Post here if you despise Woody Johnson

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

This is like when people say that woody has nothing to do with j&j

It's semantics. That uncle will always be the founder of Jet blue and woody will always be the grandson of the dude who invented band aids 

No, it’s pretty simple.  
He first left his CEO  position and then left as a board member.  A full year before Jet Blue entered a sponsorship agreement with the Jets.
He has nothing to do with Jet Blue.  Makes no decisions for Jet Blue, can’t force the Jets to do a thing they don’t want to do.  By threatening to pull sponsorship that he never signed up for.   Just as Woody has nothing to do with J & J.  

How hard is all of this to understand?

[Jet Nut]

52 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Trey Lance still has unrealized potential though 

We know what we have in Zach. 

Without getting into the political stuff I'm as far from being a q person as can be but I am conservative in football matters like taking the field goal on 4th down 

Remember that the NFL is technically not a sport it's entertainment and the Supreme Court ruled that it need not be fair or impartial 

It's like watching the wwe it's not a conspiracy it's a script 

It’s nothing like watching WWE. 
Nor is it not a sport.

You’re going to compare a sport where the result is not predetermined to the WWE, which is scripted and predetermined.  

[talisaynon]

I do.

This is ******* Tebow all over again. I dont for one second believe that Rex and Tennanbaum were the brainchild behind that moronic move. That was them covering for this clueless loser Woody no matter HOW MANY ARTICLES are written about how it was Tennanbaum and Woody.

Woody loves highly leveraging the team and he finally has another opportunity -- The jets are good, the defense is good, it's time to get social media clout by bringing attention to the Jets circus.

Scumbag. I hate him and wish he'd fire himself into the sun

[bitonti]

49 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

No, it’s pretty simple.  

He has nothing to do with Jet Blue

The founder of jetblue does not need to sit on the board to influence the company. He is the company. It's his identity. 

What's even simpler is that the owner of the jets and David neeleman are peers / friends 

 

42 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

It’s nothing like watching WWE. 

The end of the cinci / KC game begs to differ 

It's not totally scripted but the prime time /playoff games the league can and does put their thumb on the scale 

Arian foster joked about the script this week. Trevor Lawrence said he knew they'd come back after 4 ints. 

It's all about the marketing. They can talk about Andy Reid vs Philly, kelce vs kelce and the first time two African American qb in the SB 

SF / Cincinnati did not have as compelling story lines it's not personal. 

That being said a team can overcome the script with ridiculous football plays. Like the times Tom Brady loses. It's not exactly like the WWE. That was an exaggeration. But it gets more like it every year 

The Jets want to keep Zach Wilson's family happy that's just smart business 

Why else is Zach even on the roster? He's a terrible player, and become a locker room cancer. 

[jgb]

On 2/1/2023 at 1:14 AM, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

Now that is truly disturbing 

[Jet Nut]

37 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The founder of jetblue does not need to sit on the board to influence the company. He is the company. It's his identity. 

What's even simpler is that the owner of the jets and David neeleman are peers / friends 

 

The end of the cinci / KC game begs to differ 

It's not totally scripted but the prime time /playoff games the league can and does put their thumb on the scale 

Arian foster joked about the script this week. Trevor Lawrence said he knew they'd come back after 4 ints. 

It's all about the marketing. They can talk about Andy Reid vs Philly, kelce vs kelce and the first time two African American qb in the SB 

SF / Cincinnati did not have as compelling story lines it's not personal. 

That being said a team can overcome the script with ridiculous football plays. Like the times Tom Brady loses. It's not exactly like the WWE. That was an exaggeration. But it gets more like it every year 

The Jets want to keep Zach Wilson's family happy that's just smart business 

Why else is Zach even on the roster? He's a terrible player, and become a locker room cancer. 

You sound pretty foolish now.  
Ex founders are going to threaten to pull advertising dollars, yeah, ok.  He’s the identity.  That’s the business world in the 2000’s

And yeah, every loser knows that footballs fixed.  

[Flea Flicking Frank]

On 1/31/2023 at 2:01 PM, kevinc855 said:

Never understood the "Woody hate" thing. Always seemed to me like an easy scapegoat during this 12 year playoff draught. Has Woody been perfect? No. Has Woody been a terrible owner? I would also argue no. 

Lets take an unbiased look at his record. 

1) Buys the Jets in January of 2000.

2) In his first 3 years as owner, Jets do not have a losing record. Brings in Herm Edwards after first season as GM after stop gap coach Al Groh is let go by Johnson.

3) Herm Edwards teams make playoffs 3 out of 5 seasons (imagine that Jet fans) with two double digit win seasons.

4) After a bad 4-12 5th year at the helm, brings in Mangini, a much talked about hire at the time. Makes playoffs first year, bad second season, actually a winning record 9-7 in his 3rd year but no playoffs, let go.

5) Johnson hires Rex Ryan! Takes team to AFC Championship twice! Only 2 losing seasons in 6 seasons at helm. Makes right call and lets go of Rex after 6 seasons. 

6) Hired Todd Bowles, a MUCH praised hire in 2015, team goes 10-6 and then lets him fledge around for 3 more seasons.

7) Takes UK ambassadrship and Chris Johnson hires Gase. 

8. Brother hires Saleh. Since his return it has looked like Joe Douglas still makes football decisions and coach seems to have alot of flexibility, even so much as to bench the number 2 pick in season 2. 

All that aside, seems to pay contacts when asked, built a state of the art facility in Florham Park and has no crazy scandals (see Commanders) etc to speak of. 

What do you mean by meddling? Like an owner who doesnt have any interest in the team? Thats not going to happen. He owns the ****ign team. Does he do press conferences every game like JJ in Dallas or a physocpath like the guy in Carolina or DC? What meddling? 

How is this guy such a bad owner. Seems like lazy analysis to me. 

 

This reads like this:

 

I don't understand why OJ is considered a bad guy

1) He got married to a woman

2) the glove didnt fit

3) He plays a lot of golf

What am I missing?

[jgb]

27 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You sound pretty foolish now.  
Ex founders are going to threaten to pull advertising dollars, yeah, ok.  He’s the identity.  That’s the business world in the 2000’s

And yeah, every loser knows that footballs fixed.  

I’d like to hear about this football is fixed theory.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

I’d like to hear about this football is fixed theory.

Anyone who can actually prove should get up and tell us

[bitonti]

18 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

You sound pretty foolish now.  
Ex founders are going to threaten to pull advertising dollars, yeah, ok.  He’s the identity.  That’s the business world in the 2000’s

And yeah, every loser knows that footballs fixed.  

who do you think puts those people on the board? The Founder

when Neeleman needs money for his new airline who bankrolls them? guys on the old board

these boards are full of sycophants and yes men all loyal to the old guard 

because that's who put them there  

[undertow]

 

19 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

This reads like this:

 

I don't understand why OJ is considered a bad guy

1) He got married to a woman

2) the glove didnt fit

3) He plays a lot of golf

What am I missing?

[undertow]

19 hours ago, jgb said:

I’d like to hear about this football is fixed theory.

I mean if they do tip the balance in these games it wouldn't be complicted and it would be easy to do just watch a Tim Donaghy doc or read an article. 

[batman10023]

On 2/2/2023 at 11:37 AM, Leftylarry said:

But even that was a case where a more powerful type owner could have persevered , Woody is not a significant personality , never was , even as a young man when people I know knew him in school.

Just a guy, not a bigger than life personality , Dolan and Silver could go up against him, against the Mayor and Governor who all thought a stadium there made huge sense because Woody was a weak personality , it would have been built with a Steve Cohen, a George Steinbrenner or before he got into politics, a Trump type personality/ owner also.

Think about it, a corrupt politician representing the owner of Madison SQ Garden and a very few of the usual suspects against all real estate development were able to defeat the Mayor, Governor and really the entire State who sufffered  when the Jets and hundreds upon hundreds of millions of tax dollars went  to New Jersey .

Woody was the weak link and never organized a powerful campaign, never enlisted the Media or fans of the team, just was ineffective, as usual.

while I personally would have loved a west side stadium - can you imagine walking to a football game, would have been amazing.

two points however,  the PSLs would have cost at least 50% more and probably double.   Queue up the complaints that the little guy and long time seasonholder was getting screwed by the rich and powerful.

the more important point, you just ignore is the "tax dollars" to NJ.  the economic impact of the redeveloped Hudson Yards is significantly higher than a stadium.  why do you not point that out in your analysis?

 

[Dcat]

22 hours ago, talisaynon said:

I do.

This is ******* Tebow all over again. I dont for one second believe that Rex and Tennanbaum were the brainchild behind that moronic move. That was them covering for this clueless loser Woody no matter HOW MANY ARTICLES are written about how it was Tennanbaum and Woody.

Woody loves highly leveraging the team and he finally has another opportunity -- The jets are good, the defense is good, it's time to get social media clout by bringing attention to the Jets circus.

Scumbag. I hate him and wish he'd fire himself into the sun

Of course Tebow was all Woody.  Woody is such a jackass.  Tannenbaum took the high road and blame for it, but it takes a unique brain to even remotely think Tebow was a good choice.  Woody even paid off Sanchez by telling Tanny to give him an absurd extension.  The owner of the Jets is just special.  

[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, bitonti said:

who do you think puts those people on the board? The Founder

when Neeleman needs money for his new airline who bankrolls them? guys on the old board

these boards are full of sycophants and yes men all loyal to the old guard 

because that's who put them there  

The show continues.

The founder of a company doesn’t put people on their board after he’s gone.  15 years no less
You know nothing here, you’re just spitting words out.  
The second sentence is beyond a response.  JetBlue is going to bankroll Neelemans next airline?  So they can compete with JetBlue on their dime.

 

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

The show continues.

The founder of a company doesn’t put people on their board after he’s gone.  
You know nothing here, you’re just spitting words out.  
The second sentence is beyond a response.  JetBlue is going to bankroll Neelemans next airline?  So they can compete with JetBlue on their dime.

 

That's not an opinion literally theres a dude on the jetblue board who bankrolls the new airline 

I've been presenting facts this whole time you're playing word games 

[batman10023]

On 2/2/2023 at 1:20 PM, bitonti said:

This is like when people say that woody has nothing to do with j&j

It's semantics. That uncle will always be the founder of Jet blue and woody will always be the grandson of the dude who invented band aids 

woody isn't consulted or have any input into J&J business decisions, just like the uncle doesn't have any input on a tiny sponsorship deal on a company he left a decade earlier.

but remember, you are the same guy who believes that the NFL is rigged and more like WWE.  

[nyjets1969]

Woody meddles that's why this team hasn't hired a football guy why Cowher, Pederson, Peyton, Andy Reid were never considered and why Parcells and Belichick ran out out NY when he bought the team. Woody wants to involved in the decision making when he has no clue. That's why you keep seeing rookie GMs and Coaches because Woody wants say from the coaching staff to personel while he might not make every decision he does make some. Any coach with a reputation will never work with Woody breathing in his ear.

 

 

 

[batman10023]

On 2/1/2023 at 9:43 AM, bitonti said:

That's what corporations call synergy 

They don't always plan it in advance sometimes it just happens 

The bottom line is that not every team has an official airline partner. The Jets have to tread lightly 

 

literally a 30 second google search can make you look less dumb.

https://adage.com/article/news/nfl-signs-southwest-airline-sponsorship/21868

every team for the most part has an official sponsor.

 

[Jet Nut]

30 minutes ago, bitonti said:

That's not an opinion literally theres a dude on the jetblue board who bankrolls the new airline 

I've been presenting facts this whole time you're playing word games 

You’ve been making yourself look more and more clueless with each post

Who cares what someone on the the JetBlue board does?  We’re not talking about some dude, you’re talking about someone who left the company 15 years ago and you’re claiming makes decisions about the daily running of the company and how they spend their money.  
You need to stop, you’re just acting silly and stubborn 

[rex-n-effect]

33 minutes ago, bitonti said:

That's not an opinion literally theres a dude on the jetblue board who bankrolls the new airline 

I've been presenting facts this whole time you're playing word games 

You're not presenting facts. You're just repeating a conspiracy theory. 

[batman10023]

On 2/2/2023 at 3:35 PM, bitonti said:

The founder of jetblue does not need to sit on the board to influence the company. He is the company. It's his identity. 

What's even simpler is that the owner of the jets and David neeleman are peers / friends 

 

The end of the cinci / KC game begs to differ 

It's not totally scripted but the prime time /playoff games the league can and does put their thumb on the scale 

Arian foster joked about the script this week. Trevor Lawrence said he knew they'd come back after 4 ints. 

It's all about the marketing. They can talk about Andy Reid vs Philly, kelce vs kelce and the first time two African American qb in the SB 

SF / Cincinnati did not have as compelling story lines it's not personal. 

That being said a team can overcome the script with ridiculous football plays. Like the times Tom Brady loses. It's not exactly like the WWE. That was an exaggeration. But it gets more like it every year 

The Jets want to keep Zach Wilson's family happy that's just smart business 

Why else is Zach even on the roster? He's a terrible player, and become a locker room cancer. 

so Joe D and coach are going to blow up their careers over a QB that was only drafted due to a tiny sponsorship?  wouldn't they tell everyone the day they got fired?

when should they have gotten rid of Zach?  he's got a guaranteed salary.  you want him to get cut in the middle of the season?  

they basically told him to go on the beach and deactivated him.  his family is pissed about the Jets.  

not sure i'd be taking business advice from you.    

this has to be an act like SAR.  nobody can be this dumb.

[batman10023]

7 hours ago, bitonti said:

who do you think puts those people on the board? The Founder

when Neeleman needs money for his new airline who bankrolls them? guys on the old board

these boards are full of sycophants and yes men all loyal to the old guard 

because that's who put them there  

wrong again.  google can be very valuable.  learn to use it.

Mr. Neeleman, an American born in Brazil while his father was a journalist here, founded Azul in 2008. The airline has received funding from the private equity firms TPG Growth, Weston Presidio, Bozano, Fidelity, Zweig-DiMenna and Peterson Partners.

 

[batman10023]

12 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You’ve been making yourself look more and more clueless with each post

Who cares what someone on the the JetBlue board does?  We’re not talking about some dude, you’re talking about someone who left the company 15 years ago and you’re claiming makes decisions about the daily running of the company and how they spend their money.  
You need to stop, you’re just acting silly and stubborn 

it's an act.  no rational person can think like this.  so it's his "shtick" like SAR "BMW and upper deck burbing/farting" shtick.  

[Jet Life]

5 hours ago, bitonti said:

That's not an opinion literally theres a dude on the jetblue board who bankrolls the new airline 

I've been presenting facts this whole time you're playing word games 

Surely there is an investment / business  board you can post your jet blue board of directors and ad dollar talk on where it would be relevant. In one breathe you say JD is a failure for drafting Wilson and another Woody hand picked Wilson for sponsorship money. Drop the act and give it a rest already 

[bitonti]

10 hours ago, Jet Life said:

Surely there is an investment / business  board you can post your jet blue board of directors and ad dollar talk on where it would be relevant. In one breathe you say JD is a failure for drafting Wilson and another Woody hand picked Wilson for sponsorship money. Drop the act and give it a rest already 

No you guys are right it's just a coincidence 

There's no real explanation for the Jets taking a 3rd Rd player at 2 overall and keeping him on the roster forever 

Silly me must all just be an honest mistake 

 

 

 

[bitonti]

15 hours ago, batman10023 said:

wrong again.  google can be very valuable.  learn to use it.

Mr. Neeleman, an American born in Brazil while his father was a journalist here, founded Azul in 2008. The airline has received funding from the private equity firms TPG Growth, Weston Presidio, Bozano, Fidelity, Zweig-DiMenna and Peterson Partners.

 

Yeah dude at least one of those is a company owned by someone on the jet blue board 

[bitonti]

On 2/2/2023 at 2:46 PM, Jet Nut said:

No, it’s pretty simple.  
He first left his CEO  position and then left as a board member.  A full year before Jet Blue entered a sponsorship agreement with the Jets.
He has nothing to do with Jet Blue.  Makes no decisions for Jet Blue, can’t force the Jets to do a thing they don’t want to do.  By threatening to pull sponsorship that he never signed up for.   Just as Woody has nothing to do with J & J.  

How hard is all of this to understand?

before Zach's first game, his uncle chartered a JetBlue airplane from Provo to Charlottle, so "fans" could watch Zach lose to Sam Darnold

According to you, he has nothing to do with Jet Blue 

Did he pay retail for 200 seats

Quote

1. Going to Carolina: Thanks to his airline-mogul uncle, Jets quarterback Zach Wilson will have a small cheering section when he makes his NFL debut on Sept. 12 in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Watch out, Carolina Panthers; the Cougars are coming.

JetBlue founder David Neeleman organized a charter flight to Charlotte from Salt Lake City, which will allow Wilson fans to attend Saturday night's BYU-Utah game in Provo and then make it to Bank of America Stadium for the Jets-Panthers opener at 1 p.m. ET. Neeleman, Zach's uncle on his mother's side, researched commercial options, determining there isn't a flight that can get to Charlotte in time for kickoff. He knows the industry -- he founded a few airlines -- so he arranged for a 200-passenger JetBlue A321 plane.

They're calling it "The Wilson Weekend," with seats going for $599 to $799 apiece. The offer, launched two weeks ago, includes a hotel room in Charlotte, where travelers can relax for a few hours before kickoff. Sorry, no game tickets included. The website is billing it as "a once-in-a-lifetime weekend event to celebrate your favorite quarterback!"

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/87064/zach-wilsons-uncle-books-charter-so-fans-can-attend-nephews-jets-debut

 

[batman10023]

38 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Yeah dude at least one of those is a company owned by someone on the jet blue board 

Stick to writing books 

[batman10023]

23 minutes ago, bitonti said:

before Zach's first game, his uncle chartered a JetBlue airplane from Provo to Charlottle, so "fans" could watch Zach lose to Sam Darnold

According to you, he has nothing to do with Jet Blue 

Did he pay retail for 200 seats

 

He make those people pay for the tickets fyi
 

Anyone can charter a plane.  
 

so when they deactivated Zach did woody have to ask for permission from Zach’s uncle?

you really should go find another team to root for.  How about the eagles ?  Same color also

[JoJoTownsell1]

On 2/2/2023 at 3:35 PM, bitonti said:

The founder of jetblue does not need to sit on the board to influence the company. He is the company. It's his identity. 

What's even simpler is that the owner of the jets and David neeleman are peers / friends 

 

The end of the cinci / KC game begs to differ 

It's not totally scripted but the prime time /playoff games the league can and does put their thumb on the scale 

Arian foster joked about the script this week. Trevor Lawrence said he knew they'd come back after 4 ints. 

It's all about the marketing. They can talk about Andy Reid vs Philly, kelce vs kelce and the first time two African American qb in the SB 

SF / Cincinnati did not have as compelling story lines it's not personal. 

That being said a team can overcome the script with ridiculous football plays. Like the times Tom Brady loses. It's not exactly like the WWE. That was an exaggeration. But it gets more like it every year 

The Jets want to keep Zach Wilson's family happy that's just smart business 

Why else is Zach even on the roster? He's a terrible player, and become a locker room cancer. 

Arian Foster wasn't joking about THE script, he was making fun of idiots that were dumb enough to actually  think there is a script..... the best part is that many of those idiots thought he was being serious.

It's just a mirror of society today where people aren't mentally capable of understanding that things don't always go their way, therefore it must be because of a conspiracy  

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

before Zach's first game, his uncle chartered a JetBlue airplane from Provo to Charlottle, so "fans" could watch Zach lose to Sam Darnold

According to you, he has nothing to do with Jet Blue 

Did he pay retail for 200 seats

 

Yeah, h4 still has contacts at JetBlue and they lent him a plane.  Oooo, you’re onto something, that translates into he’s left the company, left the board of directors and still is pulling strings.

Enough already, this is a dumb take and you’re wrong in every conspiracy, finance and business post you throw out there for ll to read

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

No you guys are right it's just a coincidence 

There's no real explanation for the Jets taking a 3rd Rd player at 2 overall and keeping him on the roster forever 

Silly me must all just be an honest mistake 

 

 

 

You’re onto rewriting history now.  

Silly isn’t the word to describe you and this fantasy take you’re riding to death.

 

 

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

No you guys are right it's just a coincidence 

There's no real explanation for the Jets taking a 3rd Rd player at 2 overall and keeping him on the roster forever 

Silly me must all just be an honest mistake 

Wasn't SF rumored to take him at #3 overall had we not taken him at #2?

[Beerfish]

He is not a great owner he is not a terrible owner.  He spends his money, he wants to win he just makes poor ownership decisions at times.  There are far worse owners out there in pro sports.