Cimini: Locker room is grumbling about Wilson, team is close to imploding

[Hal]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I thought that the light came on for him a bit when he was gifted a succession of clean pockets. One of his major failings is that he has no inherent sense of where the pass rush is coming from, so his pocket presence is always a chinese fire drill. Zach is historically pretty good when not pressured, and we saw why last night. When he can just hang out and throw it, it looks pretty. 

Has to be part of it.   But also when my internal clock was going off and I yelled at my TV “ Throw it” he was listening last night.   He had been ignoring me this season before this.  

[Hal]

Double 

[FactsOnly]

Lmfao how clueless is this guy?

[Larz]

Wait. It’s like a few people are disappointed Zach didn’t throw 3 picks and cause a meltdown?

[jetsons]

3 hours ago, Larz said:

Wait. It’s like a few people are disappointed Zach didn’t throw 3 picks and cause a meltdown?

Zach’s play last night didn’t fit their narrative.

[Hal]

The game thread everyone was loving it.   Peace and Harmony reigned.  In Unison the board united to call out the crooked Zebras.  
 

@Maxman

was then like “nuh Uh.  I did not make this place for group hugs” and pulled the plug.
 

 

 

[Barton]

He made some sweet throws but I still saw the same tendency to hold on to the ball way too long and get sacked. But At least he didn’t run back 20 yards this time. 

[TuscanyTile2]

Cimini: @The Crusher's gut is rumbling, stomach is close to imploding
 

[Fidelio Bitonti]

On 9/27/2023 at 8:30 AM, bitonti said:

Some People did expect it and those people were made fun of for being Debbie downers 

Some mentally ill poster even made a parody account @Fidelio Bitonti

I like that guy actually. Makes a lot of decent predictions

 

That’s me the face of mental illness

[bitonti]

5 hours ago, Fidelio Bitonti said:

That’s me the face of mental illness

Merry Xmas to you my friend 

[Maxman]

The locker room isn't imploding. CJ Mosley and Garett Wilson are the reasons why.

I can't even explain how proud I am of Garrett Wilson. He has every reason to be pissed off. He shows up, works hard and finds a way to product. Wide receivers seem to chirp often when the QB struggles and that hasn't happened here.

Same for the defense. They keep their frustration in-house and I think CJ is a big part of that.

[varjet]

36 minutes ago, Maxman said:

 

Same for the defense. They keep their frustration in-house and I think CJ is a big part of that.

CJ Moseley smart dude.  He knows what the Johnsons want.  He will make it very hard for them to touch his grossly excessive compensation 

[Maxman]

12 minutes ago, varjet said:

CJ Moseley smart dude.  He knows what the Johnsons want.  He will make it very hard for them to touch his grossly excessive compensation 

Macc made it hard for them.

I think I'm a negotiation is going to happen where he's going to bring the cap number down this year and take more guaranteed money in future years.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

25 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Macc made it hard for them.

I think I'm a negotiation is going to happen where he's going to bring the cap number down this year and take more guaranteed money in future years.

The contract Macc signed him to would be over after this season.

JD keeps tacking on more years and pushing the money.

 

EDIT: I forgot about the covid year he opted out to push everything back a year as well. But we could have gotten out the last 2 years with small dead cap hits. $3M this season and $1.5 next. Now due to JDs restructuring that has ballooned.

[Maxman]

3 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

The contract Macc signed him to would be over after this season.

JD keeps tacking on more years and pushing the money.

 

EDIT: I forgot about the covid year he opted out to push everything back a year as well 

Yeah I don't think JD touched the deal at all.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

4 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Yeah I don't think JD touched the deal at all.

He has. He restructured it and now CJ has bigger dead cap space hits if cut.

[Maxman]

30 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

He has. He restructured it and now CJ has bigger dead cap space hits if cut.

Oh well I guess that was a good call since he had a pro bowl year they won't be cutting him.

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Oh well I guess that was a good call since he had a pro bowl year they won't be cutting him.

@Sperm Edwards get him

[T0mShane]

Since you guys are bumping this thread, I thought it was wild that Saleh’s big takeaway from this season was “We should have never trusted Zach Wilson” and his takeaway from the last three years was “we never should have drafted Zach Wilson.”

 

[Augustiniak]

58 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Since you guys are bumping this thread, I thought it was wild that Saleh’s big takeaway from this season was “We should have never trusted Zach Wilson” and his takeaway from the last three years was “we never should have drafted Zach Wilson.”

 

He’s not wrong.  And i hope he and douglas have good spirited discussions about what types of qbs to bring in and what qualities / attributes make a successful qb.  

[T0mShane]

15 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

He’s not wrong.  And i hope he and douglas have good spirited discussions about what types of qbs to bring in and what qualities / attributes make a successful qb.  

One wonders what thoughts were going through Saleh’s head when he was watching Brissett—whom the Jets reportedly inquired about—was marching up and down the field on his defense.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, T0mShane said:

One wonders what thoughts were going through Saleh’s head when he was watching Brissett—whom the Jets reportedly inquired about—was marching up and down the field on his defense.

Very mixed feelings about saleh, b/c he’s a one dimensional coach not suited to be a hc, yet, he clearly seems to have knows immediately that wilson was going to submarine his regime.  Plus, defensive minded coaches like him (and Rex and bowles and herm) like vanilla qbs like chad, who keep turnovers down, play the field positional game and win with smart play (assuming your defense doesn’t repeatedly commit inane personal fouls) and defense and running the ball.  So for saleh, having a guy like brissett is much more appealing.  Harder to win a superbowl but easier to have a .500 or winning record.  This sentence is going to sound absurd, but besides qb and LT, douglas has done a good job of adding talent to the roster.  I think guys like ruckert and izzy would contribute under normal OCs, and also with competent qb play, some of the younger wrs would also look decent.  But because so much of the nfl is having competent tackles and qbs, if your gm can’t figure this out, it really doesn’t matter if you add talent to other units b/c it doesn’t translate to wins.  

If they approached the offseason very simply that the 2 goals are to fix the OL and qb, they’d have a better shot of competing.  Flipping a guy like huff for a 2nd rounder would allow them to draft a starting guard, or even crazier, try to get a qb in here to backup rodgers.  If mccarthy makes it to the late first round or 2nd round i’d deal next year’s picks to bring him in.  He’d spell rodgers when he inevitably gets hurt and the jets would have a legit qb2 option who could make the offense dynamic as he’s everything we thought wilson could be

[K_O_Brien]

Saleh is big on excuses, being reactive. and blaming external factors for his failings. Typical loser mentality. 

[hawk]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Since you guys are bumping this thread, I thought it was wild that Saleh’s big takeaway from this season was “We should have never trusted Zach Wilson” and his takeaway from the last three years was “we never should have drafted Zach Wilson.”

 

Saleh starting to reference what everyone else does bothers me.  I have heard a small sample of him doing it and all it screams to me is, Saleh is feeling some heat.

[Augustiniak]

4 minutes ago, hawk said:

Saleh starting to reference what everyone else does bothers me.  I have heard a small sample of him doing it and all it screams to me is, Saleh is feeling some heat.

Saleh is trying to show the nfl that he can win games if he has anything approaching competence at qb.  It’s reasonable given he’s been saddled with wilson.  

[JetPotato]

48 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

He’s not wrong.  And i hope he and douglas have good spirited discussions about what types of qbs to bring in and what qualities / attributes make a successful qb.  

What's the point of a good spirited discussion if neither one has a single clue on the topic?

What should be happening is competent offensive minds should be brought in at any cost. But that won't, and we'll end up with the wrong guy. Again.

[JetPotato]

8 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Saleh is trying to show the nfl that he can win games if he has anything approaching competence at qb.  It’s reasonable given he’s been saddled with wilson.  

Because he knows already that he'll be a free agent after 2024. Even Robert Saleh knows Robert Saleh is done, but not Woody.

[Augustiniak]

6 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

What's the point of a good spirited discussion if neither one has a single clue on the topic?

What should be happening is competent offensive minds should be brought in at any cost. But that won't, and we'll end up with the wrong guy. Again.

I agree that bringing in someone who has spent time in the nfl on offense would help immensely.  When does that happen?  Our best shot there was Adam gase. 

[Augustiniak]

5 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Because he knows already that he'll be a free agent after 2024. Even Robert Saleh knows Robert Saleh is done, but not Woody.

Totally agree.  Saleh is already preparing his resume, assuming rodgers won’t stay healthy and (hopefully) lobbying for competent backups. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Saleh is a trash man with nothing to ever offer except more excuses

Look around the league in Minnesota, Cleveland, etc. with QBs going down due to injury and still managing to fight and claw and stay relevant 

It’s your freaking job to think about “worst-case scenarios” (you couldn’t imagine a 40y old QB who spent his offseason in darkness caves contemplating retirement might get injured?) and to find solutions

Now that it’s been leaked they are trading ZW, he conveniently starts throwing the kid under the bus when he’s acted at the podium like ZW’s biggest advocate for 3 years….

What a self-serving fraud…

It’s like at least be consistent, bro

[FidelioJet]

19 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Saleh is trying to show the nfl that he can win games if he has anything approaching competence at qb.  It’s reasonable given he’s been saddled with wilson.  

Wonder what his excuse is going to be next year when he misses the playoffs again with Rodgers.

[Larz]

Twas a brand new day when the locker room imploded or something 

[Pennington]

Zach could have been developed if this team didn't have all morons as offensive coaches. There is a better chance of him finding success elsewhere than Saleh ever winning here.

Also its about time that @T0mShaneand others that are obsessed with Wilson just come out of the closet and admit that they are secretly in love with him. 

[TuscanyTile2]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

One wonders what thoughts were going through Saleh’s head when he was watching Brissett—whom the Jets reportedly inquired about—was marching up and down the field on his defense.

Undoubtedly Saleh was thinking "my defense embarrassed Sam Howell".

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Saleh is a trash man with nothing to ever offer except more excuses

Look around the league in Minnesota, Cleveland, etc. with QBs going down due to injury and still managing to fight and claw and stay relevant 

It’s your freaking job to think about “worst-case scenarios” (you couldn’t imagine a 40y old QB who spent his offseason in darkness caves contemplating retirement might get injured?) and to find solutions

Now that it’s been leaked they are trading ZW, he conveniently starts throwing the kid under the bus when he’s acted at the podium like ZW’s biggest advocate for 3 years….

What a self-serving fraud…

It’s like at least be consistent, bro

Saleh is an absolutely pathetic leader.  He preaches Navy Seals (aka "extreme ownership") but he's all about making excuses