated about where we took him makes us at least slightly better at that position as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 The only positions where this comment really applies would be on the DL and the DE/OLB pass rusher spots, since we had free agent additions/trade acquisitions at every other spot where we added a rookie (QB, WR, G). I gave NT an "even" result after replacing Kenrick Ellis with a 7th round rookie. I suppose you could argue we were stronger there last year by default, even if Ellis ended up a disappointment. However, for DE/DT.....Yes, Leonard Williams is a rookie. He was also the top-rated rookie, at any position, by most experts. So I don't think I'm stepping out of line by saying we're already improved there. No chance we take the "risk" of drafting a guy at a position where there is zero need if we don't think he's a truly special talent there. And as for the DE/OLB spot, yes, it's difficult to assume much about Mauldin. But given that we are exactly the same at the position otherwise, is it much of a stretch to say that adding a fresh rookie generally rated about where we took him makes us at least slightly better at that position as well? I think they are hoping Barnes replaces Ellis. Supposedly Bowles plays more 1-gap which would be more VIckerson's forte. Vickerson is up around 328 know and is probably an upgrade from Ellis at anything other than straight NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Doing better thdn Idzik is setting the bar really low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 The only positions where this comment really applies would be on the DL and the DE/OLB pass rusher spots, since we had free agent additions/trade acquisitions at every other spot where we added a rookie (QB, WR, G). I gave NT an "even" result after replacing Kenrick Ellis with a 7th round rookie. I suppose you could argue we were stronger there last year by default, even if Ellis ended up a disappointment. However, for DE/DT.....Yes, Leonard Williams is a rookie. He was also the top-rated rookie, at any position, by most experts. So I don't think I'm stepping out of line by saying we're already improved there. No chance we take the "risk" of drafting a guy at a position where there is zero need if we don't think he's a truly special talent there. And as for the DE/OLB spot, yes, it's difficult to assume much about Mauldin. But given that we are exactly the same at the position otherwise, is it much of a stretch to say that adding a fresh rookie generally rated about where we took him makes us at least slightly better at that position as well? Gholston was a rookie as well once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Thanks for posting- Really striking how much better the team is everywhere. It may not translate to the playoffs but at least there is hope. Mac spent his money well and had a good draft but now he fades to the back and the light shifts to Bowles. He has the groceries, time to make dinner. The GM did his job and now its the coaches turn to do his. Funny that the OP used "Edge" 2015 when really there is a cliff in most instances, I can't wait for the pre-season games just to see ll these guys compete. I seriously am looking forward to our UDFA's playong, we got 2 decent LB's, a FS and a TE that have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Gholston was a rookie as well once. So was Randy Moss - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 It frankly amazes me how unrelentingly negative and "doom and gloom" some posters are. The Jets have brought in high quality starters on both offense and defense, filled a number of gaps with competitive journeymen, and had a stellar draft. That, I would think, should at least offer some hope for a competitive and fun season. Playoffs? SB's? That's a stretch right now but not impossible to say the least. If things are not looking up, you ain't looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Strong roster, looks like 10-6 to me. Only 2 weaknesses are QB of course. And 3rd back. Guess Powell (yawn) will fill that role. Would've really liked Vereen or drafted Duke Johnson. We reall need that back who can catch a 2 yard pass and convert a 3rd and 6 to extend a drive, we've been missing that for years. I also think Geno will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 Gholston was a rookie as well once. You're right. Let's never acquire highly touted rookies. Just trade all your picks for proven commodities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 It's almost as if someone set a plan in motion, oh, three years ago, to dump old, bloated salaries in order to obtain a bunch of cap room and draft picks in an attempt to rebuild the franchise in, oh, three/four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 Strong roster, looks like 10-6 to me. Only 2 weaknesses are QB of course. And 3rd back. Guess Powell (yawn) will fill that role. Would've really liked Vereen or drafted Duke Johnson. We reall need that back who can catch a 2 yard pass and convert a 3rd and 6 to extend a drive, we've been missing that for years. I also think Geno will be fine RT is our biggest weakness behind QB. Maybe even the biggest weakness. Hopefully Aboushi becomes a capable starter there if/when Breno falters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 It's almost as if someone set a plan in motion, oh, three years ago, to dump old, bloated salaries in order to obtain a bunch of cap room and draft picks in an attempt to rebuild the franchise in, oh, three/four years. Then the 2014 draft happened. Idzik was the right man to get rid of the bad contracts. But not the right guy to finish the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 You forgot the improvement in the coaching department as well. Rex aside his list of buddy assistants is one of the worst group of coaches in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 why didnt we sign drc i mean come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Then the 2014 draft happened. Idzik was the right man to get rid of the bad contracts. But not the right guy to finish the plan. I remember when you did one of these to show what a great job Idzik had done with the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I remember when you did one of these to show what a great job Idzik had done with the roster. #FriendZoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Then the 2014 draft happened. Idzik was the right man to get rid of the bad contracts. But not the right guy to finish the plan. a monkey or pac could dump contracts and go 4-12.. plan, lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 You missed our new blocking TE Kellen Davis. I expect him to beat out Cumberland or Sudfeld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 I remember when you did one of these to show what a great job Idzik had done with the roster. Yeah but for that one I wrote a paragraph for each position on the field and I didn't do that this time so there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 You missed our new blocking TE Kellen Davis. I expect him to beat out Cumberland or Sudfeld. Blah blah blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Blah blah blah blah blah Just stop it, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 It's almost as if someone set a plan in motion, oh, three years ago, to dump old, bloated salaries in order to obtain a bunch of cap room and draft picks in an attempt to rebuild the franchise in, oh, three/four years. For all we know he was hoarding cash to put rims on all the pencil sharpeners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 For all we know he was hoarding cash to put rims on all the pencil sharpeners. This was my thought but I kept it to myself to help my argument, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 Just stop it, lol. Neverrrrrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 You're right. Let's never acquire highly touted rookies. Just trade all your picks for proven commodities. Not remotely what I meant. My whole point was rookies can't be taken into consideration when talking about how good a team is going to be. I think Wiiliams is a beast and Tampa is going to be regretting not taking him for a long time but no one has any idea how good he'll be in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Strong roster, looks like 10-6 to me. Only 2 weaknesses are QB of course. And 3rd back. Guess Powell (yawn) will fill that role. Would've really liked Vereen or drafted Duke Johnson. We reall need that back who can catch a 2 yard pass and convert a 3rd and 6 to extend a drive, we've been missing that for years. I also think Geno will be fine I don't understand the bolded. Powell can do exactly what Vereen did and catch that 2 yd pass and turn it into something much bigger. Difference is Vereen played with a future HOF QB and Powell played with.... well you know this story. I think Powell is going to surprise ppl when Gailey uses him the right way. I would have liked Vereen too but I'm not upset BECAUSE I have a player like Powell. He is the most consistent player we have had on offense that isn't named Mangold or Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 My whole point was rookies can't be taken into consideration when talking about how good a team is going to be. Haha why not? This is an internet discussion forum is it not? Where is that in the rule book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Haha why not? This is an internet discussion forum is it not? Where is that in the rule book? Yup and that's what we're doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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