Aaron Rodgers is a ridiculous bargain - Good news during our current Jets hell

[Biggs]

15 hours ago, Ghost said:

I would make that trade 100 times over. Rodgers is not the issue. The issue is management, coaching, play calling, and the offensive line. 

Lazzard, Cobb and Hackett aren't the issue either.   Rodgers and his super friends have done everything to over come the soft as baby pooh management that's in place.  If they had their way the Jets would be run like the Packers were run under VInce Lombardi.

[CanadienJetsFan]

15 hours ago, Ghost said:

100%. But does Rodgers make make Mekhi a better tackle or Tomlinson a better guard or the entire line? Does he allow McDonald to contribute? Does he improve the poor coaching? The poor management free agent signings like Lawson, Tomlinson, Lazard, CJ Uzomah? 
 

JD and Saleh have failed miserably at their positions.

No doubt he’d make the Oline look better.

As for the X’s and O’s of coaching, No.

Saleh’s an inspirationalist, power of positive thinking type stuff. 
 

JD’s still in the good graces of the Johnson brothers. A couple of rookie of the year trophies will give you some time.

 

But in the end, this is Aaron Rodgers’ team. What he says, goes .someone yesterday asked him about the role he’s playing in the roster construction for this year and for next year. he didn’t deny it. he is part of it.

 

[Green Ghost]

On 12/19/2023 at 3:06 PM, Jdeet said:

Aaron Rodgers saying he is coming back for 2 more years - at 75% of what he was, he still brings us to the playoffs, if we draft a tackle and sign a couple of decent free agents. 

Say what you want about the guy, and I know he is 40 years old, but he was nearly ready to play, 3 months after having an achilles tear, and even at 75%, probably our best QB since Namath. 

Aaron Rodgers Cap number 2024- $17 million   2025 - $23 million

Lets compare him to other QBs in the NFL - Obviously some will get restructured - But still - 

 

Daniel Jones Cap number  2024 - $47 million  2025 - $41 million 

Derek Carr Cap number  2024 - $35 million - 2025 - $45 million

Matthew Stafford Cap number 2024 - $49 million  2025 - $50 million

Russell Wilson Cap number  2024 - $35 million  2025 - $55 million 

Kyler Murray Cap number 2024 - $51 million  2025 - $45 million

Dak Prescott Cap number 2024 - $59 million -  2025 - $36 million

Josh Allen Cap number  2024 - $47 million -  2025 - $56 million

Jimmy Garoppolo Cap number 2024 - $28 million - 2025 - $28 million

Joe Burrow Cap number 2024 - $29 million  2025 - $46 million

Deshaun Watson Cap number 2024 - $64 million - 2025 - $64 million

 

There is hope. 

We’re going to look back on the Rodgers trade as one of the biggest fiascos in the history of this clown franchise.

[greenwichjetfan]

9 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

We’re going to look back on the Rodgers trade as one of the biggest fiascos in the history of this clown franchise.

Why? Were we on the verge of winning a championship without him and he derailed that? Not seeing what the fiasco is.

Even after the torn achilles, I still have more confidence in this 40 year old than I have had for any QB on the Jets since Favre in ‘08. That’s a severe indictment on everything Jets over 20 years.

[Green Ghost]

8 hours ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Why? Were we on the verge of winning a championship and he derailed that? Not seeing what the fiasco is.

Even after the torn achilles, I still have more confidence in this 40 year old than I have had for any QB on the Jets since Favre in ‘08. That’s a severe indictment on everything Jets over 20 years.

Let’s see… he cost draft position (probably an OL) in thr first round last year, two 2nd round picks, he brought in a horrible OC, 5-6 stiffs who took up roster spots), the team will bein cap he’ll the next 3 years 23m, 25m, 60+m)

Now we’re hoping a 41yo coming off an Achilles injury will stay healthy and be above average the next two years.

[playtowinthegame]

On 12/19/2023 at 4:54 PM, talonmm said:

The cost to have Aaron Rodgers is like when you get a bargain at the supermarket on a food item that is about to expire because it's getting old and may not be as fresh as it was when it was newer.

Clark, a little brown on that tenderloin won't kill anyone.

[DoubleDown]

Two second round picks and a mortgaged future on a 39 year old quarterback who has played a total of 4 snaps.

Yeah, I'm going to hold off on calling this a bargain.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/aaron-rodgers-contract-details-salary-cap-impact-bonuses/

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By spreading that money across five years each time, it saves nearly $5 million in cap space this year and close to $10 million in both 2024 and 2025. However, it does mean that if the Jets allow Rodgers’ contract to void in 2026, he will leave behind $35 million in dead money.

Rodgers’ salary cap numbers break down as follows over the next four years:

• 2023: $8.889 million
• 2024: $17.161 million
• 2025: $51.5 million
• 2026: $35 million

Those final two years mean that Rodgers will have leverage in 2025 to try and get a new deal. He will be 42 by then, but with the prospect of $86.5 million hanging over the Jets across two years, they may very well be willing to offer him another deal.

 

[playtowinthegame]

15 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Let’s see… he cost draft position (probably an OL) in thr first round last year, two 2nd round picks, he brought in a horrible OC, 5-6 stiffs who took up roster spots), the team will bein cap he’ll the next 3 years 23m, 25m, 60+m)

Now we’re hoping a 41yo coming off an Achilles injury will stay healthy and be above average the next two years.

Beats having Daniel Jones and Tommy Forget About It Cutlets as your quarterbacks.

[greenwichjetfan]

25 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Let’s see… he cost draft position (probably an OL) in thr first round last year, two 2nd round picks, he brought in a horrible OC, 5-6 stiffs who took up roster spots), the team will bein cap he’ll the next 3 years 23m, 25m, 60+m)

How is the bolded different from any GM we’ve had over the last 25 years? Alternatively, what makes you think Woody, JD, and Saleh were gearing us up for a real shot at a SB if the Rodgers deal didn’t go through?

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Now we’re hoping a 41yo coming off an Achilles injury will stay healthy and be above average the next two years.

And yet, he’s still the best chance we’ll have at above average QB play over the last 20 years except for Fitz in 2015 and Favre in ‘08. And if he succeeds, we’ll be the closest to the playoffs we’ve been in 14 years.

Again, not anywhere near the fiasco you’re desperately trying to make this.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

9 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

We’re going to look back on the Rodgers trade as one of the biggest fiascos in the history of this clown franchise.

If he even plays how he did in 2022 next year, it would still be a good move. So dramatic. The ONLY thing that derailed this whole thing was the injury. Still find it hilarious that people are up in arms over guys like Randall Cobb and Billy Turner. 

[Unruly Jets Fan]

On 12/19/2023 at 3:08 PM, GangGreened said:

75% of the player we saw in 2022.. might be good enough to make the playoffs.

The whole thing is going to crash and burn next year though. Fairly confident in that.

If we make the playoffs they won’t crash and burn next year 

[Green Ghost]

24 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

If he even plays how he did in 2022 next year, it would still be a good move. So dramatic. The ONLY thing that derailed this whole thing was the injury. Still find it hilarious that people are up in arms over guys like Randall Cobb and Billy Turner. 

You’re forgetting Hackett and Lazard

First year went great, didn’t it? Let’s wait and see how years 2 and 3 work out… the Jets are famous for stories with happy endings aren’t they?

[Plen T]

Rodgers is the defacto coach of this team

Bobby Boy is just the D Coordinator

it’s essentially solving 3 problems at once when he comes back - Quarterback, Head Coach, O Coordinator

fix the line grab a couple receivers and we’re in business! 

[AFJF]

On 12/19/2023 at 8:06 PM, Jdeet said:

Aaron Rodgers saying he is coming back for 2 more years - at 75% of what he was, he still brings us to the playoffs, if we draft a tackle and sign a couple of decent free agents. 

Say what you want about the guy, and I know he is 40 years old, but he was nearly ready to play, 3 months after having an achilles tear, and even at 75%, probably our best QB since Namath. 

Aaron Rodgers Cap number 2024- $17 million   2025 - $23 million

Lets compare him to other QBs in the NFL - Obviously some will get restructured - But still - 

 

Daniel Jones Cap number  2024 - $47 million  2025 - $41 million 

Derek Carr Cap number  2024 - $35 million - 2025 - $45 million

Matthew Stafford Cap number 2024 - $49 million  2025 - $50 million

Russell Wilson Cap number  2024 - $35 million  2025 - $55 million 

Kyler Murray Cap number 2024 - $51 million  2025 - $45 million

Dak Prescott Cap number 2024 - $59 million -  2025 - $36 million

Josh Allen Cap number  2024 - $47 million -  2025 - $56 million

Jimmy Garoppolo Cap number 2024 - $28 million - 2025 - $28 million

Joe Burrow Cap number 2024 - $29 million  2025 - $46 million

Deshaun Watson Cap number 2024 - $64 million - 2025 - $64 million

 

There is hope. 

Because of Rogers, the Jets also added five stiffs for over $20 million and Paul Hackett's failure of a kid.  Important to remember that.

[batman10023]

On 12/19/2023 at 4:33 PM, Beerfish said:

One of our cap experts has to tell me if he is a bargain for the totality of his contract before I think that.  In any contract you can't just focus on the cheap part of the deal.

To this point getting Rodgers and all that went with it is one of the worst moves this team has ever made.   If he does not come back for two pro bowl level years then the move is a big fat uber fail.

the 3 year total cap charge isn't bad - this year and then the next two years.  the hangover is probably going to be massive

[batman10023]

1 minute ago, batman10023 said:

the 3 year total cap charge isn't bad - this year and then the next two years.  the hangover is probably going to be massive

63MM in 2026.

we need to get into the playoffs the next two years.

[BigRy56]

The pay cut was nice and all... but at this point with all of the damage he has done, Rodgers needs to start paying the Jets back. We've hit the point where he's done so much damage that he may not even get into the hall. They're going to ban him like Pete Rose

[DoubleDown]

There is no objective way to frame the Rodgers acquisition as a bargain or win at this stage.

As things stand today, an argument could be made that this is one of the worst trades in sports history.  How many tens of millions and draft picks have been allocated for 4 total plays?

With that said, it's not over yet.  If Rodgers does come back and play at a competent level next season and beyond, then this trade can certainly still be salvaged.

[rex-n-effect]

It's great that he took that huge paycut to bring in his friends. His friends are all bad though. The Packers probably end the season with roughly the same record despite playing a QB seeing his first year on the field and a group of receivers I wouldn't exactly call HOF candidates. 

This was always a huge risk/reward trade. If the Jets make it to the big game, then all but the most sour fans will consider it worth the cost. If the Jets don't have at least some extremely competitive seasons, this was a huge loss for the team. It's not just the cost of bringing in Rodgers, but the team will carry the burden of this trade for most of the decade. Dead cap, lost draft and FA opportunities, potentially hanging on to this awful coaching, etc. We won't be able to say whether the trade was worth it until Rodgers is off the team and all the potential reward is out of the equation. 

 

[Larz]

Gotta judge decisions based on the information that was available at the time the decision was made 

Manning won a SB with Denver with a bad neck at age 39

Shady won a SB with Tampa at age 43

Brees retired at age 42

the plan was fine, the injury was the problem 

[Prodigal Syndicate]

Thread is embarrassing and will make for a hilarious bump next year.

[bitonti]

Aaron Rodgers is a ridiculous bargain huh

what's a QB that doesn't play worth exactly?

16 minutes ago, Larz said:

Gotta judge decisions based on the information that was available at the time the decision was made 

Manning won a SB with Denver with a bad neck at age 39

Shady won a SB with Tampa at age 43

Brees retired at age 42

the plan was fine, the injury was the problem 

the exception doesn't prove the rule. the information that was available was Rodgers terrible 2022 season

next year he will be 2 years removed from any football at all, and 3 years removed from when he played well 

let's just call it like it is the Jets overpaid this dude so they could get prime time games or whatever 

it really will go down as one of the worst trades in Jets history, just like how Zach was one of the worst draft picks in Jets history

joe douglas, everyone. 

[doitny]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Aaron Rodgers is a ridiculous bargain huh

what's a QB that doesn't play worth exactly?

the exception doesn't prove the rule. the information that was available was Rodgers terrible 2022 season

next year he will be 2 years removed from any football at all, and 3 years removed from when he played well 

let's just call it like it is the Jets overpaid this dude so they could get prime time games or whatever 

it really will go down as one of the worst trades in Jets history, just like how Zach was one of the worst draft picks in Jets history

joe douglas, everyone. 

i agree except for one thing. this is all Woody. we know he likes the shiney stuff (ex Favre). and we know how much JD values draft picks. there is no way he wanted the one guy who was going to cost a 1, a 2, and a swap. he knew this team wasnt finish and needed those picks. 

as @Green Ghost always says, Woody is the boss and he can do what he wants. 1000% Rodgers is all Woody. JD and Saleh were just being good employees and doing what the boss wants.

and im willing to bet hes the real reason Zach is still here. now way did he want to pay him 20 mil to sit home or play somewhere else.

[Larz]

27 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Aaron Rodgers is a ridiculous bargain huh

what's a QB that doesn't play worth exactly?

the exception doesn't prove the rule. the information that was available was Rodgers terrible 2022 season

next year he will be 2 years removed from any football at all, and 3 years removed from when he played well 

let's just call it like it is the Jets overpaid this dude so they could get prime time games or whatever 

it really will go down as one of the worst trades in Jets history, just like how Zach was one of the worst draft picks in Jets history

joe douglas, everyone. 

You keep saying that but it’s not true.  It’s not like nobody near 39 has ever won anything and those are his contemporaries.  He was one year removed from an MVP season.  

[Ron Rico]

On 12/21/2023 at 7:34 AM, Plen T said:

 

fix the line grab a couple receivers and we’re in business! 

You have to be a troll. Nobody can be this stupid unless it's on purpose. 

If it was that easy, JD would have done that already. He's had 3 years trying that. 

[Beerfish]

On 12/21/2023 at 11:00 AM, Larz said:

Gotta judge decisions based on the information that was available at the time the decision was made 

Manning won a SB with Denver with a bad neck at age 39

Shady won a SB with Tampa at age 43

Brees retired at age 42

the plan was fine, the injury was the problem 

Did Manning and Brady cost their teams massive draft resources, ocs who were the worst in the league and a host of nfl players that made the team vastly worse?

That has always be the issue, the rodgers thing and the Brady/manning thing are nothing like.

Every single move this team made this off season, from FA to the draft to cap allocations were based on the desire to placate rodgers, everything.

Rodgers was plan A, B, C and D and he lasted 4 plays.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Did Manning and Brady cost their teams massive draft resources, ocs who were the worst in the league and a host of nfl players that made the team vastly worse?

That has always be the issue, the rodgers thing and the Brady/manning thing are nothing like.

Every single move this team made this off season, from FA to the draft to cap allocations were based on the desire to placate rodgers, everything.

Rodgers was plan A, B, C and D and he lasted 4 plays.

Prior to that, the plan was to placate Zach Wilson, so any way you slice it it’s an upgrade

[Beerfish]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Prior to that, the plan was to placate Zach Wilson, so any way you slice it it’s an upgrade

Zach was doomed after last year but Joey Douglas can't stand to be wrong so he hung on to him in a laughable faith he might get better or become better trade value.   

In truth both Dogulas and Saleh 100% deserve to be fired for their work this year.  Douglas rolled up into a ball after Rodgers got hurt and hugged his knees and his big move was signing Rodger freakin Saffold who apparently is so terrible he cannot see the field at all on the worst oline in the league.

A torn achilles actually saved Douglas and Saleh because their work this year was totally fireable

[jeremy2020]

On 12/21/2023 at 9:34 AM, Plen T said:

Rodgers is the defacto coach of this team

Bobby Boy is just the D Coordinator

it’s essentially solving 3 problems at once when he comes back - Quarterback, Head Coach, O Coordinator

fix the line grab a couple receivers and we’re in business! 

..why isn't he solving two of those right now?