Who was the worst GM the Jets have had since Parcells?

[jago]

in a bizzaro world , idziks 14 draft whiff was oj’s record breaking 2000 yard season but mac compiled the career stats like curtis martin. who was the better rb?

[Philc1]

22 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Remember the season where he left Rex without a corner?

That’s Rex’s fault Woody and Idzik refused to sign a corner with $30 million in cap room

[Jetsfan80]

On 7/10/2020 at 3:03 PM, Paradis said:

Idzik got us out of that and did it rather well, to the tune of 12 picks. He was quite savvy actually on that side of the business. Had the fool only had the wherewithal to hire an Eliot Wolfe type Director of Personnel, he'd probably still have a job.

On that note, it's important to point out that Idzik has been with the Jaguars' front office since 2015.  He was hired by Jacksonville less than 2 months after we fired him.  He worked his way up from "Salary Cap Consultant" to "Special Assistant to the GM".  

Mike Maccagnan is still unemployed.  It's been 14 months since he was fired.

[Beerfish]

6 hours ago, Philc1 said:

That’s Rex’s fault Woody and Idzik refused to sign a corner with $30 million in cap room

Well also the CBs rex had were  better than the sheer and utter schlock gregg williams had to work with last year.

Idzik dumped an expensive CB who was past his best and drafted a replacement.  Yeah like his other picks milliner was a fail but he used. in two drafts,  a 9th overall a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder on CB's a premium position)

Mac in 5 drafts used like a 4th rounder (legendary justin burris) and a bunch of 6th rounders.

As horrifying as idziks 2 drafts were he drafted as well as mac in his 5 drafts and actually had a plan.  So i agree with  you not jetnut.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Well also the CBs rex had were  better than the sheer and utter schlock gregg williams had to work with last year.

Idzik dumped an expensive CB who was past his best and drafted a replacement.  Yeah like his other picks milliner was a fail but he used. in two drafts,  a 9th overall a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder on CB's a premium position)

Mac in 5 drafts used like a 4th rounder (legendary justin burris) and a bunch of 6th rounders.

As horrifying as idziks 2 drafts were he drafted as well as mac in his 5 drafts and actually had a plan.  So i agree with  you not jetnut.

 

Yup.  Trading Revis for pick # 13 and getting Sheldon Richardson out of that pick was better than anything Macc did in his 5-year tenure.

The Eric Decker signing was also a solid win.  We never could have known he'd end up having injury issues.  He didn't miss a game for the 3 seasons prior to his arrival in New York.  Solid player, solid contract, and he ended up catching 154 passes over his first 2 seasons here.

Despite his many failures, Idzik >>>> Macc, and its not debatable.

[Paradis]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

On that note, it's important to point out that Idzik has been with the Jaguars' front office since 2015.  He was hired by Jacksonville less than 2 months after we fired him.  He worked his way up from "Salary Cap Consultant" to "Special Assistant to the GM".  

Mike Maccagnan is still unemployed.  It's been 14 months since he was fired.

And that’s probably the role he should have always had. If he’d plan to be GM he should have got himself one of the hot personnel director types and married that person into his regime.  How these guys don’t see this or seek it out is puzzling.  If I was given GM powers I would be seeking an Idzik ASAP to manage contracts and money with me. 

[predator_05]

Without Idzik, there's no Mac. The 'personnel' guy had to follow up the 'cap' guy. Let's rewind to the beginning of this decline:

 

2014 was the best draft class of the decade. Around 30 pro bowlers emerged from that class. Over 100+ players lasted a couple seasons.

The Jets enter that draft with a war-chest of picks; flexibility to trade up/down as desired, with the opportunity (and compulsion) to build a reliable roster for the long-term. Surrounded by verifiable talent at every corner.

To go into that loaded draft class - and miss on each and every pick - is unforgivable.

They weren't just misses, they were colossal failures. Failure to prepare. Failure to evaluate and analyze. Failure to strategize. The most memorable display of sheer incompetence, and that's saying something, when you consider the organization's litany of draft failures.

The only 2014 picks that we find on our current roster, are...surprise, surprise...CJ Mosley and Avery williamson. Who were signed on big money deals.

 

This is what set the stage for a wasted decade. A mediocre roster won 8 games in 2013. Up until 2014, things got rocky, but not completely out of hand. After 2014, the organization was permanently screwed for the foreseeable future...with no vision or positive change incoming. The team had a nice, unexpected run in 2015 on the back of quality FA talent...but the organization was dead on the inside.

[section314]

7 minutes ago, predator_05 said:

Without Idzik, there's no Mac. The 'personnel' guy had to follow up the 'cap' guy. Let's rewind to the beginning of this decline:

 

2014 was the best draft class of the decade. Around 30 pro bowlers emerged from that class. Over 100+ players lasted a couple seasons.

The Jets enter that draft with a war-chest of picks; flexibility to trade up/down as desired, with the opportunity (and compulsion) to build a reliable roster for the long-term. Surrounded by verifiable talent at every corner.

To go into that loaded draft class - and miss on each and every pick - is unforgivable.

They weren't just misses, they were colossal failures. Failure to prepare. Failure to evaluate and analyze. Failure to strategize. The most memorable display of sheer incompetence, and that's saying something, when you consider the organization's litany of draft failures.

The only 2014 picks that we find on our current roster, are...surprise, surprise...CJ Mosley and Avery williamson. Who were signed on big money deals.

 

This is what set the stage for a wasted decade. A mediocre roster won 8 games in 2013. Up until 2014, things got rocky, but not completely out of hand. After 2014, the organization was permanently screwed for the foreseeable future...with no vision or positive change incoming. The team had a nice, unexpected run in 2015 on the back of quality FA talent...but the organization was dead on the inside.

Great post. Couldn't have told this sordid tale any better.

[Bugg]

13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

On that note, it's important to point out that Idzik has been with the Jaguars' front office since 2015.  He was hired by Jacksonville less than 2 months after we fired him.  He worked his way up from "Salary Cap Consultant" to "Special Assistant to the GM".  

Mike Maccagnan is still unemployed.  It's been 14 months since he was fired.

Managing a Dunkin Donuts on I95 doesn't count? 

[Jetsfan80]

6 hours ago, predator_05 said:

This is what set the stage for a wasted decade. A mediocre roster won 8 games in 2013. Up until 2014, things got rocky, but not completely out of hand. After 2014, the organization was permanently screwed for the foreseeable future...with no vision or positive change incoming. The team had a nice, unexpected run in 2015 on the back of quality FA talent...but the organization was dead on the inside.

So its Idzik's fault that Macc was the worst GM of all-time? 

OK then.  This reads like the people who blame Adam Gase for Jamal Adams acting like a douche.

Again, if Idzik is Satan, why did he get hired to the Jaguars' front office less than 2 months later, and steadily work his way up since that time?  Meanwhile, why is Mike Maccagnan still unemployed 14 months after getting canned?

[Jetsfan80]

14 hours ago, Paradis said:

And that’s probably the role he should have always had. If he’d plan to be GM he should have got himself one of the hot personnel director types and married that person into his regime.  How these guys don’t see this or seek it out is puzzling.  If I was given GM powers I would be seeking an Idzik ASAP to manage contracts and money with me. 

Yep.  Idzik got Peter Principle'd.  It happens.  He still has value as a front office guy, which is much more than can be said for Maccagnan.

Macc isn't even qualified to be an area scout.  He was about to get fired by the Texans before the Johnson's extended him a lifeline.

[Barry McCockinner]

To answer this question, I'll refer to another current thread.

2017

Original picks: S Jamal Adams (1st), S Marcus Maye (2nd), WR ArDarius Stewart (3rd), WR Chad Hansen (4th)

Redraft: QB Patrick Mahomes (1st), RB Dalvin Cook (2nd), WR Chris Godwin (3rd), TE George Kittle (4th)

??

[Viermoo]

MAC was really bad but was able to make some good trades. Idzik on the other hand was downright abysmal. He was slow to sign free agents and the Idzik 12, which was supposed to change the Jets future for the positive, was the worst draft in our history. He never packaged any of the 12 to move up and we got stuck with a bunch of scrubs. 

[Wonderboy]

On 7/9/2020 at 5:44 PM, T0mShane said:

(You think Idzik was worse because Mehta hated him and filled the dialogue with anti-Idzik pablum for two years, and he liked Maccagnan so you don’t hate Maccagnan as much.)

I hate Idzik because he drafted Geno Smith. I hate Macc because he kept Geno Smith. Neither could get milk out of a cow.  2 of the worst GM’s in history of NFL. No small wonder why this team has been a laughing stock for the last 10 years.

[GreekJet]

8 hours ago, predator_05 said:

Without Idzik, there's no Mac. The 'personnel' guy had to follow up the 'cap' guy. Let's rewind to the beginning of this decline:

 

2014 was the best draft class of the decade. Around 30 pro bowlers emerged from that class. Over 100+ players lasted a couple seasons.

The Jets enter that draft with a war-chest of picks; flexibility to trade up/down as desired, with the opportunity (and compulsion) to build a reliable roster for the long-term. Surrounded by verifiable talent at every corner.

To go into that loaded draft class - and miss on each and every pick - is unforgivable.

They weren't just misses, they were colossal failures. Failure to prepare. Failure to evaluate and analyze. Failure to strategize. The most memorable display of sheer incompetence, and that's saying something, when you consider the organization's litany of draft failures.

The only 2014 picks that we find on our current roster, are...surprise, surprise...CJ Mosley and Avery williamson. Who were signed on big money deals.

 

This is what set the stage for a wasted decade. A mediocre roster won 8 games in 2013. Up until 2014, things got rocky, but not completely out of hand. After 2014, the organization was permanently screwed for the foreseeable future...with no vision or positive change incoming. The team had a nice, unexpected run in 2015 on the back of quality FA talent...but the organization was dead on the inside.

I think the folks that vote McCagnan forget just how bad Idziks two drafts were. 
 

He had 7 picks in the first three rounds including three first round picks (two top 15) and came up with Sheldon Richardson and Brian Winters. 

He had 12 picks in rounds 4-7 and came up with Quincy Enunwa. 
 

Mac for the most part produced functional starters with his first round picks (exception being Darron Lee) and got a few players later in the draft that have contributed (Jordan Jenkins, Nathan Shepard, Foley Fautukasi, Chris Herndon, Marcus Maye. He also found Robby Anderson as a UDFA which is more than Idzik did with his 12 draft picks round 4-7. 

Free Agency wise Mac handed out some awful contracts, but that’s what free agency is. It’s not like he inherited a roster filled with young talent that he could pay (he tried to do it with Mo Wilkerson).

Tannenbaum left the Jets roster in terrible shape (cap wise and talent wise) and while Idzik did a great job with the cap literally took every asset the Jets had his two years and lit it on fire. McCagnan tried to supplement the roster with veteran free agents while also building through the draft. Unfortunately he didn’t draft well enough for the plan to work. 
 

Douglas is operating in a very similar fashion to early McCagnan minus the big ticket Revis and Marshall acquisition. The Jets roster is comprised of plenty of guys who are on 1 year/short term deals while the roster continues to get supplemented through the draft. Just like McCagnan this plan will only work if his draft picks hit. 
 

Long story short, McCagnan was a bad drafter. Idzik was the worst drafter of all time. 

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, GreekJet said:

I think the folks that vote McCagnan forget just how bad Idziks two drafts were. 
 

He had 7 picks in the first three rounds including three first round picks (two top 15) and came up with Sheldon Richardson and Brian Winters. 

He had 12 picks in rounds 4-7 and came up with Quincy Enunwa. 
 

Mac for the most part produced functional starters with his first round picks (exception being Darron Lee) and got a few players later in the draft that have contributed (Jordan Jenkins, Nathan Shepard, Foley Fautukasi, Chris Herndon, Marcus Maye. He also found Robby Anderson as a UDFA which is more than Idzik did with his 12 draft picks round 4-7. 

Free Agency wise Mac handed out some awful contracts, but that’s what free agency is. It’s not like he inherited a roster filled with young talent that he could pay (he tried to do it with Mo Wilkerson).

Tannenbaum left the Jets roster in terrible shape (cap wise and talent wise) and while Idzik did a great job with the cap literally took every asset the Jets had his two years and lit it on fire. McCagnan tried to supplement the roster with veteran free agents while also building through the draft. Unfortunately he didn’t draft well enough for the plan to work. 
 

Douglas is operating in a very similar fashion to early McCagnan minus the big ticket Revis and Marshall acquisition. The Jets roster is comprised of plenty of guys who are on 1 year/short term deals while the roster continues to get supplemented through the draft. Just like McCagnan this plan will only work if his draft picks hit. 
 

Long story short, McCagnan was a bad drafter. Idzik was the worst drafter of all time. 

Give idzik a full three more years and he might be able to get a few more starters.

Idzik drafted CBS, Wrs, 4 olinman in 2 years to macs 3 in 5 years.  His 2nd round QB while crappy was 100 times better than macs.

McCagnan after drafting Leo and seeing the issues with leo, mo wilk and shelrich STILL went ahead and draft quinne when we had no need there.

Mac had 5 full drafts and never drafted an Edge rusher, olineman, CB, WR, RB, worth spit.  Also mac had two 3rd overalls, and two 6th overalls.

Idzik was bad because he could not draft in two years.

Mac was bad because he had zero concept of how to build a team AND he could not draft at all.

 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, GreekJet said:

Long story short, McCagnan was a bad drafter. Idzik was the worst drafter of all time. 

The 2013 Idzik draft was far better than any of Macc's 5 drafts.

[GreekJet]

47 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Give idzik a full three more years and he might be able to get a few more starters.

Idzik drafted CBS, Wrs, 4 olinman in 2 years to macs 3 in 5 years.  His 2nd round QB while crappy was 100 times better than macs.

McCagnan after drafting Leo and seeing the issues with leo, mo wilk and shelrich STILL went ahead and draft quinne when we had no need there.

Mac had 5 full drafts and never drafted an Edge rusher, olineman, CB, WR, RB, worth spit.  Also mac had two 3rd overalls, and two 6th overalls.

Idzik was bad because he could not draft in two years.

Mac was bad because he had zero concept of how to build a team AND he could not draft at all.

 

Idzik had a ton of picks his two years here and the value positions he drafted were mostly in rounds 3-7. 

You want to give him credit for selecting Dee Milliner and Geno Smith?

His other first and second rounders were at DT, SS, and TE. 
 

I don’t also don’t want to hear that 2013 was a good draft. The man had two top 13 picks and another pick in the top 40. We want to throw him a bouquet for finding one DT? Especially since you are criticizing McCagnan for drafting DTs. 
 

 

[Philc1]

On 7/11/2020 at 6:55 PM, Beerfish said:

Well also the CBs rex had were  better than the sheer and utter schlock gregg williams had to work with last year.

Idzik dumped an expensive CB who was past his best and drafted a replacement.  Yeah like his other picks milliner was a fail but he used. in two drafts,  a 9th overall a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder on CB's a premium position)

Mac in 5 drafts used like a 4th rounder (legendary justin burris) and a bunch of 6th rounders.

As horrifying as idziks 2 drafts were he drafted as well as mac in his 5 drafts and actually had a plan.  So i agree with  you not jetnut.

You seriously are trying to argue that d’mitri Patterson who went AWOL and Dee “Broken Bust” Milliner were better than Roberts, Austin and Pool?

[Philc1]

 

14 hours ago, Bugg said:

Managing a Dunkin Donuts on I95 doesn't count? 

Mac’s true calling

[Jetsfan80]

17 hours ago, GreekJet said:

Idzik had a ton of picks his two years here and the value positions he drafted were mostly in rounds 3-7. 

You want to give him credit for selecting Dee Milliner and Geno Smith?

His other first and second rounders were at DT, SS, and TE. 
 

I don’t also don’t want to hear that 2013 was a good draft. The man had two top 13 picks and another pick in the top 40. We want to throw him a bouquet for finding one DT? Especially since you are criticizing McCagnan for drafting DTs. 
 

 

Sheldon Richardson at 13 was far better than any pick Mike Maccagnan made in 5 drafts.

Geno Smith was a worthwhile shot to take in the 2nd round, no matter what he became later.  He was a 3-year starter in college and had just put up an outstanding Senior season (42 TD/6 INT, 71.9 completion %).  Compare that resume to Hackenberg's and they were in 2 completely different universes in terms of QB prospects.  Geno at least checked a few boxes you look for out of a QB prospect.  Hackenberg checked zero boxes.

He also drafted 2 useful OL in Winters and Aboushi in 2013.  Aboushi is still bouncing around the league as a capable backup.  

Macc didn't draft one useful OL in 5 years.

The 2013 draft was easily the best Jets draft from the 2008-2018 period.  Doesn't say much, but its true.  Look back at the drafts from that range and make a case for any other class.  

[kelly]

" Who was the worst GM the Jets have had since Parcells ? "..

idzik    

[Jetsfan80]

21 hours ago, Viermoo said:

MAC was really bad but was able to make some good trades.

Which ones?  Like the deals for Kelechi Osemele, Rashard Robinson, Ryan Clady and Zac Stacy?

Macc lit draft capital on fire here.  

[kthisguy]

Mac without a doubt is the worst GM of any team.

Just think about this, Mac trades up for what is believed to be 1 of the three best QBs in the draft. Lucks into getting his choice of the one his first two choices.

The third round approaches and he selects a tackle! But it is a DT and not OT (Orlando Brown Jr) to protect your new FQB. He should have been fired on the spot. Brown or another OT was worth a shot even if he busted, it was the choice any competent GM would take. Not even Idzik would have taken an older small school project over Brown or another OT when you had ZERO long term offensive lineman on your roster.


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[Philc1]

6 hours ago, kthisguy said:

Mac without a doubt is the worst GM of any team.

Just think about this, Mac trades up for what is believed to be 1 of the three best QBs in the draft. Lucks into getting his choice of the one his first two choices.

The third round approaches and he selects a tackle! But it is a DT and not OT (Orlando Brown Jr) to protect your new FQB. He should have been fired on the spot. Brown or another OT was worth a shot even if he busted, it was the choice any competent GM would take. Not even Idzik would have taken an older small school project over Brown or another OT when you had ZERO long term offensive lineman on your roster.


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Crazy thing is Shepherd is now looking like one of Mac’s few non whiffs