CanadienJetsFan Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 He’s doing good. So long as he doesn’t turnover the ball like all our past FQB prospects, we’re going places. We finally have play makers. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: That’s 512 yards, 4TDs, and 83% completion for a game Lol. I just meant the type of Zach that carried the offense. Not every game but there will be plenty where we need him to do so. If he is going to be the guy, eventually that has to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: That’s 512 yards, 4TDs, and 83% completion for a game you know some of the folks here would find something to complain about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Warfish said: I still don't like looking at Zach purely through the prism of the 2022 QB Draft Class. He could be far and away the best QB in that class.....and still suck. That is why this is a flawed way to look at Zach. All NFL starting QB's. That is the pool of players for which Zach should be looked at/compared against. Also, rediculous the analysis states Wilson has better playmakers than the other QBs and the same coaches from last year. So, whose fault is that?. No sense picking QBs in the 1st round if you keep changing coaches and not providing them with playmakers the QB needs. Lord knows we have had that for most of our past. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Claymation said: The Steelers’ defense currently ranks 21st in expected points added (EPA) per play against, and Wilson earned a 69.1 PFF grade against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, batman10023 said: you know some of the folks here would find something to complain about. Selfish player ignoring the run game to pad his stats disgusting 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said: They beat a third string QB ; RELAX . Make it your signature. Maybe it will help people who think the Jets won a game relax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, batman10023 said: you know some of the folks here would find something to complain about. He had too much help from his WRs catching the ball. or Zach that scumbag ran up the score 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramsci Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Warfish said: Not really, not like this. What if the whole class are busts? Is him being ever-so-slightly better than a bust meaningful? Now, if you grouped "all QB's under 28" or something, that could hold more value as an analysis tool, but it's alot more work. Last I checked, the job of those two gentlemen is exactly the same, NFL QB. Artificially limiting the pool is just that, artificial. 22, 32 or 52, if they play starting NFL QB, that's the competition to which any other starting NFL QB must be compared against, because they hold the same job and face the same expectations of performance and responsibility. Doesn't mean one cannot factor other things into that analysis of course. Like age and experience. Only that artificially limiting the analysis to "left handed QB's born in October on odd numbered years" doesn't really mean much. JMO of course. For effects of statistical comparison you absolutely need to input variables in order to obtain reliable data. Variables such as age, coaching and supporting cast should definitely be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 9 hours ago, DonCorleone said: Numbers are very important. The only numbers I like to look at this season are wins and losses. I ask myself...Does he know how to win? only two games in for the kid and I refuse to allow myself to be carried away. It appears that his team believes in him. If he can continue to improve, I think that we will truly like the results. He has continued to improve going back to last year, that’s really not debatable. First baby steps after coming back, Not turning the ball over (he was Leading the NFL in pass attempts Without a turnover, I think it was 156, before getting picked in Pittsburgh), cleaning up those dirt passes he was throwing in the short game, which was Never seen before at all during his entire college career. The trajectory of his game continues to point up, even in almost imperceptible facets. Makes no sense to pass a 100% definitive judgement on Wilson, definitely not last year with almost No pro talent around him, and not this year either….Good or Bad. But I think I see things where where his game continues to improve as he looks way more comfortable playing ball at the highest level. Great arm, fast legs, intelligent, game definitely improving. The Jets sure could be worse off at the QB position. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 10 hours ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: He has continued to improve going back to last year, that’s really not debatable. First baby steps after coming back, Not turning the ball over (he was Leading the NFL in pass attempts Without a turnover, I think it was 156, before getting picked in Pittsburgh), cleaning up those dirt passes he was throwing in the short game, which was Never seen before at all during his entire college career. The trajectory of his game continues to point up, even in almost imperceptible facets. Makes no sense to pass a 100% definitive judgement on Wilson, definitely not last year with almost No pro talent around him, and not this year either….Good or Bad. But I think I see things where where his game continues to improve as he looks way more comfortable playing ball at the highest level. Great arm, fast legs, intelligent, game definitely improving. The Jets sure could be worse off at the QB position. Hey don't get me wrong, I agree with all you said. However, I am a Jets fan so to me, everything comes with a "What if"... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 20 hours ago, Warfish said: I still don't like looking at Zach purely through the prism of the 2022 QB Draft Class. He could be far and away the best QB in that class.....and still suck. That is why this is a flawed way to look at Zach. All NFL starting QB's. That is the pool of players for which Zach should be looked at/compared against. I think during their rookie years it's an interesting analysis, but I tend to agree with you that at this point it's irrelevant -with one caveat. As a judgement of the GM's performance to see which QB's he passed on. Obviously TL is irrelevant in that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 The most simple thing out there is that he looks more comfortable and confident in the pocket (when there is a pocket for him). His first response is not to bail, but to allow something downfield to develop. If the Jets can improve this line, I think we will see more and more of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 So far he looks like the game has slowed down for him compared to last year. His feet are calmer and he’s making his reads quicker. We’ll see if that eliminates the dumb mistakes as the Jets ramp up the passing attack as the season goes on. That by itself is encouraging after the three years of watching Darnold fail to improve at all. You could watch Darnold today and you’d see the same player he was in his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I think during their rookie years it's an interesting analysis, but I tend to agree with you that at this point it's irrelevant -with one caveat. As a judgement of the GM's performance to see which QB's he passed on. Obviously TL is irrelevant in that scenario. The #1 reason it’s getting reported on this season is that there was no rookie class of QBs in this year’s draft to track. Last year, QBs went 1-2-3, so of course it’s going to remain a story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said: So far he looks like the game has slowed down for him compared to last year. His feet are calmer and he’s making his reads quicker. We’ll see if that eliminates the dumb mistakes as the Jets ramp up the passing attack as the season goes on. That by itself is encouraging after the three years of watching Darnold fail to improve at all. You could watch Darnold today and you’d see the same player he was in his rookie year. Does he really make dumb mistakes? He didn’t throw a pick the last 5 weeks of last season and you could argue they neither pick vs Pittsburgh was his fault. He didn’t throw a turnover worthy throw last week either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: I think during their rookie years it's an interesting analysis, but I tend to agree with you that at this point it's irrelevant -with one caveat. As a judgement of the GM's performance to see which QB's he passed on. Obviously TL is irrelevant in that scenario. I should clarify that it's not totally worthless, it's just of limited use. Judging a GM's choice in a given class would definitely be one use of that data, although I'd say not quite yet in this case. The expectation of any QB, of any age, that is named starter, is to play at the level expected of a starting QB. I expect Zach to compete (production/performance wise) with Mahomes, Cousins, Geno Smith (lol), not just T.L. or the rest of that draft class. Limiting it to that class can provide very misleading results, and misses the point. It's not good enough to be good amongst your draft class, a QB needs to be good, period, end stop, against all other QB's. I'd also say that a forum (like this one) that has endlessly used the phrases "cannot judge, too early, need to give him time" engaged in some hypocritical irony proclaiming Zach as anything the second he eclipses T.L., not even for their careers (yet) but just for 2022, and not in real metrics but in PFF Rankings, lol. What happened to all that "reserve judgement", "be patient" and "give them the rest of this year" talk? Just makes me laugh, not because I am a T.L. fan in any way (as my post history will VERY clearly show, lol), or even because I don't get it, but just the silly and obvious hypocrisy of it all. Wilson seems to be on a upward trajectory, and he's won both his starts. That is a very, very good thing. The game vs. Green Bay will be a legitimate test, and I look forward to seeing how he does there. I continue to hope he becomes what he biggest supporters here think he is, because that is what's best for the Jets and for our chances of winning a Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, DonCorleone said: Hey don't get me wrong, I agree with all you said. However, I am a Jets fan so to me, everything comes with a "What if"... Oh yeah, and the if you’re a Jet fan for a long time (I am), that thinking actually carries over into every day life haha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 53 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: Oh yeah, and the if you’re a Jet fan for a long time (I am), that thinking actually carries over into every day life haha. Amen to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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