Who was the worst GM the Jets have had since Parcells?

[GreekJet]

Highlights 

Bradway: 

Traded first round pick for Doug Jolley and drafted Mike Nugent in Round 2

Traded two first round picks for DeWayne Robertson 

Traded Santana Moss (also drafted him)

Passed of Ed Reed for Bryan Thomas 

Tannenbaum:

Drafted Vernon Gholston, Mark Sanchez, Kyle Wilson, Quinton Coples 

Handed Santonio Holmes a big contract 

Traded for Tim Tebow and handed Mark Sanchez an extension to make him feel better 

Idzik

Oversaw two horrible drafts (Dee Milliner, Geno Smith, Calvin Pryor, Idzik 12)

Signed Dmitri Patterson (guy who went AWOL in training camp) and Mike Goodson (criminal).

Traded for Percy Harvin when team was 1-7 

McCagnan

2015 draft, Darron Lee, Christian Hackenberg, passed of DeShaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes, Jachai Polite. 
 

Signed Darrelle Revis to big money deal

Re-Signed Mo Wilkerson and signed Trumaine Johnson

Re-Signed Quincy Enunwa to a contract the Jets can’t get out of 

CJ Mosley and LeVeon Bell albatross contract 

Could not replace DBrickashaw or Mangold on oline. 

 

[Jet Nut]

I just think of Idzik as not only totally incompetent but an ugly assed, goof ball.

At least Macc brought in a QB prospect, a real one.  

ALSO never will forgive Idzik for not coming away with WRs, any to talk about in a historical draft for WRs

Last guy here will get most of the votes though

[Anthony Jet]

Mike McCagnan

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[jetstream23]

The nicknames are great.  They sound like WWE wrestlers now.

 

John "The Glacier" Idzik!!!

[Jetpain]

Easy to pick any of those guys. BUT  Maybe we should focus on who was the decision maker behind hiring each of those GM's and putting them in jobs they were completely unqualified for .    

[DoubleDown]

MacCagnan

Draft picks and free agent signings were almost entirely complete disasters.  His strategies and actions were all over the map with seemingly no cohesive plan in place.  The only thing he got right in 4 years was trading up in the first round in 2018 and drafting Sam Darnold.

Idzik turned out to be bad, but at least you can say that he had a sound strategy.  His failures were mostly in the execution of drafts.  Ridding the team of overpriced bloated contracts, signing good value players like Eric Decker, and trading a declining (and injured) Revis for a first round pick were all good moves for a team starting a new rebuild.

[UntouchableCrew]

Bradway and Tannenbaum had some measure of success, can't be either of them.

The question is basically Idzik vs Maccagnan.

Idzik had a smart overall strategy (acquire picks, build through the draft, be smart in FA) the problem is he was just an atrocious drafter. Between all of those draft picks he hit on Sheldon Richardson and pretty much not a single other player. The law of averages suggests he'd hit on a few at random... But he only had two years.

Maccagnan was also a dreadful drafter, but he seemingly had no plan. No philosophy, didn't understand positional value, handed out huge contracts to bad players. Really just did a terrible job in almost every context. Unlike Idzik he was actually here 4+ years and the talent roster was arguably worse after he left.

I think I've previously said Idzik just out of sheer terribleness of those drafts but I think it's actually Big Mac. The sample size and lack of any coherent vision for building a team take the cake.

[TuscanyTile2]

58 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

Highlights 

Bradway: 

Traded first round pick for Doug Jolley and drafted Mike Nugent in Round 2

I don't think this is accurate.  IIRC, he traded down like 8 spots for Jolley.  Still a dumb trade but I don't think he just gave away a 1st rounder like that.

[jetscrazey]

They all stunk at drafting.  But at least Macc was trying to win.  Idzik spent his whole time here trying to lose so he could sabotage Rex.

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, GreekJet said:

Highlights 

Bradway: 

Traded first round pick for Doug Jolley and drafted Mike Nugent in Round 2

Traded two first round picks for DeWayne Robertson 

Traded Santana Moss (also drafted him)

Passed of Ed Reed for Bryan Thomas 

Tannenbaum:

Drafted Vernon Gholston, Mark Sanchez, Kyle Wilson, Quinton Coples 

Handed Santonio Holmes a big contract 

Traded for Tim Tebow and handed Mark Sanchez an extension to make him feel better 

Idzik

Oversaw two horrible drafts (Dee Milliner, Geno Smith, Calvin Pryor, Idzik 12)

Signed Dmitri Patterson (guy who went AWOL in training camp) and Mike Goodson (criminal).

Traded for Percy Harvin when team was 1-7 

McCagnan

2015 draft, Darron Lee, Christian Hackenberg, passed of DeShaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes, Jachai Polite. 
 

Signed Darrelle Revis to big money deal

Re-Signed Mo Wilkerson and signed Trumaine Johnson

Re-Signed Quincy Enunwa to a contract the Jets can’t get out of 

CJ Mosley and LeVeon Bell albatross contract 

Could not replace DBrickashaw or Mangold on oline. 

 

Bradway moved down 20 spots, got a vet starting TE and still drafted the 2 players they were targeting in 2005.

The Robertson trade was 2 1st rounders in exchange for a 1st rounder that was much higher than either they had.

 

The answer is easily Idzik, he destroyed the franchise.  His drafts v were the worst outside of bill Parcells 1997-1999.

[Arsis]

I'm always going to defend guys with a 5 year plan that gets fired in year two. Woody and Jets fans don't want to suck for 3 years of a complete rebuild. They'd rather win 6-7 wins ten years in a row if it meant going 8-8 once.
So imo it can't be idzik he was blowing up the sh*tty overpriced roster on purpose.

 

[ZachEY]

3 minutes ago, Arsis said:

I'm always going to defend guys with a 5 year plan that gets fired in year two. Woody and Jets fans don't want to suck for 3 years of a complete rebuild. They'd rather win 6-7 wins ten years in a row if it meant going 8-8 once.
So imo it can't be idzik he was blowing up the sh*tty overpriced roster on purpose.

 

No part of the plan was drafting that bad though.

Still, Mac probably laps Idzik twice in the race to the bottom.

[fullblast]

I didn't think anyone could out-do Idzik but Mac got it done. Horrible GM.

[nico002]

Idzik 

Mac won excecutive of the year for a reason... and pulled off the greatest trade in franchise history 

[Jetsfan80]

Macc and its not close.

Idzik voters continue to puzzle me.  Idzik sucked.  No argument there.  But Macc is the worst GM in NFL history.

[Jetsfan80]

We all know Macc's awful draft record.  But his free agent signings were even worse.

Note that I do like some players on this list.  But none of them were worth the money they received.  Not even close.

• Mosley (5 yrs, $85M w/$43M in guarantees)
• Bell (4 yrs, $52.5M w/$19M in guarantees)
• Trumaine Johnson:  5 yrs, $72.5M w/$34M in guarantees
• Revis:  5 yrs, $70.1M w/$39M in guarantees
• Enunwa:  4 yrs, $36M w/$20.5M in guarantees
• Spencer Long:  4 yrs, $27.4M w/$6M in guarantees
• Wilkerson:  5 yrs, $86M w/$37M in guarantees
• Skrine:  4 yrs, $25M w/$13M in guarantees
• Harris:  3 yrs, $21.5M w/$15M in guarantees
• Cromartie:  4 yrs, $32M w/$7M in guarantees
• Kearse:  3 yrs, $13.5M w/$6.3M in guarantees
• Fitzpatrick:  1 yr, $12M fully guaranteed
• McCown (2x):  1 yr, $6M fully guaranteed; 1 yr, $10M w/$5M in guarantees
• Forte:  2 yrs, $$9M w/$6M in guarantees
• Marshall:  3 yrs, $26M w/$9M in guarantees
• Crowell:  3 yrs, $12M w/$4M in guarantees
• Gilchrist:  4 yrs, $22M w/$3.5M in guarantees
• Winters:  4 yrs, $29M w/$15M in guarantees

[Jetsfan80]

The Macc team of failure, made up entirely of Macc acquisitions:

• QB:  Christian Hackenberg
• QB:  Bryce Petty
• RB:  Matt Forte
• RB:  Stevan Ridley
• RB:  Zac Stacy
• WR:  ArDarius Stewart
• WR:  Chad Hansen
• WR:  Devin Smith
• WR:  Terrelle Pryor
• WR:  Rishard Matthews
• TE:  Jordan Leggett
• TE:  Kellen Davis
• OT:  Ryan Clady
• OT:  Brandon Shell
• G:  Kelechi Osemele
• G:  Jarvis Harrison
• C :  Spencer Long
• DE:  Dylan Donahue
• DE:  Mike Pennel
• NT:  Deon Simon
• OLB:  Jachai Polite
• OLB:  Lorenzo Mauldin
• ILB:  Darron Lee
• ILB:  Erin Henderson
• CB:  Trumaine Johnson
• CB:  Antonio Cromartie
• CB:  Buster Skrine
• CB:  Juston Burris
• CB:  Jeremy Clark
• S:  Marcus Gilchrist
• S:  Marcus Maye
• K:  Randy Bullock
• P:  Steve Weatherford (signed back to Jets in 2015)

[bitonti]

Idzik was somehow worse than Mac and i agree with all the Mac voters too... there's really no wrong answer

a monkey throwing his own feces at a street and smith's magazine could have drafted better than Idzik 

[CTJetsFan]

51 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I don't think this is accurate.  IIRC, he traded down like 8 spots for Jolley.  Still a dumb trade but I don't think he just gave away a 1st rounder like that.

Correct.

I believe the Dewayne Robertson situation is inaccurate too. They used 2 picks to move up but in essence gave up 1 1st rounder. Still a bad deal

[Jetlife33]

There was a quote I saw recently that Mac said towards the end of his tenure, and I’m paraphrasing: not sure what’s going to happen but if this is it, I’ll always be remembered as the guy who brought Sam darnold to this franchise. And for that reason alone I can’t vote for Mac. 

[Jetsfan80]

9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Idzik was somehow worse than Mac and i agree with all the Mac voters too... there's really no wrong answer

a monkey throwing his own feces at a street and smith's magazine could have drafted better than Idzik 

The 2013 draft really wasn't bad at all.  Easily the best Jets draft of the 2008-2018 range. 

Sheldon Richardson was a force until he committed 4 crimes in one day.  Geno Smith was the proper shot to take at QB given his college resume and where we took him.  As opposed to Macc taking 5th/6th round prospect Hackenberg in Round 2. 

And he drafted 2 useful OL (Winters and Aboushi, who is still in the league as a capable backup), which was more than Macc accomplished in his entire tenure.

[SackExchangeNYJ]

Idzik, and I'm surprised it's even close.

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, Jetlife33 said:

There was a quote I saw recently that Mac said towards the end of his tenure, and I’m paraphrasing: not sure what’s going to happen but if this is it, I’ll always be remembered as the guy who brought Sam darnold to this franchise. And for that reason alone I can’t vote for Mac. 

But he didn't.  Heimerdinger engineered the trade and it required sheer luck (NYG passing on Darnold to take a RB) for it to happen.  And his Plan A before all that happened was to offer Kirk Cousins more money than any team in the league.

Macc had nothing to do with bringing Darnold here.  He signed off on a trade up to # 3 in what was, at the time, a 2-QB draft.  He was all set to take either Mayfield or Rosen there, with Darnold assumed to be going # 1.  Just imagine if Rosen had ended up the pick.

Not to mention, no one should be sold on Darnold just yet anyways.  He needs to put up a Top-20 QB season before we can even remotely trust that he's the franchise guy.

The proper move was to draft a QB in 2017, not a friggin Safety.  So even if Macc "got it right", it was still wrong, and the means toward that end required happening in SPITE of Macc's many failures.

[JetsFanatic]

Idzik was the worst; MacCagnan was the most disappointing.

[Jet_Engine1]

My choice:

[Icer]

Idzik and Mac were both awful, but Mac stuck around way longer so he gets my vote.

[Revis]

Maccagnan started this devastating timeline:

-Selected Hackenberg round 2, anyone with a clue who watched him play in college knew how tragic in the moment it was.

-Passed on Deshaun Watson & Patrick Mahomes with Hackenberg & Petty in his QB room.

-Selected Jamal Adams

-Overall selected 1 OL in the first 3 rounds of his tenure: Chuma Edoga

 

 

A special shout out to Ron Wolf and Charley Casserly for this gem.

[Arsis]

50 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

No part of the plan was drafting that bad though.

Still, Mac probably laps Idzik twice in the race to the bottom.

Execution aside. Since they all executed poorly. The man still had a 5 year plan and sucking for 2-3 years was part of it. That's usually part of any successful rebuild.

[Jetsfan80]

50 minutes ago, SackExchangeNYJ said:

Idzik, and I'm surprised it's even close.

It's close because that's not the correct answer.  

[T0mShane]

All of the following are trifling hillbillies:

 

[Rhg1084]

Mac got us Sam at least. Idzik didn’t get us anyone 

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

Mac got us Sam at least. Idzik didn’t get us anyone 

Done, over with.

[Beerfish]

This vote should not be close at all, McCagnan was much worse than Idzik, much much much worse.

[T0mShane]

(You think Idzik was worse because Mehta hated him and filled the dialogue with anti-Idzik pablum for two years, and he liked Maccagnan so you don’t hate Maccagnan as much.)

[GATA]

lols tied