Do You Think The Bills Could Snatch Davis Webb Away From The Jets

[j4jets]

Davis Webb is obviously the next GOAT QB. That’s why he’s on the Jets PS. Let it sink in. 

[Jet Nut]

5 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

NEVER underestimate the IMPORTANCE of a QUALITY Back Up QB, especially if he's on the NY Jets. 

And what had he showed in his career to let anyone think he is even close to being a QUALITY back up QB? 

[slats]

Most likely backup to Darnold next season is Josh McCown. There’s no reason for him to retire if he’s going to be offered millions again to play, and if the Jets inexplicably decide to pass someone else will offer him millions. He’s not going to reduce his pay by 90% or more until he’s forced to. 

If Davis Webb is on the Jets next year, he’ll likely be competing with McCown for the backup job, and likely losing. 

[David Harris]

Yeah I just always assumed Josh Mccown retires after this year but the guy would probably prefer to backup Sam and stay active as a player rather than go right into coaching - hang on to the opportunity to play while getting paid more than a QB coach.

Sam's development being most important, I guess I'd prefer Josh to stay as a mentor over Webb for 2019.  It just such a dynamic shift to NOT prefer the young backup with potential BECAUSE we actually have a franchise QB for the first time in my life.

 

 

[Fantasy Island]

15 hours ago, nico002 said:

I don’t give a crap 

[nycdan]

I'm fine with any backup QB in the league except Ryan Fitzpatrick.  Do NOT sign Fitz as our backup.  ARE YOU LISTENING, MACC?!

[Bruce Harper]

18 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I dunno. Have you seen the Bills offense? That's a dreadful situation. If I'm him I think I go the "groomed backup" who eventually gets a shot to start with a respectable team over walking into the worst offensive situation in the NFL where I'm virtually guaranteed to fail.

But behind Darnold there's not much chance he would ever get to play.  Not perfect but beggars can't be choosers.

[GREENBEAN]

Most likely backup to Darnold next season is Josh McCown. There’s no reason for him to retire if he’s going to be offered millions again to play, and if the Jets inexplicably decide to pass someone else will offer him millions. He’s not going to reduce his pay by 90% or more until he’s forced to. 
If Davis Webb is on the Jets next year, he’ll likely be competing with McCown for the backup job, and likely losing. 

Do you see McCown moving into a coaching role with Webb sliding into the back up position?

I like the idea but am not sure how realistic thinking of mccown as a coach is.


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[#27TheDominator]

18 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

He was flat out cut by Rex in 2010 for Clowney, IIRC, and was signed by the Pats a week or two later, and 1 day prior to, playing the Jets on MNF.

This narrative that Rex didn't like Woodhead is a crock of sh*t.  They cut him to put him on the practice squad.  The Jets cut him Tuesday.  The Pats traded Maroney and picked him up later in the week.  At the time it was looked at as Lil Bill trying to get insight into the Jets O.  Woodhead has been on the practice squad shuttle previously.  Tannenbaum had been developing Woodhead a tiny school RB that had a knee reconstruction in 2008. Woodhead was cut because he sucked on specials.  He literally was at fault for giving up contain on both of Ginn's TD returns in 2009, which cost us a game and almost the playoffs.  I thought Westhoff was going to beat him with the cane.  People look at that game and think that a prime Rex D gave up 30 points to Chad ******* Henne.  Actually, of that 30 - 14 was on Ted Ginn kick returns and 7 was on a Jason Taylor fumble return.  The D actually gave up 52 yards rushing and 112 yards to Henne, who they sacked 6 times for 60 yards. And lost!  People wonder why these defensive coaches don't want to turn offenses loose. 

The 2010 Jets needed special teams and McKnight was a better returner and cover guy and so was Clowney.   They  had Greene and Tomlinson, so nobody else was getting many carries.  They were short WRs because Santonio Holmes was suspended the 1st 4 games.  I think Patrick Turner was actually the placeholder, but he was injured.  That is why Woodhead was playing WR. Clowney was cut when Holmes came back. 

It is nice to pretend what a bad move this was, but 2010 was not a sh*t team like we have had since.  There were no open roster spots and specials could make the difference between winning a super bowl and missing the playoffs.  That team was close enough. 

[Philc1]

Why would any team want Davis Webb?  He is so bad he couldn’t pass Geno “I lost my playbook” Smith on the depth chart

[The Crusher]

13 hours ago, slats said:

Most likely backup to Darnold next season is Josh McCown. There’s no reason for him to retire if he’s going to be offered millions again to play, and if the Jets inexplicably decide to pass someone else will offer him millions. He’s not going to reduce his pay by 90% or more until he’s forced to. 

If Davis Webb is on the Jets next year, he’ll likely be competing with McCown for the backup job, and likely losing. 

Josh gonna ride that gravy train as long as he can and rightfully so. 

[slats]

26 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

Do you see McCown moving into a coaching role with Webb sliding into the back up position?

I like the idea but am not sure how realistic thinking of mccown as a coach is.

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That's exactly what I don't see. Not this year, anyway. If he doesn't play this year, or gets thru the season unhurt, I see little reason for him not to come back as the backup again next year. A high paid position coach makes maybe $400K/year, he would easily make 10x that as the backup QB. 

And when it comes time for him to hang up the cleats, he may decide he has enough money to not bother with the NFL grind for a fraction of what he made as a player. He does have a brood of kids he may want to spend time with. 

[BroadwayRay]

30 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

This narrative that Rex didn't like Woodhead is a crock of sh*t.  They cut him to put him on the practice squad.  The Jets cut him Tuesday.  The Pats traded Maroney and picked him up later in the week.  At the time it was looked at as Lil Bill trying to get insight into the Jets O.  Woodhead has been on the practice squad shuttle previously.  Tannenbaum had been developing Woodhead a tiny school RB that had a knee reconstruction in 2008. Woodhead was cut because he sucked on specials.  He literally was at fault for giving up contain on both of Ginn's TD returns in 2009, which cost us a game and almost the playoffs.  I thought Westhoff was going to beat him with the cane.  People look at that game and think that a prime Rex D gave up 30 points to Chad ******* Henne.  Actually, of that 30 - 14 was on Ted Ginn kick returns and 7 was on a Jason Taylor fumble return.  The D actually gave up 52 yards rushing and 112 yards to Henne, who they sacked 6 times for 60 yards. And lost!  People wonder why these defensive coaches don't want to turn offenses loose. 

The 2010 Jets needed special teams and McKnight was a better returner and cover guy and so was Clowney.   They  had Greene and Tomlinson, so nobody else was getting many carries.  They were short WRs because Santonio Holmes was suspended the 1st 4 games.  I think Patrick Turner was actually the placeholder, but he was injured.  That is why Woodhead was playing WR. Clowney was cut when Holmes came back. 

It is nice to pretend what a bad move this was, but 2010 was not a sh*t team like we have had since.  There were no open roster spots and specials could make the difference between winning a super bowl and missing the playoffs.  That team was close enough. 

The narrative that Rex Ryan didn't appreciate his talent or his potential as an offensive weapon certainly is true. And that's what led to him being cut.

This was clear in Hard Knocks, when Ryan flatly stated during a staff meeting that Woodhead was too short to amount to anything in the NFL. Ryan is and was a failure at evaluating personnel. It was evident with Woodhead, and it was evident in all the failed defensive players we picked in the first round under his reign.

[Philc1]

5 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

The narrative that Rex Ryan didn't appreciate his talent or his potential as an offensive weapon certainly is true. And that's what led to him being cut.

This was clear in Hard Knocks, when Ryan flatly stated during a staff meeting that Woodhead was too short to amount to anything in the NFL. Ryan is and was a failure at evaluating personnel. It was evident with Woodhead, and it was evident in all the failed defensive players we picked in the first round under his reign.

Woodhead was an ok player for a couple years you guys make this out to be like the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth for money

[BroadwayRay]

Just now, Philc1 said:

Woodhead was an ok player for a couple years you guys make this out to be like the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth for money

He was more than OK, and he would have been a weapon for the Jets had he been used properly.

[Philc1]

3 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

He was more than OK, and he would have been a weapon for the Jets had he been used properly.

He was basically what Bilal Powell is now.  

[#27TheDominator]

10 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

The narrative that Rex Ryan didn't appreciate his talent or his potential as an offensive weapon certainly is true. And that's what led to him being cut.

This was clear in Hard Knocks, when Ryan flatly stated during a staff meeting that Woodhead was too short to amount to anything in the NFL. Ryan is and was a failure at evaluating personnel. It was evident with Woodhead, and it was evident in all the failed defensive players we picked in the first round under his reign.

Yet, when the kid was on the street the Jets are the ones that signed him, used a roster spot on him and gave him carries. 

2 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

He was more than OK, and he would have been a weapon for the Jets had he been used properly.

Used him properly how?  By taking carries from Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene and Tomlinson?  Do you think the 2010 Jets power running attack may have made it a little more difficult for him to succeed than the Pats system? 

[Philc1]

Woodhead also benefitted greatly from playing with Rivers and Brady because they knew how to audible and put him in motion

 

do you really think Suckchez or Geno would have been able to do that?

[BroadwayRay]

7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Yet, when the kid was on the street the Jets are the ones that signed him, used a roster spot on him and gave him carries. 

Used him properly how?  By taking carries from Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene and Tomlinson?  Do you think the 2010 Jets power running attack may have made it a little more difficult for him to succeed than the Pats system? 

Jones wasn't on the Jets in 2010. Woodhead would have been a great change-of-pace, third-down specialist had he been used that way. He would have been another Bruce Harper/Leon Washington.

[#27TheDominator]

Just now, BroadwayRay said:

Jones wasn't on the Jets in 2010. Woodhead would have been a great change-of-pace, third-down specialist had he been used that way. He would have been another Bruce Harper/Leon Washington.

I know full well who was on the Jets and when.  You said they didn't know how to use him.  In 2009 he was coming off a full knee reconstruction AND BEHIND SHONN GREENE AND THOMAS JONES.  In 2010 he was behind possibly the greatest receiving back in the history of the game. He was going to change the pace?  Please.  Bruce Harper and Leon Washington also would have ridden the pine in that O.  OTOH, they would have been rostered because they added special teams value.  As I have ranted repeatedly, Woodhead did not. 

[BroadwayRay]

5 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I know full well who was on the Jets and when.  You said they didn't know how to use him.  In 2009 he was coming off a full knee reconstruction AND BEHIND SHONN GREENE AND THOMAS JONES.  In 2010 he was behind possibly the greatest receiving back in the history of the game. He was going to change the pace?  Please.  Bruce Harper and Leon Washington also would have ridden the pine in that O.  OTOH, they would have been rostered because they added special teams value.  As I have ranted repeatedly, Woodhead did not. 

Oh, so you're saying the Jets backfield should be limited to only one receiving threat? That's an interesting take. Fact is he would have been a great fit with Greene and Tomlinson as a third back and as someone who could also play in the slot. It also would have been a wise move to keep him since LT was getting old. But keep on defending Rex and Mr. T if you want.

[peebag]

20 hours ago, Bruce Harper said:

I think if they do want him he'd be dumb not to go, with a chance to play.

and more time put towards getting that pension!

[UntouchableCrew]

14 hours ago, slats said:

Most likely backup to Darnold next season is Josh McCown. There’s no reason for him to retire if he’s going to be offered millions again to play, and if the Jets inexplicably decide to pass someone else will offer him millions. He’s not going to reduce his pay by 90% or more until he’s forced to. 

 If Davis Webb is on the Jets next year, he’ll likely be competing with McCown for the backup job, and likely losing. 

I'm not sure I buy that. Josh McCown will be 40 years old next year. I'm not sure anyone is offering him huge money to play.

[#27TheDominator]

18 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

Wrong, he was never "Poached" from our PS. And as it was stated before:

Link to Source:

Woodhead saw his first regular season action on October 25, 2009. In the 38–0 win over the Oakland Raiders, Woodhead rushed three times for 24 yards.^[15] Overall, he finished the 2009 season with 15 carries for 64 rushing yards and eight receptions for 87 receiving yards.^[16]

Woodhead was released by the Jets on September 14, 2010.^[17]

New England Patriots[edit]

 

Woodhead with the Patriots in 2011.

Woodhead was signed by the New England Patriots on September 18, 2010, one day before the team's Week 2 matchup against the Jets.

You should take back that butt fumble on @Bocajetfan.  I am not sure how it was announced, but I 100% remember the Jets planning to, or actually putting Woodhead on the practice squad prior to the Pats picking him up.  You can't always trust transactions - ESPN doesn't even show him being cut in 2010, but plenty of sites show Larry Fitzgerald running a 4.7 at the combine when he didn't run at all. Here is a link that says exactly what he said.  Is is accurate?  Who knows?  Either way I am quite sure that was the plan. 

http://www.jetsgab.com/2010/09/19/patriots-sign-danny-woodhead-off-jets-practice-squad/

27 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

Oh, so you're saying the Jets backfield should be limited to only one receiving threat? That's an interesting take. Fact is he would have been a great fit with Greene and Tomlinson as a third back and as someone who could also play in the slot. It also would have been a wise move to keep him since LT was getting old. But keep on defending Rex and Mr. T if you want.

I am saying that if you want to be an "additional" receiving threat you'd better provide some value on specials. Woodhead did not.  He sucked on coverage teams.  You also better hope that a team doesn't have injury/suspension problems elsewhere - the Jets were thin at WR and NT after Jenkins went down.  It is moronic to act like the Jets didn't value Woodhead when they were the team to sign him to an UDFA contract and carried him through 3 camps.  He was on the street several times- when he was waived injured, when he was on the practice squad, yet nobody plucked him until the Pats traded Maroney.  Maybe you can say Rex didn't see the value, but how much did he meddle in offense?  Tannenbaum certainly valued him. 

14 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I'm not sure I buy that. Josh McCown will be 40 years old next year. I'm not sure anyone is offering him huge money to play.

Nobody was offering him huge money in 2017 and we gave him $6+M.   Nobody was offering him huge money in 2018 and we gave him $10+M.  Nobody was offering FItzpatrick huge money in 2016 and we gave him $12M.  See how this works? 

[UntouchableCrew]

Just now, #27TheDominator said:

Nobody was offering him huge money in 2017 and we gave him $6+M.   Nobody was offering him huge money in 2018 and we gave him $10+M.  Nobody was offering FItzpatrick huge money in 2016 and we gave him $12M.  See how this works? 

Well, you're wrong about last year. The Bills were very much interested in offering McCown money to start for them in 2018. That's why we paid him and why they just plucked Derek Anderson off his couch to play the Colts this week.

Regardless, he'll be 40 years old next year. I would be surprised if he was on a 53 man roster... Although I agree with the general idea that he has no real need or incentive to embrace the grind of coaching.

[bealeb319]

What is the difference if the bills sign him or not next off-season we should be looking for a veteran to warm the bench for darnold anyway someone with experience so that if we are playing good and Darnold goes down we have someone without jitters to step in and hopefully keep us alive while darnold recovers

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[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Well, you're wrong about last year. The Bills were very much interested in offering McCown money to start for them in 2018. That's why we paid him and why they just plucked Derek Anderson off his couch to play the Colts this week.

Regardless, he'll be 40 years old next year. I would be surprised if he was on a 53 man roster... Although I agree with the general idea that he has no real need or incentive to embrace the grind of coaching.

Yeah, sure, maybe, but the Bills signed AJ McCarron, who they were linked to earlier and paid him for 2 years what the Jets gave Uncle Josh for one.  they "just plucked Derek Anderson off his couch to play the Colts this week." because they decided Allen could start and they like Peterman for some reason.  I don't think other teams envy their QB analysis

[BroadwayRay]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

You should take back that butt fumble on @Bocajetfan.  I am not sure how it was announced, but I 100% remember the Jets planning to, or actually putting Woodhead on the practice squad prior to the Pats picking him up.  You can't always trust transactions - ESPN doesn't even show him being cut in 2010, but plenty of sites show Larry Fitzgerald running a 4.7 at the combine when he didn't run at all. Here is a link that says exactly what he said.  Is is accurate?  Who knows?  Either way I am quite sure that was the plan. 

http://www.jetsgab.com/2010/09/19/patriots-sign-danny-woodhead-off-jets-practice-squad/

I am saying that if you want to be an "additional" receiving threat you'd better provide some value on specials. Woodhead did not.  He sucked on coverage teams.  You also better hope that a team doesn't have injury/suspension problems elsewhere - the Jets were thin at WR and NT after Jenkins went down.  It is moronic to act like the Jets didn't value Woodhead when they were the team to sign him to an UDFA contract and carried him through 3 camps.  He was on the street several times- when he was waived injured, when he was on the practice squad, yet nobody plucked him until the Pats traded Maroney.  Maybe you can say Rex didn't see the value, but how much did he meddle in offense?  Tannenbaum certainly valued him. 

Nobody was offering him huge money in 2017 and we gave him $6+M.   Nobody was offering him huge money in 2018 and we gave him $10+M.  Nobody was offering FItzpatrick huge money in 2016 and we gave him $12M.  See how this works? 

In the final analysis, Tannenbaum admitted himself he made a mistake. Didn't you ever watch CSI:NY?

[GREENBEAN]

That's exactly what I don't see. Not this year, anyway. If he doesn't play this year, or gets thru the season unhurt, I see little reason for him not to come back as the backup again next year. A high paid position coach makes maybe $400K/year, he would easily make 10x that as the backup QB. 
And when it comes time for him to hang up the cleats, he may decide he has enough money to not bother with the NFL grind for a fraction of what he made as a player. He does have a brood of kids he may want to spend time with. 

Interesting. I see your point. I don’t see him getting the macc gift of $10 mil again though.
But still 4 mil is better than 400,000 for sure.

Sometimes that competitive drive is tough to quell though.


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