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Chiefs add 'assistant head coach' to Dave Toub's job title

Chiefs coach Andy Reid has promoted special teams coach Dave Toub to assistant head coach, the club announced Friday.

Toub, 55, will retain his special teams duties. 

“Dave has had the opportunity to work with our team on both sides of the football, on the field, and in the classroom,” Reid said in a statement. “His leadership qualities have entrusted me to promote him to assistant head coach.” 

Toub has been on the Chiefs' staff since Andy Reid arrived before the 2013 season. Since then, he has burnished his reputation as one of the finest special teams coaches in the game.

Toub's special teams units have ranked among the best in the league. He has been interviewed for a handful of head coaching jobs since coming to Kansas City, most recently with the Los Angeles Chargers and Denver Broncos a year ago.

Toub replaces Brad Childress in the assistant head coach role. Childress, a longtime Reid assistant, briefly retired in January before joining the staff of new Chicago Bears head coach — and former Chiefs offensive coordinator — Matt Nagy. Childress is Nagy's offensive consultant..

The Chiefs also this week announced the promotion of head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder to vice president of sports medicine and performance. He will continue to oversee the team's athletic training staff and will add oversight of the strength and conditioning and equipment departments to his responsibilities.

 
 

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Jets Coaching Candidate of the Day: Dave Toub

With Todd Bowles likely on the way out at the end of the season, we are going to take a look at some of the potential candidates to replace him. Whenever we do something like this, there are some typical criticisms that always pop up like, “Why profile this guy? He stinks!” and “He won’t be interested.” We aren’t just profiling the good candidates or suggesting these people are all likely to take the job. We are simply looking at people the Jets could reasonably expected to call.

Today’s candidate: Dave Toub

Category: NFL Assistant

Current Job: Kansas City Chiefs Assistant Head Coach and Special Teams Coordinator

Years of NFL Coaching Experience: 18

Head Coaching Experience: None

Ties to Jets: None

Pros:

  • Outstanding coach. His special teams units in Chicago and Kansas City have been in the top ten of Football Outsiders’ DVOA every year since 2006.
  • Highly respected in the league.
  • Has worked in major markets like Chicago and Philadelphia, which at least have given him a taste for the pressures of New York.
  • Part of the Andy Reid coaching tree.
  • Current job in Kansas City gives him access to the pipeline of Chiefs coaches as he builds his staff on the offensive side of the ball.

Cons:

  • Has never been a head coach before.
  • Hiring him wouldn’t generate a ton of hype.

The Bottom Line:

I think I gave it away a bit with the cons. There are only two, and the part about not generating much hype SHOULD have zero impact on the coaching search. It should be about finding the best possible coach.

I think in the Jets’ situation people frequently mistake searching for a head coach with searching for an offensive coordinator. I get that. The Jets have been bad on offense for a long time. They have hired mostly coaches from the defensive side of the ball. And now they have a young quarterback to develop.

The thing is there isn’t much correlation between hiring an offensive coordinator and having success. A lot of the great quarterbacks in the league developed under head coaches without a defensive background, and plenty of offensive coordinators turned head coach have whiffed at trying to develop young quarterbacks.

There is an odd bias in the NFL against hiring special teams coordinators as head coaches. For years everybody who followed the Jets knew Mike Westhoff was the best coach of the staff. Whenever the Jets had a coaching vacancy, however, he’d get nothing more than a token interview. It’s odd because unlike offensive and defensive coordinators, special teams coordinators work with players on both sides of the ball and have to come up with creative ways to utilize players at the bottom of the roster. That’s pretty good training for a head coaching job.

Jason LaCanfora also spelled out the case for Toub two years ago.

A personnel exec who used to work with Toub, 54, said: “If Dave Toub can’t get a job in this league, then I give up. Talk to other coaches in the league. They know who is for real and who is horsesh*t or the flavor of the month. This guy can coach a football team. He’d be the first guy I’d talk to, and it isn’t even really close.”

It really is kind of amazing how much these searches are based on hype. Owners want to be able to sell the next hot coach running a designer system. What they really should do is find the best leader for their team.

I couldn’t guarantee you that Dave Toub is the next great NFL head coach. Some guys just aren’t capable of successfully moving from assistant into the head job, even if they are widely respected in the league (Todd Bowles).

I can tell you, however, that I would be very optimistic if this was the hire the Jets made. It seems like everybody in the know in the NFL raves about what a great coach Toub is.

And if you want that designer offense, Toub happens to be employed by the team with the best scheme in the league. If he is half as good as people say he is, I’m sure he’d bring over some colleagues to import that system.

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17 minutes ago, King P said:

I like Toub as well as Bieniemy. Would be fine with either of them

Same. I think Toub deserves his shot. And he’ll probably bring someone like Bieniemy on board if anything. He’s been around great offense and he’s seen Pat Mahomes be groomed first hand. Both of them have. He’ll know what needs to be done and who needs to be in charge of fixing the offense. Doug Pederson, Matt Nagy, ect. have all had a chance to show how it’s done.

He also seems to have an eye for talent. I’d be giddy if we hired Dave Toub.

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53 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Jets Coaching Candidate of the Day: Dave Toub

With Todd Bowles likely on the way out at the end of the season, we are going to take a look at some of the potential candidates to replace him. Whenever we do something like this, there are some typical criticisms that always pop up like, “Why profile this guy? He stinks!” and “He won’t be interested.” We aren’t just profiling the good candidates or suggesting these people are all likely to take the job. We are simply looking at people the Jets could reasonably expected to call.

Today’s candidate: Dave Toub

Category: NFL Assistant

Current Job: Kansas City Chiefs Assistant Head Coach and Special Teams Coordinator

Years of NFL Coaching Experience: 18

Head Coaching Experience: None

Ties to Jets: None

Pros:

  • Outstanding coach. His special teams units in Chicago and Kansas City have been in the top ten of Football Outsiders’ DVOA every year since 2006.
  • Highly respected in the league.
  • Has worked in major markets like Chicago and Philadelphia, which at least have given him a taste for the pressures of New York.
  • Part of the Andy Reid coaching tree.
  • Current job in Kansas City gives him access to the pipeline of Chiefs coaches as he builds his staff on the offensive side of the ball.

Cons:

  • Has never been a head coach before.
  • Hiring him wouldn’t generate a ton of hype.

The Bottom Line:

I think I gave it away a bit with the cons. There are only two, and the part about not generating much hype SHOULD have zero impact on the coaching search. It should be about finding the best possible coach.

I think in the Jets’ situation people frequently mistake searching for a head coach with searching for an offensive coordinator. I get that. The Jets have been bad on offense for a long time. They have hired mostly coaches from the defensive side of the ball. And now they have a young quarterback to develop.

The thing is there isn’t much correlation between hiring an offensive coordinator and having success. A lot of the great quarterbacks in the league developed under head coaches without a defensive background, and plenty of offensive coordinators turned head coach have whiffed at trying to develop young quarterbacks.

There is an odd bias in the NFL against hiring special teams coordinators as head coaches. For years everybody who followed the Jets knew Mike Westhoff was the best coach of the staff. Whenever the Jets had a coaching vacancy, however, he’d get nothing more than a token interview. It’s odd because unlike offensive and defensive coordinators, special teams coordinators work with players on both sides of the ball and have to come up with creative ways to utilize players at the bottom of the roster. That’s pretty good training for a head coaching job.

Jason LaCanfora also spelled out the case for Toub two years ago.

A personnel exec who used to work with Toub, 54, said: “If Dave Toub can’t get a job in this league, then I give up. Talk to other coaches in the league. They know who is for real and who is horsesh*t or the flavor of the month. This guy can coach a football team. He’d be the first guy I’d talk to, and it isn’t even really close.”

It really is kind of amazing how much these searches are based on hype. Owners want to be able to sell the next hot coach running a designer system. What they really should do is find the best leader for their team.

I couldn’t guarantee you that Dave Toub is the next great NFL head coach. Some guys just aren’t capable of successfully moving from assistant into the head job, even if they are widely respected in the league (Todd Bowles).

I can tell you, however, that I would be very optimistic if this was the hire the Jets made. It seems like everybody in the know in the NFL raves about what a great coach Toub is.

And if you want that designer offense, Toub happens to be employed by the team with the best scheme in the league. If he is half as good as people say he is, I’m sure he’d bring over some colleagues to import that system.

I have to admit, this was really well done. I learned a lot about a coach I didn’t really know about before tonight. The Cowher quotes sold me on how senseless it seems to have been for teams to ignore guys like Toub and Westhoff. How ironic would it be if the coach the Jets had been trying so hard to find for so many years was right there in the building all along?

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36 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

I have to admit, this was really well done. I learned a lot about a coach I didn’t really know about before tonight. The Cowher quotes sold me on how senseless it seems to have been for teams to ignore guys like Toub and Westhoff. How ironic would it be if the coach the Jets had been trying so hard to find for so many years was right there in the building all along?

Seriously. It seems like it just doesn’t get enough push with fans, GM’s, ect but ST coordinators really do naturally have more balance and a further understanding of how to speak to an entire team, as it is a huge part of being a head coach.

Too many times do flavor of the month offensive/defensive specialist burn out because they don’t understand how to manage the entire team — we’ve seen it with Rex, Bowles and countless other coaches on other teams. I think the fact that he was given the Assistant HC job was partly Reid’s way of telling other teams that the guy, after 18 long successful years, is ready for his shot at running a team. I think he was also given the job because Reid knows that the experience is invaluable for him and his time will come soon, he wants Toub to be ready. Reid loves the guy and thinks the world of him. KC thinks the world of him. Says he’s a very fine leader, he’s passionate, he’s well calculated, he’s bright and he’s vocal. I could see the guy on the sidelines with a headset on and I think a big reason why he hasn’t yet is because he’s a ST coordinator.

 

check this out, this is the Chiefs punter talking with media about Dave Toub’s ability to scheme and how he think’s ST coaches can make really good HC’s and that Andy really trusts Dave. He starts talking about him at about 1:30 into the video.

 

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22 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

It’s odd because unlike offensive and defensive coordinators, special teams coordinators work with players on both sides of the ball and have to come up with creative ways to utilize players at the bottom of the roster. That’s pretty good training for a head coaching job.

This part really perked my ears up, too. And just further puts what I previously said into better words.

I really hope the Jets consider the guy when it comes time to make phone calls.

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These two Pro's have me interested.  A few years back we wanted Mike Westhoff to be considered for the HC job because of his success.  John Harbaugh has done well as a former Special Teams coach so Toub is intriguing. 

  • Part of the Andy Reid coaching tree.
  • Current job in Kansas City gives him access to the pipeline of Chiefs coaches as he builds his staff on the offensive side of the ball.

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This guy deserves to be considered. The problem is, it’s not a media headline hire. So the Jets probably won’t even interview him, which is a damn shame. I have no idea if this or any of these guys will be good. But, this guy seems like a deserves real consideration.

The real questions for him that will matter will be:

- what is your offensive philosophy and how do you plan to employ it?

- who are you considerinf at oc and qb coach and how do you plan on managing those coaches and the qb position?

One of many...problems with Bowles is his offensive philosophy is based in the run game. Regardless of oc/qb coach/system his whole mentality is defense and ball control.

Also, Bowles likes to stick to his system and gameplan, with few adjustments.

If Toub is forward thinking, and likes to gameplan week to week based on opponents and wants to run an offense that enables the QB to develop and succeed, and hires the right offensive coaches, I’m all for signing Toub.

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Tbh, with the state this franchise is in, I'll cling to any shiny glimmer of hope. But Taub seems very intriguing. Really enjoyed reading this article and he is now one of my favorite prospects out there. Some of the the things said about him hold a lot of weight in my mind. 

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45 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

This guy deserves to be considered. The problem is, it’s not a media headline hire. So the Jets probably won’t even interview him, which is a damn shame. I have no idea if this or any of these guys will be good. But, this guy seems like a deserves real consideration.

The real questions for him that will matter will be:

- what is your offensive philosophy and how do you plan to employ it?

- who are you considerinf at oc and qb coach and how do you plan on managing those coaches and the qb position?

One of many...problems with Bowles is his offensive philosophy is based in the run game. Regardless of oc/qb coach/system his whole mentality is defense and ball control.

Also, Bowles likes to stick to his system and gameplan, with few adjustments.

If Toub is forward thinking, and likes to gameplan week to week based on opponents and wants to run an offense that enables the QB to develop and succeed, and hires the right offensive coaches, I’m all for signing Toub.

I think this is where watching Andy Reid so closely helps ten fold. He’s in the classroom with him everyday as well as on the field right by his side every Sunday. 

He’s seeing his boy, Andy, make half time adjustments, draw up schemes, use players from the bottom of the roster and create mismatches. He’s seeing what it takes to groom a young and very raw QB in Pat Mahomes and he’s seeing how it’s suppose to be done and who is qualified as a coach to get the QB on track. So he should already come in with a sense of how those things work and be ahead of the game in that regard.

Being a top ST guy, naturally, he’s sometimes having to use bottom of the barrel players, himself and make them produce on kickoffs/punts so he already has an idea of making substitutions and getting the most out of his players.

It’ll come down to who he hires and since he comes from a place that has done it 120% correctly, produced insanely impressive/creative offensive minds turned head coaches like Nagy and Pederson...my guess is he might bring over some good KC assistants that he feels can replicate. 

The best part is that he isn’t some 32 year old hot shot but he also isn’t a dinosaur. he has a great amount of stripes in this league, he’s long prepared for a HC job and I think he’s definitely qualified now that he’s been an Assistant HC. Something tells me he’s paid attention to all the offensive guys that have been employed by Andy. Probably learned some things.

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34 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I think this is where watching Andy Reid so closely helps ten fold. He’s in the classroom with him everyday as well as on the field right by his side every Sunday. 

He’s seeing his boy, Andy, make half time adjustments, draw up schemes, use players from the bottom of the roster and create mismatches. He’s seeing what it takes to groom a young and very raw QB in Pat Mahomes and he’s seeing how it’s suppose to be done and who is qualified as a coach to get the QB on track. So he should already come in with a sense of how those things work and be ahead of the game in that regard.

Being a top ST guy, naturally, he’s sometimes having to use bottom of the barrel players, himself and make them produce on kickoffs/punts so he already has an idea of making substitutions and getting the most out of his players.

It’ll come down to who he hires and since he comes from a place that has done it 120% correctly, produced insanely impressive/creative offensive minds turned head coaches like Nagy and Pederson...my guess is he might bring over some good KC assistants that he feels can replicate. 

The best part is that he isn’t some 32 year old hot shot but he also isn’t a dinosaur. he has a great amount of stripes in this league, he’s long prepared for a HC job and I think he’s definitely qualified now that he’s been an Assistant HC. Something tells me he’s paid attention to all the offensive guys that have been employed by Andy. Probably learned some things.

I hope he’s a serious consideration. I’d like Harbaugh as he’s a more proven commodity and has done a lot with minimal talent (no super teams or elite qb on his roster ever).

I would love Toub, or Harbaugh depending who they want grooming Darnold. 

Everyone assumes Harbaugh wants some bland offense. But he hired Trestman which wasn’t a good hire obviously in hindsight lol. But at the time it was lauded around the league, and at least showed Harbaugh is open to aggressive schemes and different thinking.

But as you said Toub has had inside look at the Chiefs offense, and teaching Mahomes this year. I’d be hard pressed not to hire him.  

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13 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

I hope he’s a serious consideration. I’d like Harbaugh as he’s a more proven commodity and has done a lot with minimal talent (no super teams or elite qb on his roster ever).

I would love Toub, or Harbaugh depending who they want grooming Darnold. 

Everyone assumes Harbaugh wants some bland offense. But he hired Trestman which wasn’t a good hire obviously in hindsight lol. But at the time it was lauded around the league, and at least showed Harbaugh is open to aggressive schemes and different thinking.

But as you said Toub has had inside look at the Chiefs offense, and teaching Mahomes this year. I’d be hard pressed not to hire him.  

Woody can’t make money off a name like Toub though and that’s why they won’t even call. He doesn’t care about being successful.

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I’m jaded by these searches every couple of years. This guy sounds like he has potential but I feel I read these exact articles every three-four years about potential coaches. With that said, if this guy can find a good OC and DC, I think he can succeed. I think. 

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4 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

And writers, coaches, executives, and talking heads all said great stuff about Todd Bowles before he became a HC.  Ya never know.

I understand but there are absolutely a huge difference in both coaches. Bowles was a first year hot shot DC — just like the article speaks weary about. 

Toub is a guy who has been in the league and grinding out successful seasons for 18 years. He’s way more balanced, naturally, because of his position and his current Assistant HC gig only reinforces that fact. He’s a guy who has been able to marinate under Andy and he’s well prepared for this opportunity.

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Just now, Untouchable said:

Just too risky

Whoever the hell we bring in HAS to be able to assemble a top tier offensive coaching staff.

He’s got the same probability of doing so than anyone else if you ask me.

Maybe more.

He’s seen this done properly.

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Just now, Patriot Killa said:

He’s got the same probability of doing so than anyone else if you ask me.

Maybe more.

He’s seen this done properly.

Bowles saw it done properly in Philly and Arizona, it sure as hell didn’t help him.

Toub seems like a good guy and is highly respected around the league, but the Jets absolutely have to get this hire right.

This is why for the first time I’m all about going the retread route. Get someone with past HC experience and preferably an offensive background.

If Macc is retained and Kubiak is serious about getting back into coaching, he’s a name that everyone should keep an eye on. And I wouldn’t be against it at all.

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2 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Bowles saw it done properly in Philly and Arizona, it sure as hell didn’t help him.

Toub seems like a good guy and is highly respected around the league, but the Jets absolutely have to get this hire right.

This is why for the first time I’m all about going the retread route. Get someone with past HC experience and preferably an offensive background.

If Macc is retained and Kubiak is serious about getting back into coaching, he’s a name that everyone should keep an eye on. And I wouldn’t be against it at all.

But did Bowles sit under Arians as an assiant coach? Sit in the classroom? Study Ariana every move on Sunday? Did he already come in with a balanced mindset?

Hey, I don’t disagree that we have to get this one right. For the sake of Darnold. I totally understand why you want to go retread. 

I think you make a good point. However, I don’t think Toub is as risky as you do.

thats fine though. Agree to disagree. 

Think we both know that it has to be the right hire though.

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2 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Bowles is a terrible HC, but you understate his pre-jet resume. Before the Jets hired him Bowles had coached in the NFL for 15 years. Plus, he was an assistant HC in Miami back in 2008, and had been their interim HC. He moved up to DC in Philly after they disastrously hired and O lineman (I think?) as their DC, and then he was DC for the Cardinals for two years, and during both years the D was excellent. He also came with the Bill Parcells stamp of approval. Bottom line Bowles was an excellent candidate for a HC job. He's just not any good at it. And the fact is that you never know with any of these guys becasue being HC is far different than any other coaching position. Nothing trains you for it. And the only way to find out if someone is any good at it is to give them the job. 

I don’t think anyone — even retreads — are sure things. They were fired for a reason.

there is risk in every HC hire. John Harbaugh, the guy that many people want, he’s a ST guy for years too. 

just saying that this can go either way and so can retreads.

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