Obrien2Toon Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Obviously very impressed with him so far. But the bigger problem it seems to me is the Jets FO decision making here. It was pretty clear in the preseason that he was capable of doing this, so why in the world would a team in desperate need of pass rush end cut him. Note: 2 things in Jets favor, and sure people will bring up are: 1. he can't play STs. But who cares, when he does when he does. 2. nobody else picked him up. This is unexplainable to me after the way he looked in the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Said it in the game thread. Had to be a great moment for him getting that first sack against Buffalo. Then he goes and gets another for good measure. He's the epitome of a one-trick pony, and that trick is more his speed than a trick, but damn he sure is fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I like Maybin, got a little nasty too (which I liked) with his ex team. If we can just develop him to be more than just a skinny speed rusher, it will be great, he got to be better than McIntyre. He brings nothing to the table. On the Fitzpatrick scramble he made him look like Usain Bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I wonder why he can't play st IMF he's so fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Aaron Maybin for offensive coordinator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I wonder why he can't play st IMF he's so fast. It's not actually his speed that's a strength, in that Gholston was actually faster than him. But Maybin's initial burst, fluid hips, and closing speed is his true asset. His pro workouts coming into the league highlights that. He was excellent in the 1st 10 yds of his 40 and 3 cones, but meh in overall 40. That's why he looks good in the tight area around the QB. He has the initial burst, can change direction, and accelerate again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 They cut him because he cant do anything else and the Jets have a pretty complex defense that is not exactly a specialist defense. As it is he only plays a handful of snaps because he is a liability in too many situations. Other teams stayed away because he was a total dog in Buffalo. The Jets staff deserves a ton of credit for finding ways to use him and motivate him to do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetme23 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Are you guys watching the same games? While yes he has racked up a few sacks, he is a liability at best. He always rushes straight off the edge and often times right passed the QB. If you go back and review some of his rushes, his lack of moves allows fitzpatrick to get out to the edge and gain yardage. He sucks. But so does the rest of the defensive line when it comes to rushing the passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Obviously very impressed with him so far. But the bigger problem it seems to me is the Jets FO decision making here. It was pretty clear in the preseason that he was capable of doing this, so why in the world would a team in desperate need of pass rush end cut him. Note: 2 things in Jets favor, and sure people will bring up are: 1. he can't play STs. But who cares, when he does when he does. 2. nobody else picked him up. This is unexplainable to me after the way he looked in the preseason. Really really good point. So he is limited. They knew that before they got him. They saw him and had reason to believe he had potential to get to the QB. Yet they waived him. Sure they got him back and it is working out but the Jets waived him. Didn't agree with it then and it seems even crazier now that he is doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I wonder why he can't play st IMF he's so fast. He seems to have the heart. I am not sure why he couldn't play specials. He is going to need to if he wants to prolong his career though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Are you guys watching the same games? While yes he has racked up a few sacks, he is a liability at best. He always rushes straight off the edge and often times right passed the QB. If you go back and review some of his rushes, his lack of moves allows fitzpatrick to get out to the edge and gain yardage. He sucks. But so does the rest of the defensive line when it comes to rushing the passer. I wouldn't say he is a liability in this role. As you mentioned he is not getting many snaps...and he has a few sacks. Not sure if he was credited with 2 or 1.5 today, but he is doing okay in this role...because it is such a small sample size that he is on the field for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Really really good point. So he is limited. They knew that before they got him. They saw him and had reason to believe he had potential to get to the QB. Yet they waived him. Sure they got him back and it is working out but the Jets waived him. Didn't agree with it then and it seems even crazier now that he is doing well. If you recall, he actually made the initial roster. He was cut later when they made the moves to get Schlauderaff and Baxter and based upon how thin the offensive line was in the early weeks I don't think we can complain about adding players there. I think they could have stood to lose another defensive back like Cook or Trufant myself, but those guys do get ST run. I wouldn't say he is a liability in this role. As you mentioned he is not getting many snaps...and he has a few sacks. Not sure if he was credited with 2 or 1.5 today, but he is doing okay in this role...because it is such a small sample size that he is on the field for. His pass rush can be a liability because he rushes so wide and with no discipline that they have trouble using him on anything under 3rd and 5+ yards. Even when they know the other team is going to pass the QB can usually walk an easy 3 yards right through the spot where he lined up. It's good to have him around, but I'm not sure how many more snaps per game he'll be good for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 If you recall, he actually made the initial roster. He was cut later when they made the moves to get Schlauderaff and Baxter and based upon how thin the offensive line was in the early weeks I don't think we can complain about adding players there. I think they could have stood to lose another defensive back like Cook or Trufant myself, but those guys do get ST run. His pass rush can be a liability because he rushes so wide and with no discipline that they have trouble using him on anything under 3rd and 5+ yards. Even when they know the other team is going to pass the QB can usually walk an easy 3 yards right through the spot where he lined up. It's good to have him around, but I'm not sure how many more snaps per game he'll be good for. They cut him to bring in Colin Baxter who got everyone killed against the Ravens. I will complain if I want to! Nice meeting you today btw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 They cut him to bring in Colin Baxter who got everyone killed against the Ravens. I will complain if I want to! Nice meeting you today btw... Nice meeting you, Bruce, Joe and Shane. We can certainly complain about Baxter. I just meant that while everybody constantly gripes about lack of pass rush, O line was a bigger need at that point. Probably still is, but good pass rush > crappy O line depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Are you guys watching the same games? While yes he has racked up a few sacks, he is a liability at best. He always rushes straight off the edge and often times right passed the QB. If you go back and review some of his rushes, his lack of moves allows fitzpatrick to get out to the edge and gain yardage. He sucks. But so does the rest of the defensive line when it comes to rushing the passer. Hmmmm, I'm no genius, but I'm pretty confident you want to see a pocket passer flushed out of the pocket and use his legs. Its not like any of those yards the Fitz scrambled for hurt the Jets. If this was Tebow, Vick, Big Ben...players who can make plays on the run...then I see your point. But playing Ryan Fitzpatrick...you want to flush him out of the pocket when he was pretty much picking you apart the entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Hmmmm, I'm no genius, but I'm pretty confident you want to see a pocket passer flushed out of the pocket and use his legs. Its not like any of those yards the Fitz scrambled for hurt the Jets. If this was Tebow, Vick, Big Ben...players who can make plays on the run...then I see your point. But playing Ryan Fitzpatrick...you want to flush him out of the pocket when he was pretty much picking you apart the entire game. I disagree about Fitzpatrick being a pocket passer. He's very good with his legs and gave the Jets trouble because of that back when he was with the Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I disagree about Fitzpatrick being a pocket passer. He's very good with his legs and gave the Jets trouble because of that back when he was with the Bengals. Ha! Right, because when you prepare for the Bills you're definitely telling your D...dont let Fitzpatrick escape!!!, he's deadly with his feet, maybe we should put a spy on him! He's like Vick out there!!! Dude is a pocket passer, he wants to sit back there and make throws from the pocket. Pretty obvious really. Maybin creating havoc and making him escape the pocket helped us. They were losing prescious time on the clock with every scramble. 3 yards, 7/8 seconds off the clock, I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Obviously very impressed with him so far. But the bigger problem it seems to me is the Jets FO decision making here. It was pretty clear in the preseason that he was capable of doing this, so why in the world would a team in desperate need of pass rush end cut him. Note: 2 things in Jets favor, and sure people will bring up are: 1. he can't play STs. But who cares, when he does when he does. 2. nobody else picked him up. This is unexplainable to me after the way he looked in the preseason. Right on with your comments...I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Some other things Maybin did that aren't in the stats. After a 13 yard completion by the Bills Maybin got in a pushing match with the center, that drew flags on both of them that negated the play. In the 3rd he said something to OT Pears that caused , Pears to shove him hard after the play. It drew a 15 yard penalty. He also flushed Fitzpatrick out of the pocket in the 3rd and threw a ball on the run that fell about 5 yards short of a wide open Johnson. Those things all count in the film review, and the final score. Kid is a one trick pony, but it's a trick the Jets D really needs, and is having an impact on the game. I like the kid alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Strange circumstances indeed. But I am glad he is on the team. He is a one trick pony, but it a valuable trick and no other ponies in the stable can do it. If he ever learns some other pass rushing moves, he could really develop into something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 He can only do one thing -rush the passer and you have to stat disciplined so not to open gaping holes-. easy to see why teams passed up on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 He also flushed Fitzpatrick out of the pocket in the 3rd and threw a ball on the run that fell about 5 yards short of a wide open Johnson. Weird, I could have sworn someone somewhere was saying something about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 related: Jets OLB Aaron Maybin racked up two sacks in the team's Week 12 win over Buffalo, bringing his season total to five. Used sparingly but as a situational pass rusher, Maybin has also forced three fumbles in eight games with the Jets. Extrapolated over a full season, Maybin would be on pace for double-digit sacks and six fumbles forced. Pro Football Focus has also graded out Maybin as a consistent pass-rushing force during his time with the Jets. He's averaging about 18 snaps per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Considering his snap count, I'd say that's not too shabby considering what he came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 There's little question that Maybin isn't exactly a complete, every down player for the Jets, but they don't need him to be. The truth is, the guy has the most impressive quickness off the snap of any player that's been on this roster over the past 6 seasons, and that's what makes him valuable to this team, he just brings such a different dynamic. When you consider the minimal investment the Jets have made in him, it's tough to be anything but very happy with the return they've gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 It's amazing that he beat the same guy twice using the same half-hearted rip move. I guess speed really does kill, but lining up on the left instead of at RDE also helps matters for Maybin's skillset (or lack thereof). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Speedy guy coming off the edge. Who cares if he is a one trick pony. He does that trick well and is helping this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Maybin's a guy who will really benefit from a full offseason program. Hopefully Westoff sticks around and beats him with his cane. No reason the guy shouldn't at least be on the punt/FG defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Ha! Right, because when you prepare for the Bills you're definitely telling your D...dont let Fitzpatrick escape!!!, he's deadly with his feet, maybe we should put a spy on him! He's like Vick out there!!! Dude is a pocket passer, he wants to sit back there and make throws from the pocket. Pretty obvious really. Maybin creating havoc and making him escape the pocket helped us. They were losing prescious time on the clock with every scramble. 3 yards, 7/8 seconds off the clock, I'll take it. You're wrong about Fitzpatrick. He was one of the top rushing QBs in the league one year and the only reason he has become a "pocket passer" is because he is The Man now and can't afford to get hurt. The fact that he isn't a Vick, isn't worth putting a spy on is exactly the reason that having a pass rush with no lane discipline can be a problem. Any spastic can walk for a first down if Maybin is going to run ring around the RT. That's the point. I still think he is worth having and playing, but it would be nice if he showed a bit of versatility and if he can show that he belongs on the field during shorter downs and distance. I think he is basically thriving all on motor right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Maybin's a guy who will really benefit from a full offseason program. Hopefully Westoff sticks around and beats him with his cane. No reason the guy shouldn't at least be on the punt/FG defenses. Westhoff already said he'll wants to come back one more year, and Rex said he'll give him a lifetime contract if he wants. Think he'll be back. Maybin has never played teams. He was a star at Penn State, and a top 10 pick in the NFL. If they can turn him into an impact teams player, he might be here for a long time. As pointed out by another poster above, his 40 time really isn't that impressive. Out of the 3 point stance he is like shot out of a cannon. Changes direction quickly, and has a great closing burst. The Bills of course wanted him to be an every down player considering how much they paid for him. They bulked him up to about 245-250, and he lost his burst. This preseason he got sick, and came in around 225. His natural weight, and got cut. Perhaps if the Jets just realize that's who he is, they can just teach him a few actual pass rushing moves, use him on specials, and as DPR, he might be able to turn 10-15 sacks a year just playing 20+- snaps a game. That would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 You're wrong about Fitzpatrick. He was one of the top rushing QBs in the league one year and the only reason he has become a "pocket passer" is because he is The Man now and can't afford to get hurt. The fact that he isn't a Vick, isn't worth putting a spy on is exactly the reason that having a pass rush with no lane discipline can be a problem. Any spastic can walk for a first down if Maybin is going to run ring around the RT. That's the point. I still think he is worth having and playing, but it would be nice if he showed a bit of versatility and if he can show that he belongs on the field during shorter downs and distance. I think he is basically thriving all on motor right now. Okay, running for your life and running with purpose is a little different subject all together. Nobody looks at Fitzpatrick as a threat to tuck and run or as some threat to throw on the run. Nor does he, which is why he's a pocket passer. For example, one of the plays that Maybin did get in there and give him a huge lane, Fitzpatrick went on the run and missed his WR by probably 7 yards short. The others, he gained 3/4 yards and ran 7/8 seconds of the clock...I'll take that playing with a lead and a minute left. And the Fitz you are referring to was still figuring out the NFL and like many young QB's, they look to run first instead of avoiding pressure while still looking down field. (btw - I'm shocked out how well Cam does that for being a run first QB in college, totally different subject, i know). Now, back to my premise - while you're right, the way he rushes leaves some huge lanes to run through as a QB - who gives a ****? How many Qb's in the league will actually make you pay for that? 3 maybe 4. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the whole idea of rushing the QB is to either sack him or flush the QB out of the pocket and hope he makes an errant throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 One trick pony? Who cares as long as he keeps getting to the QB, we can ride this one trick pony for a while, in other words, keep sending him in until the other team figures out how to stop him. We are going to need him big time against Philly and the Giants watch and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 maybin proves one thing to me. vernon gholston really ******* sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Okay, running for your life and running with purpose is a little different subject all together. Nobody looks at Fitzpatrick as a threat to tuck and run or as some threat to throw on the run. Nor does he, which is why he's a pocket passer. For example, one of the plays that Maybin did get in there and give him a huge lane, Fitzpatrick went on the run and missed his WR by probably 7 yards short. The others, he gained 3/4 yards and ran 7/8 seconds of the clock...I'll take that playing with a lead and a minute left. And the Fitz you are referring to was still figuring out the NFL and like many young QB's, they look to run first instead of avoiding pressure while still looking down field. (btw - I'm shocked out how well Cam does that for being a run first QB in college, totally different subject, i know). Now, back to my premise - while you're right, the way he rushes leaves some huge lanes to run through as a QB - who gives a ****? How many Qb's in the league will actually make you pay for that? 3 maybe 4. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the whole idea of rushing the QB is to either sack him or flush the QB out of the pocket and hope he makes an errant throw. There is a difference between forcing a QB to throw on the run - which they all do bad - and giving QBs an easy lane to run for a first down. It isn't running for you life because Maybin isn't chasing them. He is locked up with a tackle behind and around the pocket. It doesn't necessarily flush the QB. The sh*t I give is that while he is good at what he does, if he were capable of a few other things he would be useful on downs other than 3rd or 4th and 7+ yards or with more than 2 minutes left up a TD. The fact is there are things that McIntyre and Westerman do considerably better than him and neither of them has looked even decent so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 It's not actually his speed that's a strength, in that Gholston was actually faster than him. But Maybin's initial burst, fluid hips, and closing speed is his true asset. His pro workouts coming into the league highlights that. He was excellent in the 1st 10 yds of his 40 and 3 cones, but meh in overall 40. That's why he looks good in the tight area around the QB. He has the initial burst, can change direction, and accelerate again. Fluid hips? He 's fast and relentless. But it seems to take him forever to change direction. I'm not sure what you mean by 'fluid hips' but I'm pretty sure Maybin doesn't have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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