Rexorcism Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2015/02/marcellus_wiley_espn_analyst_former_nfl_player_says_patriots_dynasty_deserves_an_asterisk.html ESPN NFL analyst and former All-Pro defensive end Marcellus Wiley knows how hard it is to succeed in the National Football League without cheating and takes umbrage with how the New England Patriots have built their dynasty. The fallout from scandals such as SpyGate and DeflateGate that have dogged the Patriots during their run of four Super Bowl championships in six appearances over the past 15 years has called some to suggest a metaphorical asterisk be placed next to the franchise in the record books. "Absolutely," Wiley said when asked in an interview with 97.5 FM The Fanatic in Philadelphia if the Patriots deserve an asterisk. "Without question. It is what it is. No-one told them to cheat. No one forced them to cheat. Every other team out there whether they cheated or not, the Patriots got caught. Say whatever you want about it 'You're just mad because you didn't beat us,' well, who knows what would have happened if we were doing what they were doing. The reality is, they cheated." From SpyGate to DeflateGate, Wiley says that the Patriots' actions over the past decade and a half cloud whatever the perception of this run will be in the future. "They were a great team, they were a great dynasty and they were also great at cheating," Wiley said when asked how he'll remember this run of success under Patriots head coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady. "I won't forget how great they played the game but also the fact that they've had unfair advantages in the way that they've played the game. It's all in the same conversation. It's not with any hateraid that I say it. I'm not pulling any punches, either. "It's a reality that they went to the Super Bowl with SpyGate. There's a reality that they're going through DeflateGate rigth now. People want to put those things to the side or bury them and you can never bury them. Who knows how many yards they got off of their unfair advantages? What was on those SpyGate tapes that were burnt? The reality is, you burnt tapes.That lets me know that whatever we're assuming was on those tapes, it's even more egregious than that. "Playing the game, it's difficult to play the game the right way. I'm a guy who never took PEDs, never took steroids, HGH, none of that. It's hard enough to get out there. You're telling me that there's a collective team that had unfair advantages of intel of practice, of play calls? ... If you give me that kind of intel, I can tell you right know, I'll take all of the guess-work out of football and it comes down to reaction." Wiley's stance is not one that is foreign to former players and this conversation is likely one that will be had in the weeks, months and years to come after the Patriots' Super Bowl XLIX victory. Matt Lombardo may be reached at MDLombardo@yahoo.com. Follow him on Twitter @MattLombardo975. Find NJ.com Philadelphia Sports on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32GreenIsGod Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 So is it just going to be an off season of posts whining about the Pats? I mean, sure we all want to know how Marcilious Wally feels, but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 So is it just going to be an off season of posts whining about the Pats? I mean, sure we all want to know how Marcilious Wally feels, but. sh*t up Oops meant shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidoYastrzemski Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Oh wow. I guess THIS settles it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Oh wow. I guess THIS settles it! What? That 32Green really isn't a God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 If only this were NASCAR they would be celebrated for their genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2015/02/marcellus_wiley_espn_analyst_former_nfl_player_says_patriots_dynasty_deserves_an_asterisk.html ESPN NFL analyst and former All-Pro defensive end Marcellus Wiley knows how hard it is to succeed in the National Football League without cheating and takes umbrage with how the New England Patriots have built their dynasty. "Playing the game, it's difficult to play the game the right way. I'm a guy who never took PEDs, never took steroids, HGH, none of that. It's hard enough to get out there. You're telling me that there's a collective team that had unfair advantages of intel of practice, of play calls? ... If you give me that kind of intel, I can tell you right know, I'll take all of the guess-work out of football and it comes down to reaction." LIAR You knowingly took painkillers and said absolutely nothing until now. http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-marcellus-wiley-lawsuit-nfl-20140605-story.html From the Wiley series, in his words: “Sometimes you need a fistful of Vioxx. Any anti-inflammatory. You need it to survive. Vioxx is a beast. I love Vioxx. I'm going to invest in that company when I retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Pats trolls proclaiming they were framed by the devious Colts...in 3...2...1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 So is it just going to be an off season of posts whining about the Pats? Of course it will. People hate the fact that the Patriots have 4 Super Bowl titles in the last 14 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Pats trolls proclaiming they were framed by the devious Colts...in 3...2...1. Jets fans whining about the PATS 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillybott Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Is that the alternate name for the Puke Grape flavored Gatorade or is that a whole different drink company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Jets fans whining about the PATS 24/7 This thread is a posted article, the only whiner was 32Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 PatsFanTX: "The Jets have not won a Super Bowl since 1969." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Wiley is a dumbdumb. I hate the Pats as much as anyone, but let's not just hitch our wagon to any mouthbreather that happens to bash them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Is that the alternate name for the Puke Grape flavored Gatorade or is that a whole different drink company? Haha, was wanting to try som Hateraid myself...must be the stuff Jim Jones was pushing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 LIAR You knowingly took painkillers and said absolutely nothing until now. http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-marcellus-wiley-lawsuit-nfl-20140605-story.html He didn't say he never took painkillers. He said he never took steroids or PEDs. You really can't read, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 PatsFanTX: "The Jets have not won a Super Bowl since 1969." It wasn't even called the Super Bowl way back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I think there should be an asterisk, and a $ to signify the money kraft gives the refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 It wasn't even called the Super Bowl way back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The Eagles have almost as much bitterness towards the Patriots as the Jets and Jets fans, but this is not the first time we've heard players from other teams grumbling about the Pats and their 'methods'. No, everyone else does NOT do it. Only other cheaters say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 It wasn't even called the Super Bowl way back then. You're resurrecting this tired routine, now. You spent like five years not posting here. You really didn't come up with any new material? That's just lazy. You used to be one of the great trolls in the history of the internet. Now you're Jesse Owens racing a horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 If only this were NASCAR they would be celebrated for their genius. NASCAR suspends the hell out of people. Chip Knaus has been suspended multiple times if you want to compare him to Belichik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 You're resurrecting this tired routine, now. You spent like five years not posting here. You really didn't come up with any new material? That's just lazy. You used to be one of the great trolls in the history of the internet. Now you're Jesse Owens racing a horse. Must be difficult when not even viagra can save your flacid dong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 "They were a great team, they were a great dynasty and they were also great at cheating," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 NASCAR suspends the hell out of people. Chip Knaus has been suspended multiple times if you want to compare him to Belichik. Yep and he has won a sh*tload of championships and is generally looked upon favorably. Bending the rules is cool, especially if you don't get caught. The 7/8s Chevelle, the vinyl Road Runner. Those things are celebrated, not looked down on as an "unfair advantage" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Really nothing that the whole football world doesn't feel other than a few broadcasters and pats fans. Nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Of course it will. People hate the fact that the Patriots have 4 Super Bowl titles in the last 14 years. That's untrue. If they had won them fairly, most of us would tip our cap and say "good job". It would suck, but I can respect it. That team has not earned any respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidoYastrzemski Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 . You used to be one of the great trolls in the history of the internet. Now you're Jesse Owens racing a horse. More like Marcellus Wiley analyzing the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Jets fans whining about the PATS 24/7 :rl: That must have hit a nerve. Or you just have a knack of getting butt hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Of course it will. People hate the fact that the Patriots have 4 Super Bowl titles in the last 14 years. People don't hate the 49ers for all their titles. infact they are revered for their success. Nor do people hate any other team for their success. But those very same people want to put an asterisk on the Pats titles. Why would that be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The Eagles have almost as much bitterness towards the Patriots as the Jets and Jets fans, but this is not the first time we've heard players from other teams grumbling about the Pats and their 'methods'. No, everyone else does NOT do it. Only other cheaters say that. No Eagles fans just hate everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Yep and he has won a sh*tload of championships and is generally looked upon favorably. Bending the rules is cool, especially if you don't get caught. The 7/8s Chevelle, the vinyl Road Runner. Those things are celebrated, not looked down on as an "unfair advantage" Eh, I don't know bow favorably he's looked upon. I'm an HMS fan and I consider him the biggest cheater out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 That's untrue. If they had won them fairly, most of us would tip our cap and say "good job". It would suck, but I can respect it. That team has not earned any respect. So, do you respect the Broncos who blatantly circumvented the salary cap to keep Elway and Davis to win Super Bowls? Or what about the Dolphins who did not cover the field during a monsoon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 So, do you respect the Broncos who blatantly circumvented the salary cap to keep Elway and Davis to win Super Bowls? Or what about the Dolphins who did not cover the field during a monsoon? Of course not. But they don't have a bunch of smarmy dickhead fans defending every move. If you really think about it, you're the reason the world hates the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 No Eagles fans just hate everybody. yes that was the point, when stating that they're not the only ones that hate the Pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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