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JustInFudge

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14 hours ago, Dcat said:

yes you are.  Your "reading between the lines" is more like creative fiction rather than logical inference.   "Obvious"?  LOL, come on!  Nothing you said is "obvious".  Well, maybe in your imaginative mind.  How about just using the actual words spoken? ... that McCown is capable of playing and has talent.  If in your mind that says "McCown is our starter", then perhaps you should be just a tad more literal.  Or stop the mind altering drugs. LOL

And you never answered my question, who's your money on to be the Jets starter? 

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What are you guys smoking? Jets need azzes in the seats at MetLife, you honestly believe fans will be getting up for a 38 year old loser who's lost 20 of his last 22 games,lol.

This offseason is Petty vs Hackenberg or another rookie QB chosen in this draft. The other thing that makes me laugh is this 0-16 talk. You guys make it sound like the NFL is loaded with great teams. The NFL isn't that good anymore, the Jets could easily stuff Miamis run game & put Tannyhill into the turf headfirst. The Bills? Ooh, scary,lol.

Jets aint making no playoffs but to completely write them off as non competitive is short sighted. Leo might be the best Dlineman in football in 2017 regarding his trajectory. We suffered a mutiltude of injuries, maybe we stay healthy? Some of these young guys could take huge steps this year, Lee, Jenkins, Burris, Shell, Johnson, maybe one of the safeties shines, Middleton or Martin, Maccs draft could be one of his best ever? 

Im very excited about the rebuild. Looking forward to seeing some youngsters develop together. Be a lot more fun than last year watching crappy vets sh*t themselves.

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12 minutes ago, JiF said:

It's almost like we are fans of 2 different teams and Todd Bowles isn't the head coach of the one you root for and the name of the teams isn't the Jets. 

whatever.  The fact remains that what you claim to be "obvious" is anything but.  In fact, it's no more than just another negative slant directed at the Jets based solely on a standard, non-meaningful, vague GM response to a question that shouldn't have been asked.  As if Mac is going to tell the world that they drafted him to ride the bench just in case Hack and Petty suck so bad that they shouldn't be out there.  Get real.  

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14 minutes ago, JiF said:

And you never answered my question, who's your money on to be the Jets starter? 

EIther Petty or Hack. 3rd on the totem pole is our $6 million insurance policy against them being so abyssmally awful or injured. 

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1 minute ago, Dcat said:

whatever.  The fact remains that what you claim to be "obvious" is anything but.  In fact, it's no more than just another negative slant directed at the Jets based solely on a standard, non-meaningful, vague GM response to a question that shouldn't have been asked.  As if Mac is going to tell the world that they drafted him to ride the bench just in case Hack and Petty suck so bad that they shouldn't be out there.  Get real.  

We shall see.

So tell me, who will be the Jets starter? 

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They draft some dude like the CJ Beathard in the sixth. Cut Petty. Let McCown and Hack cough "fight it out." Hack starts the first two games, sucks, locker room dissension sets in, Hack has a breakdown in practice when Eric Decker smites him. Hack develops a mystery injury. McCown starts the next twelve games, with Bowles saying that he can't pull him because of "momentum." The team is 6-8 at this point. Petty is the starter in Cleveland during this time and Hue Jackson has him looking like a stud.

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Mac is emphasizing on trading down quite a bit. I think all GM's and coaches already got the message from Mac's  prior press Confrence, the Senior Bowl, and the combine. I can see if we had the first or second pick, even then teams don't advertise that much. I think they are playing the reverse psychology a little much. I think if whatever player they want at 6 is gone then they definitely want to trade down with our depleted roster, but it just seems like he is overplaying his hand. 

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34 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

They draft some dude like the CJ Beathard in the sixth. Cut Petty. Let McCown and Hack cough "fight it out." Hack starts the first two games, sucks, locker room dissension sets in, Hack has a breakdown in practice when Eric Decker smites him. Hack develops a mystery injury. McCown starts the next twelve games, with Bowles saying that he can't pull him because of "momentum." The team is 6-8 at this point. Petty is the starter in Cleveland during this time and Hue Jackson has him looking like a stud.

The peril of having the GM and HC report to the owner separately is they do not have the same agenda.If the jets either develop one of these guys as a real QB and/or find some solid players, a 2 win season could still be a success going forward. Winning 4-6 games with McCown would be an unmitigated disaster-WHAT IS THE FVCKIN' POINT?  But really no Todd Bowles team is winning more than 4 games, but that could still eff up having a shot at Darnold. Todd thinks the forward pass should go back to the 1890s rules and be illegal and scoring points is showing off. But God damn does he interview well and tell Woody how the team will be tough and nasty and all that happy horsesheet, making said owner feel like he's getting back at all the schoolyard  bullies who stole his serious lunch money and made him eat paste on a daily basis. Doesn't absolve Maccagnan because he deserves a world of sheet if Petty and/or Hack do not get reps here. Does he get a piece of McCown's new found old QB lotto winnings? This could be the biggest waste of $6 million in fvckin' history. 

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1 hour ago, Dcat said:

EIther Petty or Hack. 3rd on the totem pole is our $6 million insurance policy against them being so abyssmally awful or injured. 

I just don't get why everyone in March wants to know who the starting QB will be in Sept. Like that is the be all end all verification of their agenda.  Whomever is the starting QB week 1 doesn't mean they are the starter for all 16 games (not related to injury). McCown could start week 1 but that doesn't mean Hack or Petty won't become the starter week 4, 6 whatever..

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4 minutes ago, C Mart said:

I just don't get why everyone in March wants to know who the starting QB will be in Sept. Like that is the be all end all verification of their agenda.  Whomever is the starting QB week 1 doesn't mean they are the starter for all 16 games (not related to injury). McCown could start week 1 but that doesn't mean Hack or Petty won't become the starter week 4, 6 whatever..

Agreed, but wouldn't it be nice if the Jets could be like Pittsburgh, New England, Green Bay, Giants etc and know who the damn starter is the the foreseable future, like the next 8-10 years? My money is on Hack.

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

They draft some dude like the CJ Beathard in the sixth. Cut Petty. Let McCown and Hack cough "fight it out." Hack starts the first two games, sucks, locker room dissension sets in, Hack has a breakdown in practice when Eric Decker smites him. Hack develops a mystery injury. McCown starts the next twelve games, with Bowles saying that he can't pull him because of "momentum." The team is 6-8 at this point. Petty is the starter in Cleveland during this time and Hue Jackson has him looking like a stud.

Eric Decker does not come across as the smiting type to be honest.  I think you are right about the QB thing though as far as drafting a guy and petty being the one to get cut.

This late round pick we draft?  After the 1st two ex games he will have passed Hackenburg.

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9 minutes ago, section314 said:

Agreed, but wouldn't it be nice if the Jets could be like Pittsburgh, New England, Green Bay, Giants etc and know who the damn starter is the the foreseable future, like the next 8-10 years? My money is on Hack.

That requires stability and patience in ownership, FO & Coaches. Something this fanbase doesn't have (because of 40 yrs of frustration that isn't this regimes fault)..Cant keep turning over GMs/HCs..That said, I'm with you..Cautiously optimistic regarding Hack

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37 minutes ago, Bugg said:

The peril of having the GM and HC report to the owner separately is they do not have the same agenda.If the jets either develop one of these guys as a real QB and/or find some solid players, a 2 win season could still be a success going forward. Winning 4-6 games with McCown would be an unmitigated disaster-WHAT IS THE FVCKIN' POINT?  But really no Todd Bowles team is winning more than 4 games, but that could still eff up having a shot at Darnold. Todd thinks the forward pass should go back to the 1890s rules and be illegal and scoring points is showing off. But God damn does he interview well and tell Woody how the team will be tough and nasty and all that happy horsesheet, making said owner feel like he's getting back at all the schoolyard  bullies who stole his serious lunch money and made him eat paste on a daily basis. Doesn't absolve Maccagnan because he deserves a world of sheet if Petty and/or Hack do not get reps here. Does he get a piece of McCown's new found old QB lotto winnings? This could be the biggest waste of $6 million in fvckin' history. 

It's amazing that Woody Johnson, dipsh*t that he is, hasn't raised the white flag and just hired a real Team President that can arbitrate the divide between coach and GM. Nobody is in charge there now, like nobody was in charge during Rex-Idzik, Rex-Tannenbaum, and Mangini-Tannenbaum, etc. If he installed someone like Polian or Parcells at the top of the food chain, that person would be able to tell Bowles and Macc how to approach the season from a big-picture perspective, when to play Hack, when to bench Fitzpatrick, how to discipline Mo and Richardson--on and on and on. Instead, you've got the dope head coach telling the dim, overpromoted GM to give Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist and Antonio Cromartie big money, which does nothing to help the regime's sustainability, and the dim GM agrees because the idiot owner thinks 8-10 wins in any one year is the objective.

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2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It's amazing that Woody Johnson, dipsh*t that he is, hasn't raised the white flag and just hired a real Team President that can arbitrate the divide between coach and GM. Nobody is in charge there now, like nobody was in charge during Rex-Idzik, Rex-Tannenbaum, and Mangini-Tannenbaum, etc. If he installed someone like Polian or Parcells at the top of the food chain, that person would be able to tell Bowles and Macc how to approach the season from a big-picture perspective, when to play Hack, when to bench Fitzpatrick, how to discipline Mo and Richardson--on and on and on. Instead, you've got the dope head coach telling the dim, overpromoted GM to give Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist and Antonio Cromartie big money, which does nothing to help the regime's sustainability, and the dim GM agrees because the idiot owner thinks 8-10 wins in any one year is the objective.

Give how starry-eyed Woody gets whenever he's around super meathead footbally types, it is amazing that he hasn't done this yet. I can only assume it's because guys like Parcells won't bring him down onto the practice field and treat him like an assistant coach.

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11 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Give how starry-eyed Woody gets whenever he's around super meathead footbally types, it is amazing that he hasn't done this yet. I can only assume it's because guys like Parcells won't bring him down onto the practice field and treat him like an assistant coach.

I always go back to that scene in Hard Knocks where Mike Tannenbaum is in his makeshift office in Cortland, talking on the phone with Revis' agents trying to end his holdout. Woody, in tennis whites, is sitting on the other side of the desk flipping through a magazine, listening in. Now imagine that scene if Parcells or Polian, or any credible football executive, was trying to handle business and the owner was acting like a pasty, gaunt equal partner in the running of the football team. There'd be bloodshed.

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1 hour ago, Jetster said:

What are you guys smoking? Jets need azzes in the seats at MetLife, you honestly believe fans will be getting up for a 38 year old loser who's lost 20 of his last 22 games,lol.

This offseason is Petty vs Hackenberg or another rookie QB chosen in this draft. The other thing that makes me laugh is this 0-16 talk. You guys make it sound like the NFL is loaded with great teams. The NFL isn't that good anymore, the Jets could easily stuff Miamis run game & put Tannyhill into the turf headfirst. The Bills? Ooh, scary,lol.

Jets aint making no playoffs but to completely write them off as non competitive is short sighted. Leo might be the best Dlineman in football in 2017 regarding his trajectory. We suffered a mutiltude of injuries, maybe we stay healthy? Some of these young guys could take huge steps this year, Lee, Jenkins, Burris, Shell, Johnson, maybe one of the safeties shines, Middleton or Martin, Maccs draft could be one of his best ever? 

Im very excited about the rebuild. Looking forward to seeing some youngsters develop together. Be a lot more fun than last year watching crappy vets sh*t themselves.

nice post

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9 hours ago, Powpow said:

sh*t or get off the pot.  Until Mac shows some substantial, qualified progress on this roster, he is as joewilly12 stated, ALL TALK. This coming year is a pass. Mac will get a new coach and a franchise QB the following year. If there is not significant improvement, he is kaput. 

I think you'd agree we don't want a repeat of 2013. Perhaps inadvertently, but that's what this course of action would outline:

  • Say the Jets keep Maccagnan for next year no matter what
  • Then after this season fire Bowles and he gets to hire "his own" HC in 2018
  • Then "if there is not significant improvement, he is kaput" (your words)

Where does that leave the team as far as the just-hired HC?

  • Fire Maccagnan's HC after 1 season before seeking new GM candidates;
  • Force the new GM to fire a HC he doesn't know yet (as his first act as GM);
  • Force-feed a 1-yr incumbent HC (who was "victimized" by the just-fired GM's mgmt) onto new GM candidates?

None of these are good options. The only good option, under the assumption Bowles is to be fired and things don't substantially improve roster-wise in 2017, is to fire them both at the same time (not just one of them). Then you allow a new GM to pick his own HC, which should lead to interest from better GM candidates in the first place.

Allowing Maccagnan to hire his own HC in 2018 indirectly gives Maccagnan a 3 (no less than 2) year extension, to simultaneously prevent this force-feeding his HC onto his successor and/or looking too knee-jerk with a HC after only 1 season using a fired-GM's roster. Except the problem is the GM's done basically nothing - as we stand today - to show he's earned an extension through a 6th season, while there are no shortage of reasons showing why he is undeserving of a 4th. 

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47 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It's amazing that Woody Johnson, dipsh*t that he is, hasn't raised the white flag and just hired a real Team President that can arbitrate the divide between coach and GM. Nobody is in charge there now, like nobody was in charge during Rex-Idzik, Rex-Tannenbaum, and Mangini-Tannenbaum, etc. If he installed someone like Polian or Parcells at the top of the food chain, that person would be able to tell Bowles and Macc how to approach the season from a big-picture perspective, when to play Hack, when to bench Fitzpatrick, how to discipline Mo and Richardson--on and on and on. Instead, you've got the dope head coach telling the dim, overpromoted GM to give Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist and Antonio Cromartie big money, which does nothing to help the regime's sustainability, and the dim GM agrees because the idiot owner thinks 8-10 wins in any one year is the objective.

Please Macc is doing fine.

You think it was Bowels idea to bring in a real QB coach, assistant QB coach, Kevin Green, Dunno, etc.....

You think Bowels wanted McClown?...no he wanted a someone to start over Petty/Hack....McClown is better for Macc.

You think Macc gives a sh*t which player Bowels prefer in draft.....no....and please don't say Lee was a Bowels pick....fact is he was BPA at the time which was not disputed at the time.

Macc is doing just fine fixing the disaster situation he came into because of Idziot. 

And btw. ...Petty will win the competition this summer and start.

Go Jets......Petty and the Jets.

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7 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

Please Macc is doing fine.

You think it was Bowels idea to bring in a real QB coach, assistant QB coach, Kevin Green, Dunno, etc.....

You think Bowels wanted McClown?...no he wanted a someone to start over Petty/Hack....McClown is better for Macc.

You think Macc gives a sh*t which player Bowels prefer in draft.....no....and please don't say Lee was a Bowels pick....fact is he was BPA at the time which was not disputed at the time.

Macc is doing just fine fixing the disaster situation he came into because of Idziot. 

And btw. ...Petty will win the competition this summer and start.

Go Jets......Petty and the Jets.

Macc's success will be measured by wins and losses here we dont give executive of the year awards and consider them to be an accomplishment. 

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6 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

Please Macc is doing fine.

You think it was Bowels idea to bring in a real QB coach, assistant QB coach, Kevin Green, Dunno, etc.....

You think Bowels wanted McClown?...no he wanted a someone to start over Petty/Hack....McClown is better for Macc.

You think Macc gives a sh*t which player Bowels prefer in draft.....no....and please don't say Lee was a Bowels pick....fact is he was BPA at the time which was not disputed at the time.

Macc is doing just fine fixing the disaster situation he came into because of Idziot. 

And btw. ...Petty will win the competition this summer and start.

Go Jets......Petty and the Jets.

List the five best players on the Jets right now.

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7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Do we even have 5 good players?  I'll play. 

Williams 

Wilkerson

Richardson 

Enunwa 

Decker 

True. Yet Wilkerson's attitude and Richardson's stupidity and both of their salaries make them untradeable. 

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5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

They draft some dude like the CJ Beathard in the sixth. Cut Petty. Let McCown and Hack cough "fight it out." Hack starts the first two games, sucks, locker room dissension sets in, Hack has a breakdown in practice when Eric Decker smites him. Hack develops a mystery injury. McCown starts the next twelve games, with Bowles saying that he can't pull him because of "momentum." The team is 6-8 at this point. Petty is the starter in Cleveland during this time and Hue Jackson has him looking like a stud.

Other than the Decker part, I can see this happening.

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

It's amazing that Woody Johnson, dipsh*t that he is, hasn't raised the white flag and just hired a real Team President that can arbitrate the divide between coach and GM. Nobody is in charge there now, like nobody was in charge during Rex-Idzik, Rex-Tannenbaum, and Mangini-Tannenbaum, etc. If he installed someone like Polian or Parcells at the top of the food chain, that person would be able to tell Bowles and Macc how to approach the season from a big-picture perspective, when to play Hack, when to bench Fitzpatrick, how to discipline Mo and Richardson--on and on and on. Instead, you've got the dope head coach telling the dim, overpromoted GM to give Buster Skrine and Marcus Gilchrist and Antonio Cromartie big money, which does nothing to help the regime's sustainability, and the dim GM agrees because the idiot owner thinks 8-10 wins in any one year is the objective.

Not only is this the right answer, its exactly what the Jaguars did-a team owned by a self-made successful person and not a twerp.

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

List the five best players on the Jets right now.

  • Enunwa
  • Carpenter
  • Williams
  • WIlkerson (benefit of the doubt)
  • Clairborne (if healthy)

Honorable mention goes to Decker if healthy and Richardson if he has his head screwed on straight.

This is a very, very grim roster.  It does not need Pryor or Richardson-it needs more draft picks in this draft.

I think a team going for it could pony up a pick for Richardson because he is tough to duplicate in the lower rounds of this draft.

Pryor?  I think you can duplicate him in the 4th round.

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