Popular Post JohnnyLV Posted October 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2023 I have been saying forever that at least 50% of the issues with Zach was the offensive philosophy and play calling. Zach is good at a wide open offense, wide splits, attacking the edge, playing off of motion RPO, rolling out and just letting it fly For 25 games Zach has been forced into a RUN RUN PASS nightmare. Tight splits, mesh, attacking the middle of the field, static play design, running on 80% of first downs. All to "protect him" and not lose the game Hackett and Zach and others went to Saleh will a game plan around what Zach is good at and it was approved. Zach had his best game ever. Outplayed Mahomes. But it was against the Chiefs. Will Saleh force the offense back into RUN RUN PASS again or will he let Zach play. Zach is FAVRE. He is an emotional QB that feeds off of momentum and confidence. He is not a ball control game manager. It really comes down to whether or nor Saleh (who is ultra stubborn) will let the offense be aggessive especially on first down going forward. Unfortunately I expect Turtle tight split offense again this weekend and tons of 3 and outs. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said: Zach is FAVRE. He is an emotional QB that feeds off of momentum and confidence. He is not a ball control game manager. LOL. You really don't know how good Favre was in his second year when he got his first start. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightattendant Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said: I have been saying forever that at least 50% of the issues with Zach was the offensive philosophy and play calling. Zach is good at a wide open offense, wide splits, attacking the edge, playing off of motion RPO, rolling out and just letting it fly For 25 games Zach has been forced into a RUN RUN PASS nightmare. Tight splits, mesh, attacking the middle of the field, static play design, running on 80% of first downs. All to "protect him" and not lose the game Hackett and Zach and others went to Saleh will a game plan around what Zach is good at and it was approved. Zach had his best game ever. Outplayed Mahomes. But it was against the Chiefs. Will Saleh force the offense back into RUN RUN PASS again or will he let Zach play. Zach is FAVRE. He is an emotional QB that feeds off of momentum and confidence. He is not a ball control game manager. It really comes down to whether or nor Saleh (who is ultra stubborn) will let the offense be aggessive especially on first down going forward. Unfortunately I expect Turtle tight split offense again this weekend and tons of 3 and outs. Does Saleh call plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt39 Posted October 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2023 Zach just had the first good game of his career. Let’s see him do it again against the worst defense in football. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, Biggs said: LOL. You really don't know how good Favre was in his second year when he got his first start. I do but have you ever seen videos on how Holmgren had to handle him? Not saying Zach is as good as Favre just that he is the same personality type and needs to be handled in a similar way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said: I have been saying forever that at least 50% of the issues with Zach was the offensive philosophy and play calling. We know, we've all been laughing at you. 22 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said: Zach is good at a wide open offense, wide splits, attacking the edge, playing off of motion RPO, rolling out and just letting it fly What evidence is there to suggest any of this is true? They only treat Zach like a game manager because every attempt to let him do more has ended with turnovers that sink the team. They didn't pick him 2nd overall to be a game manager. He has flopped in any other role and they think playing conservative on offense gives them the best chance to win -- i.e. like the Bills game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Zach just had the first good game* of his career *Good quarter and a half 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 It’s all on Zach and Hack. Not Saleh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, Flightattendant said: Does Saleh call plays? No but he sets the game plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said: I do but have you ever seen videos on how Holmgren had to handle him? Not saying Zach is as good as Favre just that he is the same personality type and needs to be handled in a similar way. Favre was a party animal, he didn't study, he drank heavily and he was supremely confident. He had the exact opposite personality as Zach. Zach is a choir boy, who works hard and is a teachers pet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Biggs said: Favre was a party animal, he didn't study, he drank heavily and he was supremely confident. He had the exact opposite personality as Zach. Zach is a choir boy, who works hard and is a teachers pet. So different, yet I want to strangle them both! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, #27TheDominator said: So different, yet I want to strangle them both! Favre was like Namath. Namath did Hot movie Stars in Manhattan, Favre did housewives of Springfield, MO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 The playcalling on offense has been conservative and predictable up to last week. I think Rodgers has Hackett's and Saleh's ears on this and encouraged them to play up to ZW's strengths and open up the playbook more last week. Denver is such a bad team that this is a good opportunity for ZW and the coaches to build confidence moving forward. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 21 hours ago, JohnnyLV said: I have been saying forever that at least 50% of the issues with Zach was the offensive philosophy and play calling. Zach is good at a wide open offense, wide splits, attacking the edge, playing off of motion RPO, rolling out and just letting it fly For 25 games Zach has been forced into a RUN RUN PASS nightmare. Tight splits, mesh, attacking the middle of the field, static play design, running on 80% of first downs. All to "protect him" and not lose the game Hackett and Zach and others went to Saleh will a game plan around what Zach is good at and it was approved. Zach had his best game ever. Outplayed Mahomes. But it was against the Chiefs. Will Saleh force the offense back into RUN RUN PASS again or will he let Zach play. Zach is FAVRE. He is an emotional QB that feeds off of momentum and confidence. He is not a ball control game manager. It really comes down to whether or nor Saleh (who is ultra stubborn) will let the offense be aggessive especially on first down going forward. Unfortunately I expect Turtle tight split offense again this weekend and tons of 3 and outs. mostly agree. but that's what happens when they hired a newbie coach who didn't know much about the offense. and this season, i think it has taken all this time for zach and hackett to get on the same page. maybe the passing on first down is an illusion and zach will regress but there's also every reason that the whole team was invigorated by what the offense did. now what they have to do is start playing with a lead. sometimes front running is harder than coming up from the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 22 hours ago, Biggs said: Favre was a party animal, he didn't study, he drank heavily and he was supremely confident. He had the exact opposite personality as Zach. Zach is a choir boy, who works hard and is a teachers pet. Zach hunts MILFs, Zach doesn’t sleep (similar to Chuck Norris.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I think there is something to the OP's point about Saleh. How many games has the team come out of the gate unprepared, disinterested, and not ready to compete in a football game on his watch? Dallas week 2 they sort of quit in the 2H. Denver 2 years ago they got shut out 23-0 or 26-0 I remember. Jax last year among others. Saleh is 1-10 in the last 11 or some crazy stat like that. While I agree the down-by-down play calling is Hackett's problem, Saleh is the HC and has to approve any change in offensive philosophy &/or operation. I am only hoping they do not read the press clippings about how they outplayed KC, think they are better than they actually are. I'll take 24-21, 17-10, or whatever the score winds up being - just get a W. Scariest thing for me is the thought that this is a typical situation where the SOJ go out there and get embarrassed. Hoping this is not the SOJ and we come out healthy and with a W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 23 hours ago, JohnnyLV said: I have been saying forever that at least 50% of the issues with Zach was the offensive philosophy and play calling. Zach is good at a wide open offense, wide splits, attacking the edge, playing off of motion RPO, rolling out and just letting it fly For 25 games Zach has been forced into a RUN RUN PASS nightmare. Tight splits, mesh, attacking the middle of the field, static play design, running on 80% of first downs. All to "protect him" and not lose the game Hackett and Zach and others went to Saleh will a game plan around what Zach is good at and it was approved. Zach had his best game ever. Outplayed Mahomes. But it was against the Chiefs. Will Saleh force the offense back into RUN RUN PASS again or will he let Zach play. Zach is FAVRE. He is an emotional QB that feeds off of momentum and confidence. He is not a ball control game manager. It really comes down to whether or nor Saleh (who is ultra stubborn) will let the offense be aggessive especially on first down going forward. Unfortunately I expect Turtle tight split offense again this weekend and tons of 3 and outs. Saleh is a good DC, CEO and cheerleader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 It would be nice to execute a scoring drive in the 1st quarter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 23 hours ago, JohnnyLV said: I have been saying forever that at least 50% of the issues with Zach was the offensive philosophy and play calling. Zach is good at a wide open offense, wide splits, attacking the edge, playing off of motion RPO, rolling out and just letting it fly For 25 games Zach has been forced into a RUN RUN PASS nightmare. Tight splits, mesh, attacking the middle of the field, static play design, running on 80% of first downs. All to "protect him" and not lose the game Hackett and Zach and others went to Saleh will a game plan around what Zach is good at and it was approved. Zach had his best game ever. Outplayed Mahomes. But it was against the Chiefs. Will Saleh force the offense back into RUN RUN PASS again or will he let Zach play. Zach is FAVRE. He is an emotional QB that feeds off of momentum and confidence. He is not a ball control game manager. It really comes down to whether or nor Saleh (who is ultra stubborn) will let the offense be aggessive especially on first down going forward. Unfortunately I expect Turtle tight split offense again this weekend and tons of 3 and outs. He loses his job then since playing conservative on O too much with any D is not the way of the NFL these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 this idea that Zach is a gunslinger who needs to chuck it all over the field is fake news. Zach does not see the field well. He needs a strong gameplan with easy progressions and reads. The ‘wide-open’ offense ends with picks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 23 hours ago, Flightattendant said: Does Saleh call plays? He’s the HC. If he’s not happy with the play calling he should be able to make changes and call the plays if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 23 hours ago, Flightattendant said: Does Saleh call plays? He’s the HC. He’s responsible for the play calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 4:43 PM, Flightattendant said: Does Saleh call plays? he controls the entire game strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightattendant Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 45 minutes ago, Vader said: he controls the entire game strategy. 1 hour ago, Biggs said: He’s the HC. He’s responsible for the play calling. 1 hour ago, Biggs said: He’s the HC. He’s responsible for the play calling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 1:28 PM, JohnnyLV said: Zach is FAVRE. He is an emotional QB that feeds off of momentum and confidence. He is not a ball control game manager. Good grief the Wilson fanboy way of saying Zach throws a lot of INTs Could have just used the cliche “gunslinger” but had to throw in the HOF QB reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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