Kleckineau Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Contrary to the popular belief held by many posters here that Brian Schottenheimer was ruining / ruined the developement of Sanchez, the truth may actually be that he was handcuffed by Marks lack of ability so had to formulate simple game plans, designed to mask the limited passing skills of Mark Sanchez. The slant, dump off and wide receiver screens that were hated during his tenure as OC were made the staple of game plans out of necessity, not preference. While Sparano certainly hasnt been terrific in his short tenure, (see Tebow run for 2 yds) he has more frequently tried to stretch the field with longer pass plays but quickly found out what most of us already knew. Mark Sanchez simply isnt up to the task. Cue the team has no receivers mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 He sucks as a coach. He needed to go. But that doesnt change the fact we have crappy players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 There is a push and a pull to everything. My opinion is and always has been that Mark, along with the offense, was being ruined by a bad OC. I think they waited too long to do anything about it. I think Sanchez is shot, and Sparano is hamstrung by the realities of having a QB who has been in the league 4 years and hasn't been developed at all. We've seen almost zero maturation from Sanchez, and most of that has to be put on him and the coaches he was surrounded with during the years that were going to make or break him at the NFL level. It's not all on Schotty though, Sanchez is partially to blame. He doesn't seem to have the mental toughness to rebound from his mistakes and is all too prone to repeating them routinely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 No...no you didn't just ask that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 "3rd and 21? OK. Lets run Shonn Greene into Mangold's back!" "3rd and 1? Lets have Mark throws the ball to the defensive tackle!" OK, last ones not fair.. but you get the point. Schottenheimer was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 No...no you didn't just ask that. Terrible troll job. Has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 No, it was a mistake not hiring a real replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 No, it was a mistake not hiring a real replacement So who would the "real" replacement have been and would they have sucess with Snachez at QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 So who would the "real" replacement have been and would they have sucess with Snachez at QB? What everyone says.. Cowher or Gruden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 What everyone says.. Cowher or Gruden. They wouldnt come here as HC let alone OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What everyone says.. Cowher or Gruden. Nah, there were guys like Haley and Arians out there that went from one OC job to another. Those were the guys I wanted to see here, and Sherman. That said, I saw Sparano as a positive and still would like to see what he can do with a QB other than Sanchez. I am beginning to see the Schotty-to-Sparano move as a lateral move though. Sucks too, because Rex is the one that made the call on Sparano. I would hope he evaluated his options more than what he did for the John Connor pick. "Oh, I saw that guy make one big hit in college, let's draft him!" How can a life-long football guy be this shallow in his ability to evaluate and address players/coaches/situations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 They wouldnt come here as HC let alone OC. HC, they would. OC, doubtful. And yeah, I was telling you what the masses think. Not my opinion, necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Nah, there were guys like Haley and Arians out there that went from one OC job to another. Those were the guys I wanted to see here, and Sherman. That said, I saw Sparano as a positive and still would like to see what he can do with a QB other than Sanchez. I am beginning to see the Schotty-to-Sparano move as a lateral move though. Sucks too, because Rex is the one that made the call on Sparano. I would hope he evaluated his options more than what he did for the John Connor pick. "Oh, I saw that guy make one big hit in college, let's draft him!" How can a life-long football guy be this shallow in his ability to evaluate and address players/coaches/situations? You shut your ape mouth!!! Rex is a cool guy. Players like him. He knows defense. He isn't the answer at Head Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Contrary to the popular belief held by many posters here that Brian Schottenheimer was ruining / ruined the developement of Sanchez, the truth may actually be that he was handcuffed by Marks lack of ability so had to formulate simple game plans, designed to mask the limited passing skills of Mark Sanchez. The slant, dump off and wide receiver screens that were hated during his tenure as OC were made the staple of game plans out of necessity, not preference. While Sparano certainly hasnt been terrific in his short tenure, (see Tebow run for 2 yds) he has more frequently tried to stretch the field with longer pass plays but quickly found out what most of us already knew. Mark Sanchez simply isnt up to the task. Cue the team has no receivers mob. No. He sucks as a coach. He needed to go. But that doesnt change the fact we have crappy players This. The inability of so many on this board to grasp the concept of more than one person sucking at their job at the same time is absolutely baffling. The Jets could have had one of us playing QB, and it still wouldn't have justified the great many mind-bogglingly idiotic things Schotty did over the course of his 6 years here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Intercourse Brian Schottenheimer. I can't believe a guy as football sharp as Jeff Fisher hired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge o8 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 wait this is all MR T where are our last 2 HC not even on a team in any shape or form please MR t. needs to go!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The only mistake made in letting him go, is we lost our excuse for how bad the players are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 it was a mistake to believe that an offensive coordinator can make that much of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Its not the play calling as much as the execution. A play caller cannot help if the RB leaves yards on the field. A play caller cannot help when he a calls a play that could have resulted in a TD on a screen pass if only the QB could get the ball to his RB! I would shudder to think what our record be with Schotty calling the plays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFtoLong Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yes, it was a huge mistake letting Schotty go. I really wish we had kept him. He was a genius. I particularly loved how his routes were designed so that there were 3 receiving options in one spot, so you would have 4 defenders around each of the route. It was brilliant. Get him back, draft a new QB, and keep Rexy around. I love being a Jets fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 My only regret is that we can't neg rep a post more than once. In what universe does it make any sense to claim it was a mistake to let go of an OC who did a crappy job with 4 different QBs? Plus, Schitty had a better receiving corps and RBs than now, so how is today's struggles any relevance to Schitty's prior poor job performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I particularly loved how his routes were designed so that there were 3 receiving options in one spot, so you would have 4 defenders around each of the route. It was brilliant. I openly wept over this exact maneuver many times .... we have a multitude of problems this season and in general .... having that sphincter call our offense is no longer one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 ewes game cant wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Hell no, it was the most necessary break up ever if for no other reason than having dummies figure out that it's not the offensive coordinator using a video game controller to pilot the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 My only regret is that we can't neg rep a post more than once. In what universe does it make any sense to claim it was a mistake to let go of an OC who did a crappy job with 4 different QBs? Plus, Schitty had a better receiving corps and RBs than now, so how is today's struggles any relevance to Schitty's prior poor job performance? What is this neg rep thing you refer to and why would anyone more than 16 yrs old care about such a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Was it a mistake? Only if you are a masochist...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 no, Schottenheimer was terrible. Sparano may or may not also be terrible (we'll see, his game plans haven't impressed me since Buffalo, but it's only been 3 games). The Jets failed with developing Sanchez, Schottenheimer didn't help. Plus, we've seen Schottenheimer fail with multiple QBs, including Brett Favre, who IIRC, stopped listening to Schottenheimer and just made sh*t up that worked better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 no, Schottenheimer was terrible. Sparano may or may not also be terrible (we'll see, his game plans haven't impressed me since Buffalo, but it's only been 3 games). The Jets failed with developing Sanchez, Schottenheimer didn't help. Plus, we've seen Schottenheimer fail with multiple QBs, including Brett Favre, who IIRC, stopped listening to Schottenheimer and just made sh*t up that worked better. Oh Please Favre didnt even know playbook and tore up his arm after an 8-3 start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Oh Please Favre didnt even know playbook and tore up his arm after an 8-3 start so Farve was good and Schottenheimer had nothing to do with it? thanks for proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Getting rid of the 32nd-best OC in football is never a mistake. Replacing him with the 31st-best OC in football? Yeah...... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 No, it was a mistake not hiring a real replacement It doesn't matter WHO the OC is if you have the worst QB in the NFL. All this bitching about the OC is the biggest waste of bandwidth in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDynamite Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 When Holmes is your best receiver, Keller is hurt all year, and Sparano has no answers, what's happened can't be a surprise.... BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 no, Schottenheimer was terrible. Sparano may or may not also be terrible (we'll see, his game plans haven't impressed me since Buffalo, but it's only been 3 games). The Jets failed with developing Sanchez, Schottenheimer didn't help. Plus, we've seen Schottenheimer fail with multiple QBs, including Brett Favre, who IIRC, stopped listening to Schottenheimer and just made sh*t up that worked better. What are you talking about? Favre ran all the plays him self and changed them anyway in the huddle thats a fact....thats favre....besides we were 8-3 and best in back to back weeks the Titans and the Pats.....give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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