*Rumor* Aiyuk requests trade

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

24 minutes ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

We need to hope and possibly position ourselves to block Buffalo from getting one of the top 4 wrs. 

This is a ridiculous statement.

Even if that was their #1 priority, how are the Jets supposed to “block” Buffalo from getting any 1 of 4 WRs?

The Jets own 1 pick in round 1 and don’t pick again until round 3.

You can’t have everybody.

[Barry McCockinner]

I'm like 99% sure this dude is DWC.

[83Kelly2Allen18]

7 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Hey, you can dream. It would certainly help your team that so far has been crippled in the off-season.

It's why I'm concerned about their GM being aggressive 

[83Kelly2Allen18]

14 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

This is a ridiculous statement.

Even if that was their #1 priority, how are the Jets supposed to “block” Buffalo from getting any 1 of 4 WRs?

The Jets own 1 pick in round 1 and don’t pick again until round 3.

You can’t have everybody.

Because imo there are 5 major blue chip weapons. The jets passing on one of those for an olineman that possibly won't start is a double negative. If we take one of those 5, it reduces the chance or outright prevents Buffalo from getting one. 

 

The double negative is:

 

We don't get the blue chip weapon ;

Buffalo does. 

 

It's then a triple negative if they also add an Aiyuk...

This is ridiculous incompetence. It would mean Buffalo who is in a worse draft position got two blue chip weapons and the jets got none 

 

Unacceptable and Douglas should be fired immediately if he does that 

[nycdan]

3 hours ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

Buffalo has an insane amount of cap next year. 

No, they do not.  Unless by insane, you mean insanely little. They are currently sitting at 7th worst in the league with $14M of effective cap space.  For comparison, the Jets have $61M and are right about in the middle.  Pats and Lions have over $100M each.  This is really easy information to find.  https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space (click on the 2025 tab).  They can make more room by cutting Von Miller and a few others, but so can every team pretty much so they are still very much behind the pack.

 

3 hours ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

Buffalo trades up for one of the top 4 wrs and then trades for Aiyuk

Are they printing draft picks in their basement?  It would cost them something close to this year's 1st and either this year's 2nd or next year's 1st to get Aiyuk based on what SF has been telegraphing.  Maybe more.  SF isn't letting him go cheap.  After that trade, BUF won't have enough draft collateral to get anywhere near the 1st round.  So if this was keeping you up at night, you can close your eyes and rest easy now.

[Claymation]

2 hours ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

Because imo there are 5 major blue chip weapons. The jets passing on one of those for an olineman that possibly won't start is a double negative. If we take one of those 5, it reduces the chance or outright prevents Buffalo from getting one. 

 

The double negative is:

 

We don't get the blue chip weapon ;

Buffalo does. 

 

It's then a triple negative if they also add an Aiyuk...

This is ridiculous incompetence. It would mean Buffalo who is in a worse draft position got two blue chip weapons and the jets got none 

 

Unacceptable and Douglas should be fired immediately if he does that 

If the Jets take a tackle, he will become the RT with Moses being the swing.

 

[83Kelly2Allen18]

43 minutes ago, nycdan said:

No, they do not.  Unless by insane, you mean insanely little. They are currently sitting at 7th worst in the league with $14M of effective cap space.  For comparison, the Jets have $61M and are right about in the middle.  Pats and Lions have over $100M each.  This is really easy information to find.  https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space (click on the 2025 tab).  They can make more room by cutting Von Miller and a few others, but so can every team pretty much so they are still very much behind the pack.

 

Are they printing draft picks in their basement?  It would cost them something close to this year's 1st and either this year's 2nd or next year's 1st to get Aiyuk based on what SF has been telegraphing.  Maybe more.  SF isn't letting him go cheap.  After that trade, BUF won't have enough draft collateral to get anywhere near the 1st round.  So if this was keeping you up at night, you can close your eyes and rest easy now.

Yes they do. That information from over the cap is insanely off and ignorant of a lot. ( It's not looking at the structures of dead cap and other outs in numerous contracts)... Greg tompsett for cover one has broken down the cap space for Buffalo in 2025 and it's easily in the 80 million range, can get to over 100 million ( this is not counting the cap going up again). This is literally a fact. Buffalo took all their medicine this year and have massive amounts of room next year. 

 

No need for printing my friend, just basic draft capital reality 

 

Buffalo can trade up for Harrison jr by offering the Julio Jones trade. 

Buffalo also has two number 2s next year, one belongs to Minnesota and with other picks could obtain Aiyuk. It would cost a lot but it's extremely feasible. 

But even if the Harrison jr pick is too much, trading into the teens for Thomas jr is extremely realistic. Which is why I want the jets to take one of the 5 top blue chip weapons to avoid that scenario 

[83Kelly2Allen18]

The Julio Jones trade 

1, 2, 4

1, 4

 

Buffalo trades up to number 4

1, 4, 5 (or player)

1, 2, 

 

Buffalo then takes their number 2 this year and next year or the Vikings number 2 and a player for Aiyuk.

This is the most extreme trade up and is very possible. 

[Greenseed4]

19 minutes ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

This is literally a fact.

[83Kelly2Allen18]

2 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

Over the cap and spotrac can be way off. Lol don't get mad at me 

[bicketybam]

46 minutes ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

The Julio Jones trade 

1, 2, 4

1, 4

 

Buffalo trades up to number 4

1, 4, 5 (or player)

1, 2, 

 

Buffalo then takes their number 2 this year and next year or the Vikings number 2 and a player for Aiyuk.

This is the most extreme trade up and is very possible. 

You are going to be so sad when your Bills finish 3rd this year.

[83Kelly2Allen18]

6 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

You are going to be so sad when your Bills finish 3rd this year.

Not if the jets finish first. 

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

Yes they do. That information from over the cap is insanely off and ignorant of a lot. ( It's not looking at the structures of dead cap and other outs in numerous contracts)... Greg tompsett for cover one has broken down the cap space for Buffalo in 2025 and it's easily in the 80 million range, can get to over 100 million ( this is not counting the cap going up again). This is literally a fact. Buffalo took all their medicine this year and have massive amounts of room next year. 

 

No need for printing my friend, just basic draft capital reality 

 

Buffalo can trade up for Harrison jr by offering the Julio Jones trade. 

Buffalo also has two number 2s next year, one belongs to Minnesota and with other picks could obtain Aiyuk. It would cost a lot but it's extremely feasible. 

But even if the Harrison jr pick is too much, trading into the teens for Thomas jr is extremely realistic. Which is why I want the jets to take one of the 5 top blue chip weapons to avoid that scenario 

 

The numbers on overthecap (and spotrac) are real.  Allen, $41M.  Miller, $23M.  Oliver $20M.  Dawkins, $20M.  They did accelerate all of Diggs' cap hit into 2024 which is why they even have $27M in space next year, but they have no room to work with this year now so if they want to sign anyone to a big contract, they are going to have to push a lot of that hit out to next year as well.  But they have another problem (shared by the Jets).  They need to sign rookies, and they are over the cap right now, so they are going to need to do more work, almost certainly pushing more cap into 2025 and eating away at what they saved.  There really is no way out of it.  Just ask NO who has been pushing it forward for years now and finally have reached a breaking point.  BUF really does not have a great cap situation compared to most of the rest of the league.  Certainly nothing approaching 'massive'.  

As to Aiyuk, yes, anything is possible, but they almost certainly can't do what you are suggesting without mortgaging multiple 2025 and 2026 picks. 

As for Thomas, they could get up into the teens.  If Thomas drops enough that's an opportunity for them.  But they definitely cannot do both Thomas and Aiyuk.

You can absolutely see it differently, but objectively, it is really not very credible.

[Rhg1084]

1 hour ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

The Julio Jones trade 

1, 2, 4

1, 4

 

Buffalo trades up to number 4

1, 4, 5 (or player)

1, 2, 

 

Buffalo then takes their number 2 this year and next year or the Vikings number 2 and a player for Aiyuk.

This is the most extreme trade up and is very possible. 

Who gives an eff about Buffalo? They’ve never won anything and never will. Plus they just lost their whole team this offseason

[Mr. Rogers]

2 hours ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

The Julio Jones trade 

1, 2, 4

1, 4

 

Buffalo trades up to number 4

1, 4, 5 (or player)

1, 2, 

 

Buffalo then takes their number 2 this year and next year or the Vikings number 2 and a player for Aiyuk.

This is the most extreme trade up and is very possible. 

These scenarios are pretty out there, but I'll give you one thing I agree on.

Ideally the Jets should take a WR, with it being a major bonus that that's one less guy for Buffalo to take. Especially if it's (by a miracle) Odunze or Nabers

[83Kelly2Allen18]

40 minutes ago, nycdan said:

 

The numbers on overthecap (and spotrac) are real.  Allen, $41M.  Miller, $23M.  Oliver $20M.  Dawkins, $20M.  They did accelerate all of Diggs' cap hit into 2024 which is why they even have $27M in space next year, but they have no room to work with this year now so if they want to sign anyone to a big contract, they are going to have to push a lot of that hit out to next year as well.  But they have another problem (shared by the Jets).  They need to sign rookies, and they are over the cap right now, so they are going to need to do more work, almost certainly pushing more cap into 2025 and eating away at what they saved.  There really is no way out of it.  Just ask NO who has been pushing it forward for years now and finally have reached a breaking point.  BUF really does not have a great cap situation compared to most of the rest of the league.  Certainly nothing approaching 'massive'.  

As to Aiyuk, yes, anything is possible, but they almost certainly can't do what you are suggesting without mortgaging multiple 2025 and 2026 picks. 

As for Thomas, they could get up into the teens.  If Thomas drops enough that's an opportunity for them.  But they definitely cannot do both Thomas and Aiyuk.

You can absolutely see it differently, but objectively, it is really not very credible.

I would highly encourage you to do some more in depth research on the salary cap and spotrac/ over the cap. Buffalos cap situation is the opposite of a team like the saints. Over the cap is actually a little better than spotrac, but it's not a good representation of actual cap space or the future cap health of a team. 

I'm not trying to be a dick but you got a lot wrong here. 

Buffalo after June first has almost an additional 11 million in additional cap space... Rookies count very little against the cap. There is a lot here to clean up but if you want go to cover 1 or Greg tompsett on Twitter or YouTube. He deals with contracts professionally and is very familiar with the intricacies of the salary cap.  

I can tell you for a fact Buffalo will have around 70-80 million in cap space next year. Very little of that has to do with putting money in the future except for Josh Allen. 

 

 

 

 

 

[83Kelly2Allen18]

34 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Who gives an eff about Buffalo? They’ve never won anything and never will. Plus they just lost their whole team this offseason

I do think the jets will be better and should be favored. Outside Diggs who did they lose? 

Morse was aging and is replaced by a better player in McGovern and Edwards. Samuel is an upgrade over Davis, especially in speed and separation. 

Poyer was banged up for all of 22 and had to play linebacker last year because he couldn't run anymore 

Hyde missed all of 22 and Buffalo was 13-3. Rapp and Edwards are upgrades there...

Tre white hasn't been a contributor to an extent since Thanksgiving of 2021. Tre white hasn't been great since 2019 if we're being honest.... Buffalo has been playing without Tre white for almost 3 years 

The jets are better but it's not accurate that Buffalo got worse outside of diggs. 

 

Which is why I'm very concerned about them getting someone better than diggs in Harrison jr and double dipping at wr. I'm more concerned if Douglas ignores that and goes Oline at ten with no second rd pick

[83Kelly2Allen18]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Rogers said:

These scenarios are pretty out there, but I'll give you one thing I agree on.

Ideally the Jets should take a WR, with it being a major bonus that that's one less guy for Buffalo to take. Especially if it's (by a miracle) Odunze or Nabers

It's probably way too much for them to get a Harrison jr and trade for Aiyuk. 

I do think it's very possible they trade up for Harrison jr and double dip at wr. 

[jeremy2020]

7 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I'm like 99% sure this dude is DWC.

or.. ya know.. Kelly

[Smashmouth]

On 4/14/2024 at 7:46 PM, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

Yes they do. That information from over the cap is insanely off and ignorant of a lot. ( It's not looking at the structures of dead cap and other outs in numerous contracts)... Greg tompsett for cover one has broken down the cap space for Buffalo in 2025 and it's easily in the 80 million range, can get to over 100 million ( this is not counting the cap going up again). This is literally a fact. Buffalo took all their medicine this year and have massive amounts of room next year. 

 

No need for printing my friend, just basic draft capital reality 

 

Buffalo can trade up for Harrison jr by offering the Julio Jones trade. 

Buffalo also has two number 2s next year, one belongs to Minnesota and with other picks could obtain Aiyuk. It would cost a lot but it's extremely feasible. 

But even if the Harrison jr pick is too much, trading into the teens for Thomas jr is extremely realistic. Which is why I want the jets to take one of the 5 top blue chip weapons to avoid that scenario 

OMG everyones insane or insanely insane run for your lives

[Smashmouth]

On 4/14/2024 at 11:50 PM, jeremy2020 said:

or.. ya know.. Kelly

DWC don't be insane.... K ?

[Joe W. Namath]

You never trade for a wr.  It has become the easiest position to find in the draft. There will be guys in the 3rd round of the draft that will be better then Aiyuk.

Look at the Bills.  They made one of the worst trades of all time for Diggs when they could have sat there and drafted jeffereson.

Or the Dolphins who have won nothing with Hill and basically could not resign any of their good players this offseason because of his awful contract.

[The Crusher]

On 4/14/2024 at 4:58 PM, Barry McCockinner said:

I'm like 99% sure this dude is DWC.

I’m thinking Nicco or Hal from Provo 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

You never trade for a wr.  It has become the easiest position to find in the draft. There will be guys in the 3rd round of the draft that will be better then Aiyuk.

Look at the Bills.  They made one of the worst trades of all time for Diggs when they could have sat there and drafted jeffereson.

Or the Dolphins who have won nothing with Hill and basically could not resign any of their good players this offseason because of his awful contract.

Goat QB’s pretty much trump anything else. I mean did KC actually replace Hill or did they just go to the next guy wearing a jersey with a WR number? 

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 4/14/2024 at 11:59 AM, Barry McCockinner said:

Aiyuk is on the last year of his deal. Matt O'Leary suggested we could trade 10 for 31 & Aiyuk. I'd be all over that if it were actually an option.

 

No thanks 

[Rich Thornburgh]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

You never trade for a wr.  It has become the easiest position to find in the draft. There will be guys in the 3rd round of the draft that will be better then Aiyuk.

Look at the Bills.  They made one of the worst trades of all time for Diggs when they could have sat there and drafted jeffereson.

Or the Dolphins who have won nothing with Hill and basically could not resign any of their good players this offseason because of his awful contract.

Trades for WRs in the part have worked well for us before like Edwards and Marshall but they were buy low moves. The 49ers are going to want at least a 2nd + more

[DoubleDown]

Aiyuk is a legitimately great player, durable, in his prime, and unfortunately gets lost in the shuffle in SF.  He would be a great addition to this team if he is actually available via trade.  Wilson and Aiyuk would make one of the best WR tandems in the league.

[jeremy2020]

10 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

DWC don't be insane.... K ?

The post are way too short to be DWC

[Barry McCockinner]

14 hours ago, The Crusher said:

I’m thinking Nicco or Hal from Provo 

1% happens

- some poker player somewhere

[32EBoozer]

14 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

The 49ers are going to want at least a 2nd + more

He still needs to be paid, so I’d think a 3rd or 4th if a contract isn’t hashed out first. He’s making $14m on 5th year option.

[Aussie Jet]

16 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

You never trade for a wr.  It has become the easiest position to find in the draft. There will be guys in the 3rd round of the draft that will be better then Aiyuk.

Look at the Bills.  They made one of the worst trades of all time for Diggs when they could have sat there and drafted jeffereson.

Or the Dolphins who have won nothing with Hill and basically could not resign any of their good players this offseason because of his awful contract.

Didn't our fearless GM offer a better package to KC for Hill and he decided to go to the Dolphins because it was more tax effective for him?

[Sperm Edwards]

I can't see the Jets making any trade like this to field a Wilson-Aiyuk-Williams trio. They'll have a huge locker room / huddle problem with Mike Williams, which then also means a problem with MW's agent's other players in the future. You don't sign a player to an inventive-heavy contract and then, the following month, trade for another/better veteran to submarine any chances the first one has of reaching the inventives negotiated.

This isn't a fantasy football roster. Fans have the convenience of waving it off as if to say that's just too bad for Williams, but that's just not realistic for the team. Drafting a WR in the top 10 is one thing because he'll just be a rookie this year, and Williams would've known that was a real possibility when he signed with the team. Acquiring another high-end veteran, coming off a 1300-yard season, is a different animal that would amount to backstabbing Williams. 

No way this happens unless trading Mike Williams is part of the mix, making this a swap not an addition.

[Tezza]

I think NE trades with Vikings and at 11 they go Penix Jr (if JJ is gone) then at 23 they send that to SF for Aiyuk!

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 4/14/2024 at 9:37 PM, 83Kelly2Allen18 said:

I do think the jets will be better and should be favored. Outside Diggs who did they lose? 

Morse was aging and is replaced by a better player in McGovern and Edwards. Samuel is an upgrade over Davis, especially in speed and separation. 

Poyer was banged up for all of 22 and had to play linebacker last year because he couldn't run anymore 

Hyde missed all of 22 and Buffalo was 13-3. Rapp and Edwards are upgrades there...

Tre white hasn't been a contributor to an extent since Thanksgiving of 2021. Tre white hasn't been great since 2019 if we're being honest.... Buffalo has been playing without Tre white for almost 3 years 

The jets are better but it's not accurate that Buffalo got worse outside of diggs. 

 

Which is why I'm very concerned about them getting someone better than diggs in Harrison jr and double dipping at wr. I'm more concerned if Douglas ignores that and goes Oline at ten with no second rd pick

Bills lost both Diggs and Gabe Davis.  Granted it’s a deep WR draft they probably can reload if they’re smart

[DoubleDown]

11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I can't see the Jets making any trade like this to field a Wilson-Aiyuk-Williams trio. They'll have a huge locker room / huddle problem with Mike Williams, which then also means a problem with MW's agent's other players in the future. You don't sign a player to an inventive-heavy contract and then, the following month, trade for another/better veteran to submarine any chances the first one has of reaching the inventives negotiated.

This isn't a fantasy football roster. Fans have the convenience of waving it off as if to say that's just too bad for Williams, but that's just not realistic for the team. Drafting a WR in the top 10 is one thing because he'll just be a rookie this year, and Williams would've known that was a real possibility when he signed with the team. Acquiring another high-end veteran, coming off a 1300-yard season, is a different animal that would amount to backstabbing Williams. 

No way this happens unless trading Mike Williams is part of the mix, making this a swap not an addition.

I would hope Douglas is not operating based on whether Mike Williams' feelings get hurt or not.  He is what he is, a one year rental who is injury prone and going into his age 30 season.  The Jets need a long term starting WR to pair with Wilson.