Fed Hill Jet Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 We've all heard that Darron Lee is too small to play MLB and is gonna just suck next year. This has been bothering me, so I looked into the top MLB's ever to get a better idea of size and shape. This list came from a 2014 football site, Athlon sport life I think, so Luke Keuchly is not on it and you may not agree with the ranking but I think it represents a pretty comprehensive list. Regardless, its a pretty good comparison of the best MLB's and its pretty telling. This basically tells me that Darron Lee falls above average in height (go figure) and just below average in weight to some of the "prototypical" MLB's in history. His height listing has been 6'1 or 6'2 but I put him at 6'1. His weight has ranged from 229 in his OSU stats to 232 in his draft profile. I went with 232 since he is only getting bigger than his college weight. I included one of my fav's on the list - Kyle Clifton, who is actually bigger than D Lee in both categories...hmmm I would really like to know where this tag is coming from that he is small. Please tell me where I am going wrong. Of course, we may hear that its base 3-4 blah blah...Ray Lewis did fine in both bases and honestly, today's D coordinators run so many different schemes based on their own talent and the offensive personnel does this even matter any more? Anyhow, the list below includes MLBs who played in 4-3, 3-4, 46, 5-2 etc.... He's right in the average range of the best MLBs ever to play the game then, physically he's got it. When he goes out on the field, he will look like a MLB. So I think beyond the physical it comes down to mind and heart. Does he have the passion for the game and the desire to be the best? I like what I have seen from him so far, but only time will tell... MLB name Height H-inches Weight Ray Lewis 6-1 73 245 Jack Lambert 6-4 76 220 Dick Butkus 6-3 75 245 Mike Singletary 6-0 72 230 Ray Nitschke 6-3 75 235 Bill George 6-2 74 237 Junior Seau 6-3 75 250 Chuck Bednarik 6-3 75 233 Nick Buoniconti 5-11 71 220 Brian Urlacher 6-4 76 258 Patrick Willis 6-1 73 242 Joe Schmidt 6-1 73 220 Willie Lanier 6-1 73 245 Sam Huff 6-1 73 230 Harry Carson 6-2 74 237 Lee Roy Jordan 6-1 73 221 Zach Thomas 5-11 71 230 Randy Gradishar 6-3 75 233 Les Richter 6-3 75 238 Karl Mecklenburg 6-3 75 240 Ken Norton Jr. 6-2 74 254 James Farrior 6-2 74 242 Hardy Nickerson 6-2 74 230 London Fletcher 5-10 70 245 Tedy Bruschi 6-1 73 247 Kyle Clifton 6-4 76 236 Darron Lee 6-2 74 232 Average 73.77778 236.8519 Mean 73.7619 236.6408 Low number 70 220 High number 76 258 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Hardy Nickerson! I still have his football card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Nice work, but I think we read to much into his postion. In the modern NFL the sub package, usually Nickle D, Is used most of the time. It's what Lee's been drafted for, not to be a beast against the run but to cover backs out the backfield, Tight Ends, and Slot guys. He's the new Moneybacker has some call it, or Hybrid LB/S. Either way he may be fast but can he actually cover time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 TBH, I don't think Lee will actually be "Lined Up" in any typical position. Like Buchanon on Arizona, Bowles will be moving this guy all over the field. His ability to grasp his assignments will determine his impact this yr. It may prove difficult for OL trying to get to him at the 2nd level because of his speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 A lot of those guys weren't at those weights when they 1st came into the league, Teddy Bruschi @ 247? Doubt he was that weight as a rookie. The best comparisons are the Davis & Keuckly from the Panthers, Bobby Wagner, guys like that. The 1st time he comes flying in like missile to take down RB on a swing pass or breaks up a pass on a wheel right, Jet fans will be like, "oh, ok, now I know why Bowles liked this guy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Lee has said since he was drafted that he is 237/238 now. The 232 even though it really doesn't matter is what he weighed at the combine I think and probably what he will end up weighing at the end of his rookie year (which is normal for rookies) as his body adjusts and he figures out a nutrition plan that helps him retain those extra 6 pounds in the future. But I agree with others, it really doesn't matter, he looks strong and fast and that is what is more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fed Hill Jet Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 7 hours ago, BurnleyJet said: Nice work, but I think we read to much into his postion. In the modern NFL the sub package, usually Nickle D, Is used most of the time. It's what Lee's been drafted for, not to be a beast against the run but to cover backs out the backfield, Tight Ends, and Slot guys. He's the new Moneybacker has some call it, or Hybrid LB/S. Either way he may be fast but can he actually cover time will tell. Totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Lee compares favorably to a majority of everyone on the list. Unfortunately, a majority of the players on this list came from the 1940s. Thats like saying I'm "computer savvy" compared to a list of businessmen from the early 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 P Willy style, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 The Moneybacker has no equals. No lists can list him. He doesn't even play a position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 You're basing your comparisons on players who played when DL/OL weighed 260-270lbs.... now they're 300+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 It's a mistake to attempt to do something like this across 50 years of football. As pointed out, the game has changed, the player measurable have changed, the speed has changed, and the functions of LB's has evolved with the shift from power run games to dominant passing attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fed Hill Jet Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: 2 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: The Moneybacker has no equals. No lists can list him. He doesn't even play a position. Lee compares favorably to a majority of everyone on the list. Unfortunately, a majority of the players on this list came from the 1940s. Thats like saying I'm "computer savvy" compared to a list of businessmen from the early 70s. That's funny...You may want to read the list again. As I mentioned before, disagree with the names on the list? Then add more and better comparisons. This is basically some of the best ever, unfortunately not all of them played since you started watching football. Hows this: MLB name Height H-inches Weight Ray Lewis 6-1 73 245 Junior Seau 6-3 75 250 Brian Urlacher 6-4 76 258 Patrick Willis 6-1 73 242 Zach Thomas 5-11 71 230 Karl Mecklenburg 6-3 75 240 Ken Norton Jr. 6-2 74 254 James Farrior 6-2 74 242 Hardy Nickerson 6-2 74 230 London Fletcher 5-10 70 245 Tedy Bruschi 6-1 73 247 Average 73.45455 243.9091 Add Luke Kuechly if you want. If I recall, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were pretty computer saavy in the 70's How are their companies doing now? Glad you enjoyed the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 19 hours ago, Fed Hill Jet said: This has been bothering me, Why has this bothered you ? What sense does it make to have 2 ILBer at 250 lbs, when neither can cover or make plays from sideline to sideline ? What the Jets have now, is what they should always have had. Harris to blow up the LOS and make the hole that hopefully Lee can storm through and send Tom Brady into force retirement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Many people said that Lee would suck because of his weight. Those same people changed their tune the moment they heard the weight of Luke Kuechly. Then all of a sudden they now state comparisons to Luke Kuechly. Telvin Smith is a hair over 220LBS and he's one of the best linebackers in all of football. Just ignore the noise. We'll find out what Lee is once football starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fed Hill Jet Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Tinstar said: Why has this bothered you ? What sense does it make to have 2 ILBer at 250 lbs, when neither can cover or make plays from sideline to sideline ? What the Jets have now, is what they should always have had. Harris to blow up the LOS and make the hole that hopefully Lee can storm through and send Tom Brady into force retirement . Clearly you get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Johnathan Vilma 6 1" 230. Led the saints defense to a championship. Thank you for this post, it demonstrates how confused some folks on this site are. Lee is slightly taller than the average, that is fact, meaning every post about his size has been non factual psycho babble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I can't tell you how excited I am about this squad of LBers! They're fast, strong and ferocious! If we get quality play from CB/S positions, this defense will win us a lot of games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 On May 21, 2016 at 1:59 AM, Fed Hill Jet said: We've all heard that Darron Lee is too small to play MLB and is gonna just suck next year. This has been bothering me, so I looked into the top MLB's ever to get a better idea of size and shape. This list came from a 2014 football site, Athlon sport life I think, so Luke Keuchly is not on it and you may not agree with the ranking but I think it represents a pretty comprehensive list. Regardless, its a pretty good comparison of the best MLB's and its pretty telling. This basically tells me that Darron Lee falls above average in height (go figure) and just below average in weight to some of the "prototypical" MLB's in history. His height listing has been 6'1 or 6'2 but I put him at 6'1. His weight has ranged from 229 in his OSU stats to 232 in his draft profile. I went with 232 since he is only getting bigger than his college weight. I included one of my fav's on the list - Kyle Clifton, who is actually bigger than D Lee in both categories...hmmm I would really like to know where this tag is coming from that he is small. Please tell me where I am going wrong. Of course, we may hear that its base 3-4 blah blah...Ray Lewis did fine in both bases and honestly, today's D coordinators run so many different schemes based on their own talent and the offensive personnel does this even matter any more? Anyhow, the list below includes MLBs who played in 4-3, 3-4, 46, 5-2 etc.... He's right in the average range of the best MLBs ever to play the game then, physically he's got it. When he goes out on the field, he will look like a MLB. So I think beyond the physical it comes down to mind and heart. Does he have the passion for the game and the desire to be the best? I like what I have seen from him so far, but only time will tell... MLB name Height H-inches Weight Ray Lewis 6-1 73 245 Jack Lambert 6-4 76 220 Dick Butkus 6-3 75 245 Mike Singletary 6-0 72 230 Ray Nitschke 6-3 75 235 Bill George 6-2 74 237 Junior Seau 6-3 75 250 Chuck Bednarik 6-3 75 233 Nick Buoniconti 5-11 71 220 Brian Urlacher 6-4 76 258 Patrick Willis 6-1 73 242 Joe Schmidt 6-1 73 220 Willie Lanier 6-1 73 245 Sam Huff 6-1 73 230 Harry Carson 6-2 74 237 Lee Roy Jordan 6-1 73 221 Zach Thomas 5-11 71 230 Randy Gradishar 6-3 75 233 Les Richter 6-3 75 238 Karl Mecklenburg 6-3 75 240 Ken Norton Jr. 6-2 74 254 James Farrior 6-2 74 242 Hardy Nickerson 6-2 74 230 London Fletcher 5-10 70 245 Tedy Bruschi 6-1 73 247 Kyle Clifton 6-4 76 236 Darron Lee 6-2 74 232 Average 73.77778 236.8519 Mean 73.7619 236.6408 Low number 70 220 High number 76 258 Wow, so like every rookie in the history of the NFL, he has to get a bit more muscle and learn how to make the jump from college to pro ball. What a revelation. That really discounts him from being a good player in the NFL. Don't worry though, the Jets have a coaching staff and a practice facility and weight room with trainers at Florham park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 The Jim Butkus comparison is a poignant one. I think that team overachieved big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 he is a $LB they will being comparing future $LB's to Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 2 hours ago, BroadwayJoe12 said: The Jim Butkus comparison is a poignant one. I think that team overachieved big time. jim butkus??? never heard of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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