ZachEY Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: MOST fans did. It's the same principle electing a president, If you vote for Trump and he becomes president, you have no right to complain about him afterwards. That's fair LOL. Talk about false a false corollary. Fans don't pick the roster. The GM's job is to know more than the fans. I don't remember being summoned to the polls this off season to offer my support for different Jets moves. Based on your commentary, why even have a GM? Why not just email ballots to season ticket holders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Who knows how well/poorly Dak would do with our OL and playing the teams we played with our CS. That being said, Dak wasn't hurt in preseason and Romo was knocked out for several games. Had Petty not gotten hurt and had Fitz and Geno went down, I am sure we would have at least played Petty for a few games. You really can't take one player out of a team and set of circumstances and apply it to another. Of course, the way Fitz has looked, we likely would have been better off playing anyone else. Also, Fitz might be better than Petty NOW. But, given enough reps in practice and in the game, hopefully Petty will step up. If Petty won't eventually (or soon) become better than Fitz, there wasn't much point in drafting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I like how a thread about a silver lining has turned into another sh*t show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Mac knew what we had before the season started. He said he didn't think the playoffs were a benchmark for success this season. He knew we weren't getting near the post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: MOST fans did. It's the same principle electing a president, If you vote for Trump and he becomes president, you have no right to complain about him afterwards. That's fair This is a false analogy. A decision to vote for someone is different than assessing someone else's decision. Voting is something we all as citizens are qualified to do in the sense that we are entitled to make our judgment based on what we choose to make it on. The only qualifications necessary are to register, meaning be legally able to, and then doing it, and voting, meaning showing up and getting it done. Having said that a voter IS entitled to criticize who they voted for later if the candidate they voted for turns out to have misled, or turned out to be incompetent or whatever that was not clear at the time. When by comparison a fan looks at a decision a GM is paid to make, the fan has less information available, and does not pretend to be as qualified to make that decision as the GM. So even if I with my limited information and admitted lack of job experience as a GM thinks some move that turns out badly was good at the time, that does not preclude me from criticizing the move later. The GM is paid to make that decision and has more info available. Not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 hours ago, gEYno said: LOL. Talk about false a false corollary. Fans don't pick the roster. The GM's job is to know more than the fans. I don't remember being summoned to the polls this off season to offer my support for different Jets moves. Based on your commentary, why even have a GM? Why not just email ballots to season ticket holders? That's what I said. It's absurd that dopey fan desire to do a foolish thing is used as an excuse. The fans aren't the GM. He's paid to know better, not to perform the same as the common fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 8 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: I would respond with how one could use orphans for measurement but it's only Monday and I'm not ready to get that dark yet. I may try and use the follow function for the first time. Kinda dont want to miss this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionCA Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 this is got to be a satire thread right? please tell me it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 9 hours ago, kevinc855 said: agreed, the good news for Jet fans is there is a lot of young talent. The receiving corps, D line, half of the LB corps are all relatively young. Once we address QB, O Line is next to be built up. You act like it's "matter-of-fact" that we'll be able to do this. Since Namath have we ever really been stable at QB? Maybe for a couple of years each with O'Brien, Testaverde and Chad (who I never really even liked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 1 hour ago, fusionCA said: this is got to be a satire thread right? please tell me it is I'm surprised it isn't longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 10 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Despite the crappiness of the loss, one thing stood out. We have young talent on this team. Anderson and J. Marshall both had great games. Jenkins had a solid game. You can question the Fitz deal ( pressure from owner) and the Mo deal ( MMQB at its finest) but you can't question his talent evaluation. I just hope that Woody can back off a bit and give him time I like the way Macc is building the team so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Since it's somehow forgotten by fans busy licking Maccagnan's face, here are the under-contract starters for the 2017 Jets: Offense QB - ? RB - 31 year old Matt Forte TE - ? (Sefarian-Jenkins?) WRs - 33 yr old Marshall, 30 yr old Decker, Enunwa (+ lots of depth) LT - ? (31 yr old Clady would need to agree to a pay cut or he's not returning) LG - Carpenter C - 33 yr old Mangold RG - ? RT - 32 yr old Giacomini? (could/should get cut) Defense DE - Williams, douchebag Mo, douchebag Sheldon NT - 31 yr old McLendon OLB - Lee, Maudlin?, maybe Jordan Jenkins starts ILB - 33 yr old Harris? (could/should get cut), Stanford/Henderson? CB/NB - 32 yr old douchebag Revis? (could/should be cut), Skrine, ? S - Gilchrist, Pryor Treating all ?s as gone/cut or returning as sucky or meh starters, we are looking at FAs or improvement/stability needs at a good 13 starting positions: QB, TE, LT, RT, RG, OLB, ILB, ILB, LCB, RCB, NB, FS, SS (and though they don't start one, like most teams, FB) Then throw in locked-in, but certainly past their prime starters at: RB, C (Both the RBBC duo and C are around top 3 in positional spending for '17. Are we getting anywhere near top 3 production?) The 2017 roster amazingly has more starter needs than Maccagnan inherited in 2015, except now he doesn't have $50-60M/yr to throw around (or even a full 7 draft picks) and is locked into even more bad contracts of his own doing. So sick of this undue praise for our incompetent GM. Another boob hired to hopefully learn on the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said: Since it's somehow forgotten by fans busy licking Maccagnan's face, here are the under-contract starters for the 2017 Jets: Offense QB - ? RB - 31 year old Matt Forte TE - ? (Sefarian-Jenkins?) WRs - 33 yr old Marshall, 30 yr old Decker, Enunwa (+ lots of depth) LT - ? (31 yr old Clady would need to agree to a pay cut or he's not returning) LG - Carpenter C - 33 yr old Mangold RG - ? RT - 32 yr old Giacomini? (could/should get cut) Defense DE - Williams, douchebag Mo, douchebag Sheldon NT - 31 yr old McLendon OLB - Lee, Maudlin?, maybe Jordan Jenkins starts ILB - 33 yr old Harris? (could/should get cut), Stanford/Henderson? CB/NB - 32 yr old douchebag Revis? (could/should be cut), Skrine, ? S - Gilchrist, Pryor Treating all ?s as gone/cut or returning as sucky or meh starters, we are looking at improvement/stability needs at a good 13 starting positions: QB, TE, LT, RT, RG, OLB, ILB, ILB, LCB, RCB, NB, FS, SS (and though they don't start one, like most teams, FB) Then throw in locked-in, but certainly past their prime starters at: RB, C (Both the RBBC duo and C are around top 3 in positional spending for '17. Are we getting anywhere near top 3 production?) The 2017 roster amazingly has more starter needs than Maccagnan inherited in 2015, except now he doesn't have $50-60M/yr to throw around (or even a full 7 draft picks) and is locked into even more bad contracts of his own doing. So sick of this undue praise for our incompetent GM. Another boob hired to hopefully learn on the job. Pryor is decent and will get better he hits like a truck remember he is a product of the bad environment here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Since it's somehow forgotten by fans busy licking Maccagnan's face, here are the under-contract starters for the 2017 Jets: Offense QB - ? RB - 31 year old Matt Forte TE - ? (Sefarian-Jenkins?) WRs - 33 yr old Marshall, 30 yr old Decker, Enunwa (+ lots of depth) LT - ? (31 yr old Clady would need to agree to a pay cut or he's not returning) LG - Carpenter C - 33 yr old Mangold RG - ? RT - 32 yr old Giacomini? (could/should get cut) Defense DE - Williams, douchebag Mo, douchebag Sheldon NT - 31 yr old McLendon OLB - Lee, Maudlin?, maybe Jordan Jenkins starts ILB - 33 yr old Harris? (could/should get cut), Stanford/Henderson? CB/NB - 32 yr old douchebag Revis? (could/should be cut), Skrine, ? S - Gilchrist, Pryor Treating all ?s as gone/cut or returning as sucky or meh starters, we are looking at improvement/stability needs at a good 13 starting positions: QB, TE, LT, RT, RG, OLB, ILB, ILB, LCB, RCB, NB, FS, SS (and though they don't start one, like most teams, FB) Then throw in locked-in, but certainly past their prime starters at: RB, C (Both the RBBC duo and C are around top 3 in positional spending for '17. Are we getting anywhere near top 3 production?) The 2017 roster amazingly has more starter needs than Maccagnan inherited in 2015, except now he doesn't have $50-60M/yr to throw around (or even a full 7 draft picks) and is locked into even more bad contracts of his own doing. So sick of this undue praise for our incompetent GM. Another boob hired to hopefully learn on the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 11 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Since it's somehow forgotten by fans busy licking Maccagnan's face, here are the under-contract starters for the 2017 Jets: Offense QB - ? RB - 31 year old Matt Forte TE - ? (Sefarian-Jenkins?) WRs - 33 yr old Marshall, 30 yr old Decker, Enunwa (+ lots of depth) LT - ? (31 yr old Clady would need to agree to a pay cut or he's not returning) LG - Carpenter C - 33 yr old Mangold RG - ? RT - 32 yr old Giacomini? (could/should get cut) Defense DE - Williams, douchebag Mo, douchebag Sheldon NT - 31 yr old McLendon OLB - Lee, Maudlin?, maybe Jordan Jenkins starts ILB - 33 yr old Harris? (could/should get cut), Stanford/Henderson? CB/NB - 32 yr old douchebag Revis? (could/should be cut), Skrine, ? S - Gilchrist, Pryor Treating all ?s as gone/cut or returning as sucky or meh starters, we are looking at improvement/stability needs at a good 13 starting positions: QB, TE, LT, RT, RG, OLB, ILB, ILB, LCB, RCB, NB, FS, SS (and though they don't start one, like most teams, FB) Then throw in locked-in, but certainly past their prime starters at: RB, C (Both the RBBC duo and C are around top 3 in positional spending for '17. Are we getting anywhere near top 3 production?) The 2017 roster amazingly has more starter needs than Maccagnan inherited in 2015, except now he doesn't have $50-60M/yr to throw around (or even a full 7 draft picks) and is locked into even more bad contracts of his own doing. So sick of this undue praise for our incompetent GM. Another boob hired to hopefully learn on the job. If only someone had seen this coming. Maybe a roving band of misfits cast aside as pessimistic provocateurs, dismissed as mutineers yelling quantitative gobbledygook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said: If only someone had seen this coming. Maybe a roving band of misfits cast aside as pessimistic provocateurs, dismissed as mutineers yelling quantitative gobbledygook. Sounds like a buncha homos to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Sounds like a buncha homos to me They are. I know the type, believe you me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 22 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Sounds like a buncha homos to me Big homos. Huge homos. Many people are saying that they're the gayest homos ever. Believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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