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Now that Bellichick has reminded everyone he is a bigger fraud than Milli Vanilli without Brady its safe to say McDaniels will be the last one to be plucked off the dopey Belichick tree.
Brady was in Milli Vanilli?

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From SI:

“And all of that led to Davis firing McDaniels and Zielger late Tuesday afternoon. The staff got a text from McDaniels’s chief of staff, Tom Jones, around 7 p.m. PT, and McDaniels delivered the news to his coaches shortly thereafter.”


 

chief of staff for a HC? That’s a thing? 

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17 hours ago, Pac said:

McDaniels is one of the most overrated coaches of all time.  He's been highly sought after for over a decade but has failed miserably whenever his QB wasn't Brady.  To be able to pull the sht he did with the Broncos and Colts and still be a top candidate was baffling. 

 

14 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

I don't know how anybody would hire him after abject failure in Denver and the sh*t he pulled with Indy.  Imagine that little scumbag telling you to wait for the right opportunity and you pick. . .  the Raiders?  WTF?  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

You gotta understand NFL owners and GMs for the most part aren’t smarter than the average fan.  
 

What has Josh McDaniels ever done to earn not one but 2 head coaching opportunities and a net worth of $50-60 million over his career?  He got coffee for Tom Brady.  Wow.  
 

Look at what we did with Adam Gase.  A nincompoop arrogant a-hole who got Peyton Manning coffee in Denver.  Chris Johnson literally made a speech about how Gase was this brilliant young mind who was reinventing football 

 

No one learned from the Mangini disaster 15 years ago.  These Belichick guys aren’t bringing Tom Brady for them.  They’re abrasive and inept and they don’t have the greatest qb ever doing everything for them.

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4 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

 

You gotta understand NFL owners and GMs for the most part aren’t smarter than the average fan.  
 

What has Josh McDaniels ever done to earn not one but 2 head coaching opportunities and a net worth of $50-60 million over his career?  He got coffee for Tom Brady.  Wow.  
 

Look at what we did with Adam Gase.  A nincompoop arrogant a-hole who got Peyton Manning coffee in Denver.  Chris Johnson literally made a speech about how Gase was this brilliant young mind who was reinventing football 

 

No one learned from the Mangini disaster 15 years ago.  These Belichick guys aren’t bringing Tom Brady for them.  They’re abrasive and inept and they don’t have the greatest qb ever doing everything for them.

Plenty of arrogant a-holes have "special" abilities.  I actually think that Gase and McDaniel might fall somewhere in that line.  The issue is that being a head coach isn't just an x and o thing.  They can't deal with people.  Belichick has plenty of that, but has found a way.  You need to connect to the players and make them think you know something that will help them.  Saleh seems to have that for whatever it is worth.  It might be the only thing about him that I like. 

Gase was able to script us to success at the start of most games.  

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This was @Raideraholic's most recent post, on Oct 30:

 

On 10/30/2023 at 11:44 PM, Raideraholic said:

Jimmy g is trash and and Mcdummy keeps playing him.    If he can’t see Jimmy G is done then you have no business being a headcoach in this league.      What a sh*t show .

 

Kind of amazing to think that'll be back here in June proclaiming the Raiders as SB contenders all over again.

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9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

This was @Raideraholic's most recent post, on Oct 30:

 

 

Kind of amazing to think that'll be back here in June proclaiming the Raiders as SB contenders all over again.

You would have thought they had a roster full of Pro Bowlers.  Pretty sure he was hyping Jimmy up big time before the year too.  That changed pretty quickly.  

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2 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

You would have thought they had a roster full of Pro Bowlers.  Pretty sure he was hyping Jimmy up big time before the year too.  That changed pretty quickly.  

He was the right guy to run McDaniels' system, per RH.  But he hedged by saying that if Jimmy G didn't work out and/or got hurt, Aidan O'Connell is headed for future stardom, too.

 

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1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

Plenty of arrogant a-holes have "special" abilities.  I actually think that Gase and McDaniel might fall somewhere in that line.  The issue is that being a head coach isn't just an x and o thing.  They can't deal with people.  Belichick has plenty of that, but has found a way.  You need to connect to the players and make them think you know something that will help them.  Saleh seems to have that for whatever it is worth.  It might be the only thing about him that I like. 

Gase was able to script us to success at the start of most games.  

Gase was trash here.  McDaniels with crazy eyes

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20 hours ago, jamesr said:

Raiders were just getting a head start on the Jets game ... Garoppolo wouldn't have survived the first quarter anyway, so they've benched him for his own protection.

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They don't want his injury guarantees to kick in.

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On 11/2/2023 at 12:54 AM, Rich Thornburgh said:

No one learned from the Mangini disaster 15 years ago.

I agree with this train of thought, but kind of see Mangini as the exception, if there was one, to the rule.

That season came down to Favre's shoulder injury.

That team played some of the best football we've seen in recent memory:

the 6 TD game Favre had vs Arizona.

Favre went on to have a career year in Minnesota after they stupidly drafted Sancho.  Favre immediately asked for his release.

Rex inherited a good roster from Mangini that was unfortunately missing a QB and EDGE.

Interesting note:  Daboll was Favre's QB coach on that '08 Mangini squad

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