Augustiniak Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, JiF said: Awesome stuff, a lot of this has been posted and discussed but I personally appreciate not just coming in here and regurgitating the national media has to say but actually looking at it yourself and making an assessment. I've given my take on a lot of these and I've said it before, I walked away feeling much more impressed by Fields then Lawrence when they went head to head last year, so I appreciate your breakdown. Fields shows you everything on tape. There isnt a particular aspect he lacks or is a huge concern. I hear the "holds the ball too long" comments a lot, he really doesnt. Some of that is system; for a example they run a ton of 4 verts. Those plays require the QB to hold the ball longer but what is sexy is you'll see him go through 4 progressions on those plays, hold a safety with this eyes and throw the best deep ball in the game. He's an all world athlete, with an Ivy League brain all wrapped up into an elite QB prospect but we can nit pick a game vs. a top 10 D with 22 players out, including starters on the OL and his #1 WR or we can look deeper. I prefer the deeper look. Maybe I’m in the minority but i don’t see that with fields. Most throws he’s under no rush and locks onto one wr until the guy inevitably gets open. He’s got a strong arm but there seems to be somewhat of a hitch in his motion. Not sure how much pure touch he can put on his throws either, i just haven’t watched enough, whereas you watch Zach Wilson for a few minutes and you see the different arm angles and velocities needed to make different and difficult kinds of nfl throws. Though against worse competition, Wilson also has worse teammates and you see him moving around and doing lots of stuff himself when plays break down. I watch fields on osu and it’s like a 99 madden team where fields can wait for things to go his way or run it with his speed. I think fields is very talented, but i think Wilson’s attributes translate better to the nfl. I also have a hunch that the early rumors of Wilson having a ‘faster processor’ will be more flushed out as the draft process continues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, JiF said: Awesome stuff, a lot of this has been posted and discussed but I personally appreciate not just coming in here and regurgitating the national media has to say but actually looking at it yourself and making an assessment. I've given my take on a lot of these and I've said it before, I walked away feeling much more impressed by Fields then Lawrence when they went head to head last year, so I appreciate your breakdown. Fields shows you everything on tape. There isnt a particular aspect he lacks or is a huge concern. I hear the "holds the ball too long" comments a lot, he really doesnt. Some of that is system; for a example they run a ton of 4 verts. Those plays require the QB to hold the ball longer but what is sexy is you'll see him go through 4 progressions on those plays, hold a safety with this eyes and throw the best deep ball in the game. He's an all world athlete, with an Ivy League brain all wrapped up into an elite QB prospect but we can nit pick a game vs. a top 10 D with 22 players out, including starters on the OL and his #1 WR or we can look deeper. I prefer the deeper look. The only thing checkbox for me he doesn’t have is experience, which obviously ****ed him this year with Covid. That being said, I think it boils down to how well you can coach up his decision-making. It’s not poor, but he needs to be able to pull the trigger on more “NFL open” throws. We have such a dire need for QB I’d be ok with taking him at 2 unless we got a trade down offer that’s too good to refuse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JustInFudge Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Augustiniak said: Maybe I’m in the minority but i don’t see that with fields. Most throws he’s under no rush and locks onto one wr until the guy inevitably gets open. He’s got a strong arm but there seems to be somewhat of a hitch in his motion. Not sure how much pure touch he can put on his throws either, i just haven’t watched enough, whereas you watch Zach Wilson for a few minutes and you see the different arm angles and velocities needed to make different and difficult kinds of nfl throws. Though against worse competition, Wilson also has worse teammates and you see him moving around and doing lots of stuff himself when plays break down. I watch fields on osu and it’s like a 99 madden team where fields can wait for things to go his way or run it with his speed. I think fields is very talented, but i think Wilson’s attributes translate better to the nfl. I also have a hunch that the early rumors of Wilson having a ‘faster processor’ will be more flushed out as the draft process continues. Not sure how you could say any of this if you watched the film that was just posted, they literally shows you everything you're saying you dont see. He's got those 2nd base side arm throws, he's got the progressions, he's got the insane accuracy/ball placement. Not sure what you're seeing, honestly. Go watch the JT OSullivan break down, you see everything you're saying you dont on that film. His motion is flawless, there are videos on that too. I dont understand the Zach Wilson fascination on this board, personally. Sure, there is some stuff to like but compared to Fields, nah. You're comparing an all world athlete to a Johnny Manziel. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: The only thing checkbox for me he doesn’t have is experience, which obviously ****ed him this year with Covid. That being said, I think it boils down to how well you can coach up his decision-making. It’s not poor, but he needs to be able to pull the trigger on more “NFL open” throws. We have such a dire need for QB I’d be ok with taking him at 2 unless we got a trade down offer that’s too good to refuse. Agreed, it's the experience, for sure. He doesnt have that national moment too, the Watson types of heroics (not the Trevor Lawrence does either) but yes, I agree, the only real concern is the # of starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sec101row23 Posted January 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Paradis said: Possibly. Assessing QBs is difficult on a good day. Sometimes I think it’s obvious other times I don’t know what to believe. I’ll trust in JD for now. The one thing I’ve learned from talking to a lot of these coaches and guys who are around these programs and scout these kids is that you simply don’t know what a QB is going to do once he gets to the next level. So much of what will determine if these kids will be successful QBs is how they process information, it’s night and day between college and the pros. Just because a kid can go from read 1 to 2 in college, doesn’t mean that’s going to happen in the NFL. Just like all the people proclaiming that such and such is a “one read” QB and will struggle in the NFL because of that, doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of going through progressions in the NFL. So much of that stuff is how these kids are being coached in college and how they are being told to execute the offense. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 46 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Geno vibes from this guy Tell me more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, JiF said: Agreed, it's the experience, for sure. He doesnt have that national moment too, the Watson types of heroics (not the Trevor Lawrence does either) but yes, I agree, the only real concern is the # of starts. If you’re being objective, you can’t look at how Fields has played this year And come away from it with the only concern is that he hasn’t started a lot of games. Every QB, except for Jones at Alabama has had to deal with missing guys on offense. That can’t be used as an excuse, especially at OSU where they have 4 and 5 star kids sitting on the bench waiting to come in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 13 hours ago, HawaiisOnlyJetsFan said: Because most just watch highlights, which generally means it's first read big play. If you're having to get to you third or fourth read in college it's probably not a highlight worthy play. The rest is just bias for or against. Fields has pro level physical skills: touch, ball placement/accuracy, good deep ball, incredible athleticism. Most of my negatives on him have to do with decision making and trying to do too much on his own. Always looking for the big play instead of taking what's there. Was a little down on him after the NW game, that said I still have him 1b to TL and would be happy if we drafted him. I felt the same way until his recent streak of bad play. I have no answers as to why he has played so poorly. But, i guess every athlete should be entitled to a bad streak. If he closes the season with a bad game, i believe an notion of him being 1b and taking him at #2 is just too big a risk for the franchise. I’m also concerned that he plays in a system that made Dwayne Haskins look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: I felt the same way until his recent streak of bad play. I have no answers as to why he has played so poorly. But, i guess every athlete should be entitled to a bad streak. If he closes the season with a bad game, i believe an notion of him being 1b and taking him at #2 is just too big a risk for the franchise. I’m also concerned that he plays in a system that made Dwayne Haskins look good. I didn’t watch Haskins in college but I have read that this is a very different offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, QB1 said: I didn’t watch Haskins in college but I have read that this is a very different offense How is it different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: How is it different? https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/justin-fields-different-ohio-state-qbs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 11 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said: If you watched Fields from last year, he’s a no brainer at 2 if you watch him from this year, you wouldn’t even think he’s a first rounder the question is do you believe this is the real him or has this strange COVID season messed with him and last year was the real him i would take a shot on him at 2 you had me until the last statement Justin Fields has never thrown a pick against unranked foes. He's thrown 8 against ranked opposition. the "two games" everyone overrated are also the only 2 real defenses he's faced this year for all those going through the highlights, watch him tonight against Clemson Clemson has the best defense in CFB, maybe even better than Bama this game is going to either make or break Fields draft stock the dude balls out, throws for a bunch, I'll be here tomorrow morning eating crow, and happy to do it. it's not that I don't want the Jets to have a great QB. and i have no problem with fields/Wilson/Lance at 1.29 or 2.1 I just don't know if there's any Qb in this draft worth 1.2 besides trevor it's such a huge gap between Sewell and the next best QB, unless Fields has a Rose Bowl signature moment sponsored by Vince Young and Sam Darnold it's a reach of monumental proportions to take any QB at 2 overall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 41 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: I felt the same way until his recent streak of bad play. I have no answers as to why he has played so poorly. Look at what happened to Zeke in Dallas. I don't want to violate Max's non sports laws but we don't know what this disease does to people long term and there are a certain amount of people who get it, recover, and then have symptoms afterward. Jedrick Wills of the Cleveland Browns tested negative last week but still missed the jets game with some kind of aftereffect symptoms, despite testing negative before the game. The NYT has an article about healthy people with no history of mental illness hearing voices and getting severe schizophrenia after recovery when we were all excited to trade Jamal Adams, part of my reasoning against it is that these picks the 21 and 22 seasons are going to be compromised. At the time I thought it was for the usual reasons, lack of information, shutting down all the games, maybe they wouldn't be able to pro days etc. The reason no one (except for maybe Pete Carroll) considered is that some of these guys are going to get the disease and not look the same afterward for months or possibly ever again. Penei Sewell and all these other elite prospects that opted out did so for good football reasons and sound business reasons again I hope this post treads the line between football and non football and I'm sorry if it doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sec101row23 Posted January 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, bitonti said: you had me until the last statement Justin Fields has never thrown a pick against unranked foes. He's thrown 8 against ranked opposition. the "two games" everyone overrated are also the only 2 real defenses he's faced this year for all those going through the highlights, watch him tonight against Clemson Clemson has the best defense in CFB, maybe even better than Bama this game is going to either make or break Fields draft stock the dude balls out, throws for a bunch, I'll be here tomorrow morning eating crow, and happy to do it. it's not that I don't want the Jets to have a great QB. and i have no problem with fields/Wilson/Lance at 1.29 or 2.1 I just don't know if there's any Qb in this draft worth 1.2 besides trevor it's such a huge gap between Sewell and the next best QB, unless Fields has a Rose Bowl signature moment sponsored by Vince Young and Sam Darnold it's a reach of monumental proportions to take any QB at 2 overall But should one performance sway your eval that much? I mean, look at the two QBs you cited, shouldn’t there have been less emphasis on those performances? For me, I don’t knock a kid as much for a bad game and don’t elevate him as much for a good game, too many people rise and fall on every throw from quarter to quarter. Tonight is another data point, win, lose it’s just another game. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, QB1 said: https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/justin-fields-different-ohio-state-qbs Thanks. According to the article it is the same offense that Haskins had, it just emphasizes different concepts to take advantage if strengths Fields possesses that Haskins did not... mobility and better downfield passing. But, perhaps that makes it a different offense? Regardless, the article is a testament to the OSU coaches constantly altering their O schemes to take advantage of the strengths of whatever QB is under center. And the fact that Fields coaches have done this and he has played so poorly in recent games is a concern. I hope he finishes his career with a strong game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: But should one performance sway your eval that much? I mean, look at the two QBs you cited, shouldn’t there have been less emphasis on those performances? For me, I don’t knock a kid as much for a bad game and don’t elevate him as much for a good game, too many people rise and fall on every throw from quarter to quarter. Tonight is another data point, win, lose it’s just another game. It shouldn't youre right but scouts always evaluate prospects based on their toughest foe not their easiest this Clemson game they are big underdogs to a defense full of future NFL players Clemson 20 D would be his toughest test he's ever faced, by far. This defense is way better than Northwestern and Indiana. it is just one data point as you say but it's on national tv with every decision maker watching, it shouldn't mean more but it does he could, feasibly, answer all the questions, get the ball out quick, and make himself millions tonight i don't make the rules I just report them, remind people they exist and then get rotten fruit thrown at me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg555 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 “I dont understand the Zach Wilson fascination on this board, personally. Sure, there is some stuff to like but compared to Fields, nah. You're comparing and all world athlete to a Johnny Manziel.” JiF ok.. you could be right. But your take makes me wonder what all the football insiders think...? They can be wrong, of course...but not sure I’ve read that many think Fields over Wilson is a no-brainer. fascinating game to watch tonight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I thought this was an interesting article on why Fields and Lawrence are held to a different standard: https://saturdaytradition.com/ohio-state-football/trevor-lawrence-isnt-held-to-the-same-standard-as-justin-fields/ I would totally be fine with Fields or Wilson at 2. Bottom line is, they both have more upside than Darnold at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: It shouldn't youre right but scouts always evaluate prospects based on their toughest foe not their easiest this Clemson game they are big underdogs to a defense full of future NFL players Clemson 20 D would be his toughest test he's ever faced, by far. This defense is way better than Northwestern and Indiana. it is just one data point as you say but it's on national tv with every decision maker watching, it shouldn't mean more but it does he could, feasibly, answer all the questions, get the ball out quick, and make himself millions tonight i don't make the rules I just report them, remind people they exist and then get rotten fruit thrown at me Agreed, the narrative would change dramatically if he went out and threw for 350 4 TDS and won the game. I just feel like more mistakes are made in evaluations from putting too much emphasis on any one performance, good or bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Agreed, the narrative would change dramatically if he went out and threw for 350 4 TDS and won the game. I just feel like more mistakes are made in evaluations from putting too much emphasis on any one performance, good or bad. it depends on expectations drafting Vince Young after a great Rose Bowl sounds like a terrible decision, given full hindsight like awful, right? but people forget the dude won Rookie of the year. He couldn't turn it into a long career but the standard of draft pick success is nebulous I feel like if you take a guy and he wins ROTY that's a good pick and what happens afterward is up to life, the universe and everything else If the jets take Fields at 2 and he wins ROTY i'm taking that outcome sight unseen as to what happens next maybe it's just because of draftdaddy but honestly my head is full of names of dudes who went nowhere. Like hundreds of names per year. After a while you start to lose faith in the best case scenario and everything becomes about avoiding the worst case scenario 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, bitonti said: it depends on expectations drafting Vince Young after a great Rose Bowl sounds like a terrible decision, given full hindsight like awful, right? but people forget the dude won Rookie of the year. He couldn't turn it into a long career but the standard of draft pick success is nebulous I feel like if you take a guy and he wins ROTY that's a good pick and what happens afterward is up to life, the universe and everything else If the jets take Fields at 2 and he wins ROTY i'm taking that outcome sight unseen as to what happens next maybe it's just because of draftdaddy but honestly my head is full of names of dudes who went nowhere. Like hundreds of names per year. After a while you start to lose faith in the best case scenario and everything becomes about avoiding the worst case scenario That’s because the success rate is so damn low that if you basically said that every QB coming out wasn’t going to succeed, you would be correct far more than you would be wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamathToCaster Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Fields has very good throwing mechanics. He pushes off with the inner back foot, rotates left and right hips and keeps his front leg bent and keeps the left hand near his face mask when he transfers weight from back to front foot. This provides the whip and slingshot effect. Joe Namath had the exact same mechanics except Joe kept the ball higher during his delivery. The hip rotation and weight transfer are the same. So I feel very good about Fields throwing motion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 11 hours ago, jetswinbaby! said: I remember hearing somewhere (Cowherd show?) that after year 3, QB's rarely get dramatically better... You mean guys like Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Drew Brees... guys like that don't get dramatically better after year 3?? LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, bitonti said: it depends on expectations drafting Vince Young after a great Rose Bowl sounds like a terrible decision, given full hindsight like awful, right? but people forget the dude won Rookie of the year. He couldn't turn it into a long career but the standard of draft pick success is nebulous I feel like if you take a guy and he wins ROTY that's a good pick and what happens afterward is up to life, the universe and everything else If the jets take Fields at 2 and he wins ROTY i'm taking that outcome sight unseen as to what happens next maybe it's just because of draftdaddy but honestly my head is full of names of dudes who went nowhere. Like hundreds of names per year. After a while you start to lose faith in the best case scenario and everything becomes about avoiding the worst case scenario I don't know how you possibly can draw that conclusion. ROTY is an award on a curve. Lower expectations. Now if you said they make the Prop Bowl in the first 3 years, then you'd be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 My son goes to Clemson and I'll be rooting hard for the Tigers obviously..that said, you can bet that Chris Johnson will be watching how Fields performs..if he has a lights out game and OSU wins you can be assured that JD will be getting a call to draft him...Johnson will be able to say that we got the guy who beat the number 1 pick Lawrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 12 hours ago, kdels62 said: Watch the games. It’s not a stat game it’s performance that’s disconcerting. It’s failure to read the rush and release the ball. His athleticism saves him but he needs to show more. Overreaction here . Are you referring to all the film or just the Indiana or NW game. In the Indiana game he was missing 3 OL starters with replacements only having a few days to practice due to covid,. In the NW game Fitzgerald's game plan was to take away Fields and drop 6/7/8 into coverage . Then on obvious passing downs they brought overload blitzes. Any QB , even NFL quality QB's will struggle in that scenario. Its why OSU ran the ball , its what NW gave them all day. And in the NW game he was missing his top wideout Olave and he injured his hand/wrist in the1st qtr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Augustiniak said: Maybe I’m in the minority but i don’t see that with fields. Most throws he’s under no rush and locks onto one wr until the guy inevitably gets open. He’s got a strong arm but there seems to be somewhat of a hitch in his motion. Not sure how much pure touch he can put on his throws either, i just haven’t watched enough, whereas you watch Zach Wilson for a few minutes and you see the different arm angles and velocities needed to make different and difficult kinds of nfl throws. Though against worse competition, Wilson also has worse teammates and you see him moving around and doing lots of stuff himself when plays break down. I watch fields on osu and it’s like a 99 madden team where fields can wait for things to go his way or run it with his speed. I think fields is very talented, but i think Wilson’s attributes translate better to the nfl. I also have a hunch that the early rumors of Wilson having a ‘faster processor’ will be more flushed out as the draft process continues. You say Fields is under no rush and then praise Wilson. Half of Wilson's games he could have made a sandwich and read a book before he had to throw. In the UCF game which everyone gushed over , he might as well have come on the field with shorts and a tee shirt , it was a glorified Pro Day workout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 hours ago, sec101row23 said: If you’re being objective, you can’t look at how Fields has played this year And come away from it with the only concern is that he hasn’t started a lot of games. Every QB, except for Jones at Alabama has had to deal with missing guys on offense. That can’t be used as an excuse, especially at OSU where they have 4 and 5 star kids sitting on the bench waiting to come in. The Indiana game was not a bad game , he accounted for ~ 400 yards of offense and his team won . People get hung up on the 3 ints, two of which were just stupid throws trying to do too much . The NW game his stats and film look bad but taken in context of the game it makes sense . NW dropped 6/7 even 8 guys into coverage daring OSU to beat them on the ground which they smartly did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, bitonti said: you had me until the last statement Justin Fields has never thrown a pick against unranked foes. He's thrown 8 against ranked opposition. the "two games" everyone overrated are also the only 2 real defenses he's faced this year for all those going through the highlights, watch him tonight against Clemson Clemson has the best defense in CFB, maybe even better than Bama this game is going to either make or break Fields draft stock the dude balls out, throws for a bunch, I'll be here tomorrow morning eating crow, and happy to do it. it's not that I don't want the Jets to have a great QB. and i have no problem with fields/Wilson/Lance at 1.29 or 2.1 I just don't know if there's any Qb in this draft worth 1.2 besides trevor it's such a huge gap between Sewell and the next best QB, unless Fields has a Rose Bowl signature moment sponsored by Vince Young and Sam Darnold it's a reach of monumental proportions to take any QB at 2 overall You were never so wrong and that's saying a lot. And that would be the idiotic reason to take him at #2 , because of what he did in one single game whether its blow the doors off good or stink the joint out bad. Fortunately that's not how "competent" scouting and player evaluation works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Overreaction here . Are you referring to all the film or just the Indiana or NW game. In the Indiana game he was missing 3 OL starters with replacements only having a few days to practice due to covid,. In the NW game Fitzgerald's game plan was to take away Fields and drop 6/7/8 into coverage . Then on obvious passing downs they brought overload blitzes. Any QB , even NFL quality QB's will struggle in that scenario. Its why OSU ran the ball , its what NW gave them all day. And in the NW game he was missing his top wideout Olave and he injured his hand/wrist in the1st qtr. The Indiana game in particular was a mess. I don’t fault him as much for the NW game. Ohio State back ups aren’t slouches, and given their talent level it’s up to Fields to show his ability. He really didn’t. Fields is a really good prospect but he’s showing bad cracks and what you can see in his worst games shows up in stats. For instance, against the blitz his time to release the ball actually increases which isn’t true for Wilson or Lawrence. That means he’s bailing instead of reading the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 hours ago, bitonti said: you had me until the last statement Justin Fields has never thrown a pick against unranked foes. He's thrown 8 against ranked opposition. the "two games" everyone overrated are also the only 2 real defenses he's faced this year for all those going through the highlights, watch him tonight against Clemson Clemson has the best defense in CFB, maybe even better than Bama this game is going to either make or break Fields draft stock the dude balls out, throws for a bunch, I'll be here tomorrow morning eating crow, and happy to do it. it's not that I don't want the Jets to have a great QB. and i have no problem with fields/Wilson/Lance at 1.29 or 2.1 I just don't know if there's any Qb in this draft worth 1.2 besides trevor it's such a huge gap between Sewell and the next best QB, unless Fields has a Rose Bowl signature moment sponsored by Vince Young and Sam Darnold it's a reach of monumental proportions to take any QB at 2 overall Great college QB prospects don’t s the bed facing Northwestern and IU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, kdels62 said: The Indiana game in particular was a mess. I don’t fault him as much for the NW game. Ohio State back ups aren’t slouches, and given their talent level it’s up to Fields to show his ability. He really didn’t. Fields is a really good prospect but he’s showing bad cracks and what you can see in his worst games shows up in stats. For instance, against the blitz his time to release the ball actually increases which isn’t true for Wilson or Lawrence. That means he’s bailing instead of reading the game. Or it means that he is using his athleticism to evade rushers and create more time. I never understood the “doesn’t check down” criticism. That is the easiest thing to teach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 hours ago, sec101row23 said: If you’re being objective, you can’t look at how Fields has played this year And come away from it with the only concern is that he hasn’t started a lot of games. Every QB, except for Jones at Alabama has had to deal with missing guys on offense. That can’t be used as an excuse, especially at OSU where they have 4 and 5 star kids sitting on the bench waiting to come in. Not to get too defensive because I am trying to be objective but the NW game was so far from what we've ever seen from him that I really think the thumb played a huge factor. And while having players out is no excuse, I dont think this is your same old OSU, at least, not from what I've seen in the few games they've played, so I do think changing your game plan 24 hours before kickoff is a big factor. They've played 6 games, after 3, he had more TD's than INT's. It's easy to forget that and when you look at his turnovers; 2 were boneheaded trying to do too much plays that he clearly has learned from, 1 was 100% on him, the other 100% on his WR and other was probably the best defensive play of the year in college football. Ultimately, I'm not going to kill him for 1 bad game (I dont consider Indiana a bad game), as ugly as it looked, there is enough dominance and wow to overlook it, especially what IMO are pretty legit albeit excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 hours ago, bitonti said: you had me until the last statement Justin Fields has never thrown a pick against unranked foes. He's thrown 8 against ranked opposition. the "two games" everyone overrated are also the only 2 real defenses he's faced this year for all those going through the highlights, watch him tonight against Clemson Clemson has the best defense in CFB, maybe even better than Bama this game is going to either make or break Fields draft stock the dude balls out, throws for a bunch, I'll be here tomorrow morning eating crow, and happy to do it. it's not that I don't want the Jets to have a great QB. and i have no problem with fields/Wilson/Lance at 1.29 or 2.1 I just don't know if there's any Qb in this draft worth 1.2 besides trevor it's such a huge gap between Sewell and the next best QB, unless Fields has a Rose Bowl signature moment sponsored by Vince Young and Sam Darnold it's a reach of monumental proportions to take any QB at 2 overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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