Steve Young on Wilson’s struggles

[Matt39]

20 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Literally nobody is saying that. But it’s huge when you take that away that much experience 2 weeks before training camp.

The problem is Zach’s mechanics, something exactly what Knapp would be working on. Has nothing to do with the system he’s in or blocking. It’s like what Pep Hamilton was to Herbert. 
 

The mechanics piece is supposed to be at least close to being mastered before getting to the NFL, especially if you plan on starting the guy year 1. 

[munchmemory]

38 minutes ago, Snell41 said:

Zach sucks because LaFleur, Zach sucks because Douglas, Zach sucks because the line sucks, Zach sucks because Knapp died.

Reality check folks-Zach sucks because he sucks.


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Same hallow arguments made to explain why Sanchez, Geno & Darnold sucked.  In a couple of weeks, if Zack continues on this trajectory, the "he needs more time" folks will start to dissipate.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The mechanics piece is supposed to be at least close to being mastered before getting to the NFL, especially if you plan on starting the guy year 1. 

Yes. He should be perfect when comes to the nfl. My bad. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

4 minutes ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said:

Who TF is Steve young to be revered as this omniscient QB guru with all things football? 

He has an opinion and has played in the pioneering version of this WC offense 30 years ago with different athletes and rules in play. He’s now nothing more than another talking head for ESPN now and should be taken as such.

 He was considered a bust himself in Tampa until he was forced to sit, watch, and learn behind #16 Cool Joe CaM(el)ontana. 
 

I appreciate Jets football talk, but let’s stop with the ball washing of a lefty Mormon as if his words were law and the death of a QB coach as the determining factor as to why this team is poor in quality. 
 

The loss of Knapp is a shame, but like in life, you QUIT making excuses and move on. They brought in Crap Cavanaugh, and could have brought in plenty of other “experienced” coaches for the QB but decided otherwise and didn’t, so this is what they get. Jets have no one to blame for themselves, so cut the sad violins with the loss of Knapp; his death is a shame but there’s a reason je was never a successful OC (SF, Atlx2, Oak, Sea, Den) or even a HC in the NFL. 

Plenty of other qualified coaches?? 2 weeks before training camp??? Lol. Love how there’s magically just a plethora of good coaches waiting to be hired. 

[92ShaunEllis92]

7 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Man just be human and look inside these guys are the same as you and me man tragedy sucks.

Yeah, and life DICTATES you fücking suck it up and keep marching ahead. Being human is the common denominator, getting your shįt together and quit making excuses because you have a job to do despite horrible/difficult “emotional” circumstances is also part of being human. Some just aren’t good as others in forging ahead despite circumstances. 

[T0mShane]

Was Greg Knapp aware that he was hired to run a daycare for unqualified offensive football coaches? 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

9 minutes ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said:

Who TF is Steve young to be revered as this omniscient QB guru with all things football? 

He has an opinion and has played in the pioneering version of this WC offense 30 years ago with different athletes and rules in play. He’s now nothing more than another talking head for ESPN now and should be taken as such.

 He was considered a bust himself in Tampa until he was forced to sit, watch, and learn behind #16 Cool Joe CaM(el)ontana. 
 

I appreciate Jets football talk, but let’s stop with the ball washing of a lefty Mormon as if his words were law and the death of a QB coach as the determining factor as to why this team is poor in quality. 
 

The loss of Knapp is a shame, but like in life, you QUIT making excuses and move on. They brought in Crap Cavanaugh, and could have brought in plenty of other “experienced” coaches for the QB but decided otherwise and didn’t, so this is what they get. Jets have no one to blame for themselves, so cut the sad violins with the loss of Knapp; his death is a shame but there’s a reason je was never a successful OC (SF, Atlx2, Oak, Sea, Den) or even a HC in the NFL. 

Hmmm listen to Steve young. HOF QB orrr 92ShaunEllis….this is tough…

[Lupz27]

12 minutes ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said:

Who TF is Steve young to be revered as this omniscient QB guru with all things football? 

He has an opinion and has played in the pioneering version of this WC offense 30 years ago with different athletes and rules in play. He’s now nothing more than another talking head for ESPN now and should be taken as such.

 He was considered a bust himself in Tampa until he was forced to sit, watch, and learn behind #16 Cool Joe CaM(el)ontana. 
 

I appreciate Jets football talk, but let’s stop with the ball washing of a lefty Mormon as if his words were law and the death of a QB coach as the determining factor as to why this team is poor in quality. 
 

The loss of Knapp is a shame, but like in life, you QUIT making excuses and move on. They brought in Crap Cavanaugh, and could have brought in plenty of other “experienced” coaches for the QB but decided otherwise and didn’t, so this is what they get. Jets have no one to blame for themselves, so cut the sad violins with the loss of Knapp; his death is a shame but there’s a reason je was never a successful OC (SF, Atlx2, Oak, Sea, Den) or even a HC in the NFL. 

Ok so if I had to chose my talking points from you or Steve Young HOF QB who mastered the offense we play, who would I choose?  Decisions decisions.

[92ShaunEllis92]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Hmmm listen to Steve young. HOF QB orrr 92ShaunEllis….this is tough…

Thank you for demonstrating your weak argument with this poor reply and your sheep mentality. 
 

The smart thing to do is listen to neither since they’re merely subjective opinions based on a hypothetical no one has the answer to. Thanks for the typing exercise. Lol ?

[munchmemory]

3 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Ok so if I had to chose my talking points from you or Steve Young HOF QB who mastered the offense we play, who would I choose?  Decisions decisions.

Since when do we run the West Coast offense?   If that's what LaFleur thinks he's doing he might be a bigger sap than I already think.   Have we run one quick slant?  lol  No friggin' way.

[92ShaunEllis92]

1 minute ago, Lupz27 said:

Ok so if I had to chose my talking points from you or Steve Young HOF QB who mastered the offense we play, who would I choose?  Decisions decisions.

Your answer is in the 2nd paragraph.

? take their talking points from others. lol 
 

Just now, 92ShaunEllis92 said:

Thank you for demonstrating your weak argument with this poor reply and your sheep mentality. 
 

The smart thing to do is listen to neither since they’re merely subjective opinions based on a hypothetical no one has the answer to. Thanks for the typing exercise. Lol ?

You can also simply ignore the posts you disagree with. If you think I’m wrong, fair enough ?

[Snell41]

Hmmm listen to Steve young. HOF QB orrr 92ShaunEllis….this is tough…

Chris Johnson listened to Peyton Manning. Maybe he should have called 92ShaunEllis


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[92ShaunEllis92]

1 minute ago, Snell41 said:

 

Chris Johnson listened to Peyton Manning. Maybe he should have called 92ShaunEllis


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MULTIPLE SB RINGS by now. Lol ?

[Bowles Movement]

14 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Plenty of other qualified coaches?? 2 weeks before training camp??? Lol. Love how there’s magically just a plethora of good coaches waiting to be hired. 

Agree with you 100 per cent.

On top of that, he ridicules Steve Young, a Hall of Fame QB, because he doesnt agree with his opinion?  The guy has forgotten more than most of us will ever know about football.   If Youngs opinion doesnt count, is there anybody more qualified than Young on this board whose opinions should be considered?  

And who in the NFL has opinions that we should consider and respect?

[HawkeyeJet]

Position coaches are important.  They are like supervisors.  They aren’t going to change a scrub into a star, but good ones can make sure they get the best out of their people and not all of them have the same opinion as to the best thing for a particular person.

Knapp may have had a very specific idea for how to bring Wilson along.  Maybe he saw things mechanically that others didn’t or others Dodd they think need fixing.  Maybe they had a rapport that Wilson and Calebrese don’t have,  Maybe Calabrese can’t explain things the best way for Wilson to absorb them.

When Young says he was comfortable with the plan they had in place with Knapp and is uncomfortable now, I suspect he knows that the two coaches being compared are drastically different in how they go about their business. 

[Matt39]

23 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Yes. He should be perfect when comes to the nfl. My bad. 

No one said perfect but if he is struggling with his mechanics on swing passes he wasn’t ready to start. There just isn’t enough practice time anymore to work on this stuff.

[rangerous]

50 minutes ago, slats said:

It’s just way too early to say crap like this. Just ask my good friend @Jetsfan80 about Josh Allen. The misses on what should be easy passes is concerning, but then he whips a pass 50 yards from one side of the field to the other in a perfect strike on that PI to Moore. I mean, I don’t know if we’ve had a QB who could get that ball close enough for the penalty to even be called, but that was either a penalty or a TD. I’m willing to give the kid some time while the game slows down for him. Hoping this is a good time for a bye. 

definitely a good time for the bye.  the patsies are up next and while it'll be a tough game brady's not there and they did get to jones pretty good.  but you are right.  it's way too early to point at this guy or that guy.  even van roten has shown that he gets better as the season goes on and he's kind of opposite fant, bad in pass good in run vs bad in run and good in pass.  the thing too is we'll soon find out if all of the ire is justified.  for this season it's not just about the wins.

[Matt39]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Was Greg Knapp aware that he was hired to run a daycare for unqualified offensive football coaches? 

Lol. We are talking about a NFL team here right?

[Lupz27]

9 minutes ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said:

Your answer is in the 2nd paragraph.

? take their talking points from others. lol 
 

You can also simply ignore the posts you disagree with. If you think I’m wrong, fair enough ?

The reason why I’m replying is because I don’t think there is a right or wrong here we are talking about a tragedy and raw human emotion.  Maybe it’s not messing with Wilson, but maybe it’s messing with his direct coaches who loved the guy and are having a tough time teaching this kid properly right now?  I don’t have the answer(s).

[Jetluv58]

1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Life happens. I’m pretty confident Saleh will bring in an experienced coach next offseason. With or without Lefluer. 

But why wait, I guess that’s what I don’t get.

[munchmemory]

Just now, Jetluv58 said:

But why wait, I guess that’s what I don’t get.

Forget it.  This team and some of its fans are comfortable throwing away a year or three to see if a coach or QB has potential.

[92ShaunEllis92]

4 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

Agree with you 100 per cent.

On top of that, he ridicules Steve Young, a Hall of Fame QB, because he doesnt agree with his opinion?  The guy has forgotten more than most of us will ever know about football.   If Youngs opinion doesnt count, is there anybody more qualified than Young on this board whose opinions should be considered?  

And who in the NFL has opinions that we should consider and respect?

steve young is a BAD analyst. 
my point was already made by another poster in this thread:

37 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

I love Steve Young. He was my favorite QB while I was growing up. But as an analyst, I've never been super impressed with him. He seems to try to come with different takes, and then his support for those takes sometimes is head scratching. 

This is why you’re a fool if you take Young’s NFL analysis as always correct and verbatim. Lol 

agree to disagree on how much credibility to extend to Steve Young when it comes to his opinion.  

[Snell41]

Agree with you 100 per cent.
On top of that, he ridicules Steve Young, a Hall of Fame QB, because he doesnt agree with his opinion?  The guy has forgotten more than most of us will ever know about football.   If Youngs opinion doesnt count, is there anybody more qualified than Young on this board whose opinions should be considered?  
And who in the NFL has opinions that we should consider and respect?

Again-Peyton Manning convinced us to hire Adam Gase. Ron Jaworski was all over Mark Sanchez’s nuts. I don’t even need to go on beyond that because there’s literally hundreds of former players on record supporting what would turn out to be bums. Steve Young is supporting a fellow alumni, it’s the only reason he has any interest in him at all. Of course he’s going to say optimistic things. If Zach Wilson sh*ts himself out of the league it’s no skin off Young’s back.


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[Flea Flicking Frank]

Have we ruled out that the driver of the car who hit Knapp wasn't a BB hit man?

[munchmemory]

2 minutes ago, Snell41 said:

 

Again-Peyton Manning convinced us to hire Adam Gase. Ron Jaworski was all over Mark Sanchez’s nuts. I don’t even need to go on beyond that because there’s literally hundreds of former players on record supporting what would turn out to be bums. Steve Young is supporting a fellow alumni, it’s the only reason he has any interest in him at all. Of course he’s going to say optimistic things. If Zach Wilson sh*ts himself out of the league it’s no skin off Young’s back.


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Young might ever see a likeness of Joseph Smith is Zack's excrement.  

[92ShaunEllis92]

5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

The reason why I’m replying is because I don’t think there is a right or wrong here we are talking about a tragedy and raw human emotion.  Maybe it’s not messing with Wilson, but maybe it’s messing with his direct coaches who loved the guy and are having a tough time teaching this kid properly right now?  I don’t have the answer(s).

With all due respect. I see that as such a Bïtch a$s Bùllshįt excuse. 
 

If you’re a Professinal, act like one. I don’t buy that they’re “having a tough time teaching this kid properly right now” due to emotional loss? That’s a weak pûssy’s argument looking for a scapegoat. We disagree and no one has the answer

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

9 minutes ago, Jetluv58 said:

But why wait, I guess that’s what I don’t get.

Because there’s no coaches available mid season??

[BroadwayRay]

Andy Reid sat Patrick Mahomes on the bench for a year to clean up all the rookie sh*t that Zach Wilson is trying to clean up on the job. All I can say is that Saleh and LaFleur better not screw it up.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

7 minutes ago, Snell41 said:

 

Again-Peyton Manning convinced us to hire Adam Gase. Ron Jaworski was all over Mark Sanchez’s nuts. I don’t even need to go on beyond that because there’s literally hundreds of former players on record supporting what would turn out to be bums. Steve Young is supporting a fellow alumni, it’s the only reason he has any interest in him at all. Of course he’s going to say optimistic things. If Zach Wilson sh*ts himself out of the league it’s no skin off Young’s back.


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Lol. He’s not even saying optimistic things!! Listen to it! He’s telling us what he’s going through and why he is. 

[Jetluv58]

44 minutes ago, 92ShaunEllis92 said:

 

I appreciate Jets football talk, but let’s stop with the ball washing of a lefty Mormon as if his words were law and the death of a QB coach as the determining factor as to why this team is poor in quality. 

So this kind of political referencing and religion-bashing is cool here? 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

Ahh, yes, The Legend of Gregg Knapp and all the rookie QBs he's developed. It's a miracle any QB in the league has succeeded without him to coach them as rookies. 

To be clear, he certainly would have helped, but people have latched on to this narrative that Knapp would have FIXED EVERYTHING. The problem isn't simply that Zach doesn't "get it" or "is bad".

There's systemic problems here from the blocking to play design and... hold onto your butts.. very similar problems to what Knapp had in each of his stops as an offensive coordinator.

There's also the issue that apparently Knapp was the only experienced and competent person on the offensive coaching staff. 

Desperate people reach out for any life preserver.

Ours seem to be "if only Knapp..." and "Free Mims!".

[munchmemory]

2 minutes ago, Jetluv58 said:

So this kind of political referencing and religious-bashing is cool here? 

Yeah, that bothers me, too.  

[Snell41]

Andy Reid sat Patrick Mahomes on the bench for a year to clean up all the rookie sh*t that Zach Wilson is trying to clean up on the job. All I can say is that Saleh and LaFleur better not screw it up.

And Mahomes has more talent in a finger than Wilson has at all. You’re right, Zach should be sitting…… in a McDonalds cooking fries.


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[FTL Jet Fan]

1 hour ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said:

The most Jets thing ever would be to have a talented, promising young qb who never reached his potential because his coach died in a bicycling accident.

Larry David couldn't even make that sh*t up

So true, that was the plan for this kid as his family didn’t want him to go to NY and Young and the Jets made the move for Knapp and ML. Was the old death blow. 

 

1 hour ago, undertow said:

Oh ok so Zach Wilson is depressed...that's the theory?

Come on man, this was his guy on the sideline and ML would be in the booth. Knapp would be in ZW’s ear also drawing up plays to ZW’s strength. Say what you want but just look at a the QB’s he has worked with. Jets need to bring someone in not Matt C. They will make a hire for Wilson next year.

[92ShaunEllis92]

12 minutes ago, Jetluv58 said:

So this kind of political referencing and religion-bashing is cool here? 

Where is there a reference to politics or me bashing a religion? You illiterate or just obtuse? 
 

Young is a Mormon. Fact. 
Young is left-handed. Fact. 
 

Are you so dense that your own narrative and “colors” are showing by how you interpret my post?

please refrain from replying to me. What a clown?