nico002 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 When you have decker and Marshall you cannot have any redzone trip end with less than to pass attempts to those guys. on multiple occasions we settled for running plays there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkajet01 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 When u play not to lose, you usually lose Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 38 minutes ago, nico002 said: When you have decker and Marshall you cannot have any redzone trip end with less than to pass attempts to those guys. on multiple occasions we settled for running plays there The problem is not calling run plays, but WHAT run plays you run. First or second and goal at the one you run the QB sneak PERIOD. You NEVER turn and hand off to a back four freaking yards deep unless you have a guy who can leap over the top from three yards out - which the Jets DON'T have. You ran QB power and have the RB push him in the end zone. Stupid to do anything else. It is the Patriots bread and butter on short yardage. Watch how many times Brady just reaches the ball over the line. Really dumb to do anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 lots of hings killed us. You cant put it on one play. But I will say that instead of a 5 wide QB sneaks just do a direct snap to Powell or Forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 We were on a drive where Forte was slapping the entire Cinci defense on their chins with his giant balls. Get down into the red zone and all of a sudden it's a good idea to line him out wide and run a QB draw up the middle. Throw to Decker, throw to Marshall, give it to Forte or Powell or whatever, just don't ******* do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 If we had thrown the ball and not converted the thread title would be, Passing calls in the redzone cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckomania Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Chan Gailey's time has passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 35 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said: The problem is not calling run plays, but WHAT run plays you run. First or second and goal at the one you run the QB sneak PERIOD. You NEVER turn and hand off to a back four freaking yards deep unless you have a guy who can leap over the top from three yards out - which the Jets DON'T have. You ran QB power and have the RB push him in the end zone. Stupid to do anything else. It is the Patriots bread and butter on short yardage. Watch how many times Brady just reaches the ball over the line. Really dumb to do anything else. Bengals could not stop the off tackle pulling G/C plays. If you run inside against huge tackles they will stop you. Was as i they didn't bother to scout the defense they were facing. Or didn't even bother to go with what was working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Where was the OP when Fitz threw two ducks to Marshall and lobbed a shuttle pass to Forte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 yeah, always throw it 1st and Goal at CIN 4 (4:36 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass incomplete short right to B.Marshall (D.Kirkpatrick) 2nd and 4 at CIN 4 (4:32 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass incomplete short middle to B.Marshall 3rd and Goal at CIN 4 (4:28 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass short right to B.Powell to CIN 4 for no gain (J.Shaw) 4th and Goal at CIN 4 (3:45 - 1st) N.Folk 22 yard field goal is BLOCKED (M.Hunt), Center-T.Purdum, Holder-L.Edwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 55 minutes ago, Larz said: yeah, always throw it 1st and Goal at CIN 4 (4:36 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass incomplete short right to B.Marshall (D.Kirkpatrick) 2nd and 4 at CIN 4 (4:32 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass incomplete short middle to B.Marshall 3rd and Goal at CIN 4 (4:28 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass short right to B.Powell to CIN 4 for no gain (J.Shaw) 4th and Goal at CIN 4 (3:45 - 1st) N.Folk 22 yard field goal is BLOCKED (M.Hunt), Center-T.Purdum, Holder-L.Edwards Ummmmm folks didn't see those plays...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Ex-Rex said: The problem is not calling run plays, but WHAT run plays you run. First or second and goal at the one you run the QB sneak PERIOD. You NEVER turn and hand off to a back four freaking yards deep unless you have a guy who can leap over the top from three yards out - which the Jets DON'T have. You ran QB power and have the RB push him in the end zone. Stupid to do anything else. It is the Patriots bread and butter on short yardage. Watch how many times Brady just reaches the ball over the line. Really dumb to do anything else. I SAID THE SAME THING WHEN THEY RAN THOSE PLAYS. Totally stupid and that is on OUR OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Todd Bowles hes as much to blame as Fitzpatrick poor game plan you go up early and then you lay down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkajet01 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Run run run on first down Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 14 hours ago, hawk said: If we had thrown the ball and not converted the thread title would be, Passing calls in the redzone cost us. This is true. My favorite part personally is the same people who complain we don't pass the ball in the redzone complain that the guy throwing the ball can't accurately pass the ball. By the logic you would gather from a good chunk of this forum the last thing you would want to do is have Fitz pass the ball. I personally think we played a good game against a great team and the loss is obviously just a bit bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Not having a big RB (Khiry) hurt us badly inside the 5. We need a bruiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 running the up the middle after the QB draw was as dumb a play call as I can think of... You had to think they were ready for a QB and would clog the middle...but worse than even the QB sneak - you run someone from 4 yards deep...Just a very bad play call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 11 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Todd Bowles hes as much to blame as Fitzpatrick poor game plan you go up early and then you lay down Bull, the Jets allowed Fitz to try and throw for a TD on the 2nd series after the INT . It didn't work, so they tried to run the ball the next time and that didn't work . The problem I had was not the play calling, but more so the game situation awareness . The strength of our OL appears to be off LT behind Carpenter, the TE and Clady but instead, we ran the ball into the teeth of the Bengals defense and we got what we deserved . Furthermore, In the Red zone, Fitzpatrick has got to stop locking onto Brandon Marshall . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tinstar said: Bull, the Jets allowed Fitz to try and throw for a TD on the 2nd series after the INT . It didn't work, so they tried to run the ball the next time and that didn't work . The problem I had was not the play calling, but more so the game situation awareness . The strength of our OL appears to be off LT behind Carpenter, the TE and Clady but instead, we ran the ball into the teeth of the Bengals defense and we got what we deserved . Furthermore, In the Red zone, Fitzpatrick has got to stop locking onto Brandon Marshall . Exactly old habits are hard to break we blew an opportunity to win a big game yesterday because of mistakes the Jets beat themselves the Bengals did not beat the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 16 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: We were on a drive where Forte was slapping the entire Cinci defense on their chins with his giant balls. Get down into the red zone and all of a sudden it's a good idea to line him out wide and run a QB draw up the middle. Throw to Decker, throw to Marshall, give it to Forte or Powell or whatever, just don't ******* do that. Forte was terrible in short yardage, which I've tried to prepare folks for, so part of me wonders if the play calling was some weird over-compensation for that. I dunno. In all the ways the Patriots looked elevated by good coaching to compensate for middling talent last night, the Jets looked the opposite, they've got the talent and the coaching didn't make sense to me. I thought Bowles was influenced by Arians, why not put the pedal to the floor? What the **** are we doing letting Cincy back into the game... the window to run up the score early was there, and we shied away from it like @Jetsfan80 from intercourse. Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Forte was terrible in short yardage, which I've tried to prepare folks for, so part of me wonders if the play calling was some weird over-compensation for that. I dunno. In all the ways the Patriots looked elevated by good coaching to compensate for middling talent last night, the Jets looked the opposite, they've got the talent and the coaching didn't make sense to me. I thought Bowles was influenced by Arians, why not put the pedal to the floor? What the **** are we doing letting Cincy back into the game... the window to run up the score early was there, and we shied away from it like @Jetsfan80 from intercourse. Awful. So you're saying sometimes you just gotta put it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: So you're saying sometimes you just gotta put it in? Coffee is for closers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 The play calling was bizarre in the RZ. Numerous times we had one on one looks for Marshall and Decker. They were at the 1 yard line and ran a slow developing run. They should have just put Fitz right up Mangold's ass. That and Fitz missed Marshall on a gimme that changed the entire game. Instead of 14-0, we kicked a FG that was blocked. I said it right there and then, that will cost us the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Jetster said: Not having a big RB (Khiry) hurt us badly inside the 5. We need a bruiser. Too bad Sheldon wasn't available for that short yardage carry he has 2 rushing td's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Powell was 4 for 41 yesterday, most of them off tackle. Why didn't he see the ball down by the goal line? Problem is even a good defense is gonna fail a few times every game. You cannot take the easy way and settle for FG attempts. Sense that Bowles and Gailey are too passive, not aggressive, willing to settle, not urgent enough on offense. Jets have bragged all preseason about the size of the OL, for f__'s sake, use it down by the goal. And running up the middle vs. 2 or 3 350 lbers waiting for you is FREAKING STUPID FOOTBALL. 2 1st and goals inside the 4 with all of three points to show for it is FAILURE. Once again, looks like this franchise hired a DC to be HC in a time when offense is exploding. AGAIN. THIS IS A RECORDING. DOING THE SAME SHEET OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 17 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: We were on a drive where Forte was slapping the entire Cinci defense on their chins with his giant balls. Get down into the red zone and all of a sudden it's a good idea to line him out wide and run a QB draw up the middle. Throw to Decker, throw to Marshall, give it to Forte or Powell or whatever, just don't ******* do that. The QB draw worked, he missed the end zone by less than 1/2 a yard. What doesn't work, and never will, is throwing Forte up the gut on goalline. He's a between the 20's shifty runner, he's no goalline battering ram. And the way Marshall played yesterday, we could have thrown to him 4 times in a row, I think he'd have been covered or dropped it all four times, he looked remarkable uninterested and meh yesterday. No, as was stated above, we should have followed up with a QB powersneak (a la Brady) behind Mangold from the 1/2 yard line. We lack the bruiser to hand off to there (powell maybe, but definitely not Forte). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 They do need a bruiser back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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