bitonti Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 13 hours ago, Maxman said: That contract extension is going to go down as one of the worst ever. If his year is done to touchdowns and six interceptions for 45 million. Ouch. The Daniel Jones contract is better than trading 2 seconds and paying Aaron Rodgers 80 mil for 4 plays A couple weeks ago people were saying the Watson trade was a bust here's the truth Jones is 26, Watson is 28 these players have futures - they are young and talented and can bounce right back Rodgers is 40, coming off a major injury and might play for another year (if we're lucky) and what does "play" even mean? Another 4 plays and another major injury? It was only 4 plays but he looked like hot garbage - gunshy, improvising school yard ball on a quick screen. he looked like a dude who should be retired Say what you will about Daniel Jones he shouldn't be retired 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 That sucks. Football come down to injury luck every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, bitonti said: The Daniel Jones contract is better than trading 2 seconds and paying Aaron Rodgers 80 mil for 4 plays A couple weeks ago people were saying the Watson trade was a bust here's the truth Jones is 26, Watson is 28 these players have futures - they are young and talented and can bounce right back Rodgers is 40, coming off a major injury and might play for another year (if we're lucky) and what does "play" even mean? Another 4 plays and another major injury? It was only 4 plays but he looked like hot garbage - like a dude who should be retired Say what you will about Daniel JOnes he shouldn't be retired Crap on Rodgers all you want, that deal for Daniel Jones is still a bad one. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I wonder if Giant fans are arguing about why they didn't sign Minshew or trade for Dobbs to backup Jones. Either way, they should just roll with Devito and go full tank mode. It's the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, bitonti said: The Daniel Jones contract is better than trading 2 seconds and paying Aaron Rodgers 80 mil for 4 plays A couple weeks ago people were saying the Watson trade was a bust here's the truth Jones is 26, Watson is 28 these players have futures - they are young and talented and can bounce right back Rodgers is 40, coming off a major injury and might play for another year (if we're lucky) and what does "play" even mean? Another 4 plays and another major injury? It was only 4 plays but he looked like hot garbage - gunshy, improvising school yard ball on a quick screen. he looked like a dude who should be retired Say what you will about Daniel Jones he shouldn't be retired Lol. Your great poster but this is a terrible take. Rodgers is coming back and even if he doesn't come back this year, the Jets will be Super Bowl favorites next season. Giants are going to have a 22 million cap hit in 2025 when Jones isn't even on the team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 13 hours ago, Maxman said: I actually didn't think he was coming back this week. Sound like he was going to be out longer. But this new injury sounds pretty serious. I guess official word will come tomorrow? That contract extension is going to go down as one of the worst ever. If his year is done to touchdowns and six interceptions for 45 million. Ouch. If you think that's the worst part of this deal, well, it's not! The Giants will continue to lose this year with Tommy Devito, and right now, are in line to pick #4 in the first round. By the end of the year, they might end up with the #1 or #2 pick in the draft. You have 2 immensely talented QB's that will be picked early, and If you are the Giants, you have to pick one of those QB's if they are available. If and when that happens, what do you do with Daniel Jones? Trade him? You're not going to get much for him, having 2 neck injuries, and now an ACL and out for the rest of the year. Plus, the guy is getting $45,000,000.00 each of the next 2 years! Who in their right mind, will want to give up high draft picks for Jones, and pay him all of that money, for a QB who is injury prone. I think it's the next 2 years that if the Giants have to hold onto Jones, that will make this deal so terrible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Maxman said: Lol. Your great poster but this is a terrible take. Rodgers is coming back and even if he doesn't come back this year, the Jets will be Super Bowl favorites next season. Giants are going to have a 22 million cap hit in 2025 when Jones isn't even on the team. The Jets have a 63 million cap hit on Rodgers in 2026 This is one of those hot takes no one can admit it's real until it happens I'm a future predictor and my prediction is that the rodgers contract/trade was a bad choice 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Crap on Rodgers all you want, that deal for Daniel Jones is still a bad one. Why? Because he got hurt? Using that logic the Rodgers deal was worse At least Jones is young enough to have a future 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 13 hours ago, Maxman said: I actually didn't think he was coming back this week. Sound like he was going to be out longer. But this new injury sounds pretty serious. I guess official word will come tomorrow? That contract extension is going to go down as one of the worst ever. If his year is done to touchdowns and six interceptions for 45 million. Ouch. With that kind of performance I'm thinking he has a future as a U.S. Senator. #DontBanMe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankiepapa Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 That sucks. Football come down to injury luck every year Look at Joe burrow when he was nicked up as compared to now... if Lamar gets hurt, they will take a hit... you are spot on... and I hate to say it... if Zach gets hurt, we might even be worse off...Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: as if the season wasn't already over with this sack of sh*t under center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Why? Because he got hurt? Using that logic the Rodgers deal was worse At least Jones is young enough to have a future And that future looks bright! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: Why? Because he got hurt? Using that logic the Rodgers deal was worse At least Jones is young enough to have a future Your take is so off that I almost decided not to even respond, but here goes! As I stated in another post, the Giants are presently 2-7, and right now, are to pick #4 in the first round of the draft. If they continue to lose, and let's be real, they will continue to lose with Tommy Devito as their QB, will easily move up to either #2 or maybe even #1 pick in next years draft. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are both game changers, and will be both off the board by #4. The Cardinals, Panthers and Bears are #'s 1-3 right now. The Giants would be very, very stupid not to pick one of these 2 QB's next year in the draft. Both QB's are rated similarly to Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence, and certainly better prospect than Zach Wilson. The Giants will pick one of these QB's, and then what will you do with Daniel Jones, payng the guy $45M per year for the next 2 yeaers? Trade him? You're not getting much for a injury prone QB, having to pay him $45M per year. Sorry, but you are just 100% wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, bitonti said: Why? Because he got hurt? Using that logic the Rodgers deal was worse At least Jones is young enough to have a future Because he's not very good? And will now be rehabbing from an ACL? But sure. I'm sure the Giants are thrilled to have him long term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Another case where the league and the teams failed to protect a player from himself. Be ready for more guys going into the tent now with leg injuries and such and being ruled out as a precaution. That incident reminded me of the Tua head injury. Player seems to get obviously hurt, his leg gives out. He goes back in and knee collapses again. Also as someone else speculated Simian could be a real target for poaching by the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Brutal. Daniel Jones gave the G-Men the Fitzpatrick treatment. The Giants have to go into next year with the following plan: - Figure out whether you trust Daboll to be the coach of the team. I think he will get another year or two before he's out since they fired their last couple of coaches after 2 seasons. Can't keep up that trend even though the bottom is completely falling out on his team even after establishing his program - really no different than the coaches before him - Tear the entire thing down. Hoard picks and cap space in 2024 - Draft a QB high this year, assuming they don't sneak a few wins out (I think they might) - Stash that QB for the year behind Daniel Jones, or at least until he gets hurt (seems to be an every year thing) - Lose as many games as possible in 2024 - Start your new, red-shirted, QB in 2025 after spending big in free agency and making high picks This is the way. It was always going to be the way and unfortunately Daniel Jones' season last year tricked the team into thinking they are something that they're not. They need to bottom out and rebuild. It's no different than what Ryan Fitzpatrick did to us not too long ago. Set us back MASSIVELY. Unfortunately, their entire cycle is off-kilter. The Giants are on the inevitable wheel of 'not being on the same page'. Schoen, Daboll, etc. as all on borrowed time. They missed the boat to have a team that was entirely in sync last year and now they're all in a bad spot. Oh well... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alka said: Your take is so off that I almost decided not to even respond, but here goes! As I stated in another post, the Giants are presently 2-7, and right now, are to pick #4 in the first round of the draft. If they continue to lose, and let's be real, they will continue to lose with Tommy Devito as their QB, will easily move up to either #2 or maybe even #1 pick in next years draft. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are both game changers The Giants would be very, very stupid not to pick one of these 2 QB's next year in the draft. Sorry, but you are just 100% wrong. Here's another couple hot takes the giants won't draft a qb Rd 1 and Caleb Williams won't live up to draft status I remember when this forum sucked for Sam Darnold. These top picks are hype at least half the time Like Zach All things being equal the Jets need a QB worse than the giants but that won't happen either because contracts dictate playing time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, bicketybam said: And that future looks bright!re I have no idea what that is from, but for some reason it reminded me of the end of It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. Jets offensive line room? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolloffjet Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 35 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: I wonder if Giant fans are arguing about why they didn't sign Minshew or trade for Dobbs to backup Jones. Either way, they should just roll with Devito and go full tank mode. It's the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJCAP2 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 57 minutes ago, bitonti said: The Daniel Jones contract is better than trading 2 seconds and paying Aaron Rodgers 80 mil for 4 plays A couple weeks ago people were saying the Watson trade was a bust here's the truth Jones is 26, Watson is 28 these players have futures - they are young and talented and can bounce right back Rodgers is 40, coming off a major injury and might play for another year (if we're lucky) and what does "play" even mean? Another 4 plays and another major injury? It was only 4 plays but he looked like hot garbage - gunshy, improvising school yard ball on a quick screen. he looked like a dude who should be retired Say what you will about Daniel Jones he shouldn't be retired Going buy the math and return, Jones’ deal is worse. Jones’ dead money would be $81M for 5 games if he never plays for the Giants again. Rodgers would be $75M for 4 plays but with him trending towards being back next year, maybe even this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, NYJCAP2 said: Going buy the math and return, Jones’ deal is worse. Jones’ dead money would be $81M for 5 games if he never plays for the Giants again. Rodgers would be $75M for 4 plays but with him trending towards being back next year, maybe even this season. You're not including the 2 seconds Also there's no reason for either of these players to be cut. Rodgers will retire before the giants cut Daniel Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, bitonti said: The Daniel Jones contract is better than trading 2 seconds and paying Aaron Rodgers 80 mil for 4 plays A couple weeks ago people were saying the Watson trade was a bust here's the truth Jones is 26, Watson is 28 these players have futures - they are young and talented and can bounce right back Rodgers is 40, coming off a major injury and might play for another year (if we're lucky) and what does "play" even mean? Another 4 plays and another major injury? It was only 4 plays but he looked like hot garbage - gunshy, improvising school yard ball on a quick screen. he looked like a dude who should be retired Say what you will about Daniel Jones he shouldn't be retired Jones nor Watson will ever be half as good as Rodgers. Even now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Jones nor Watson will ever be half as good as Rodgers. Even now. Half as good as 2011 Rodgers maybe not 2023 Rodgers is a shell of who he used to be Watson especially people are sleeping on because they hate his guts but the dude can ball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 55 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I have no idea what that is from, but for some reason it reminded me of the end of It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. Jets offensive line room? Solid reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Maxman said: Lol. Your great poster but this is a terrible take. Rodgers is coming back and even if he doesn't come back this year, the Jets will be Super Bowl favorites next season. Giants are going to have a 22 million cap hit in 2025 when Jones isn't even on the team. glad somebody else made an effort at clean up this time. He just drops his trash everywhere. Thanks for tidying up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, Dcat said: glad somebody else made an effort at clean up this time. He just drops his trash everywhere. Thanks for tidying up. dude i'm right here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: I have no idea what that is from, but for some reason it reminded me of the end of It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. Jets offensive line room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: dude i'm right here Only one reply ws needed. Anti-redundancy movement you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dcat said: Only one reply ws needed. Anti-redundancy movement you know. I might have ocean madness but thats no excuse for ocean rudeness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_-RUF-C2fQ&ab_channel=DontYouWorryAboutQuotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, bitonti said: I might have ocean madness but there's no need for ocean rudeness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_-RUF-C2fQ&ab_channel=DontYouWorryAboutQuotes no rudeness intended. sorry. Agreeing with @Maxman and thanking him for posting it. Not rude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Who are the Giants bringing in? Carson Wentz … Cam Newton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Maxman said: This regime is making the playoffs this season. Aaron is a huge part of that. I would never begrudge you your optimism. I’m living in the world where an Achilles tear in a 40-yo isn’t on the high ankle sprain timetable. Frankly, I hope I’m wrong. I’m usually not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 17 hours ago, Maxman said: And a Super Bowl win. Situations arent the same. Injuries happen. 200 million dollar contracts to players that stink get regimes fired. It's really an 80 million 2 year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, chirorob said: It's really an 80 million 2 year deal Dead cap money in year 3 is 22 million I believe. 80 million guaranteed but they're going to be paying for him for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Godspeed 🙏 … this NFL season continues to be plagued by injuries. Hopefully the Jets will be safe & healthy for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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