Zach traded to Denver [merged]

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

I edited that post before you replied, so I do you hope go back one page and take a look. I have no problem with people having a discussion about anything they want to discuss, no matter how I may come off (blanket apologies for that).

No apologies required, I was legit curious why you seemed to want the thread dead (apart from perhaps our collective exhaustion).

4 minutes ago, slats said:

The problem I have is when some poster(s) just wants to get under people’s skin for their own amusement. Let’s push this guy ‘til he breaks, haha.

I may be missing something then, cause I didn't see/notice something so...personal.  The whole Wilson fiasco has been the ongoing topic de jour for four years now, and will (be absolutely assured) remain a topic for a least one more year (I bet we get weekly updates on how Zach is doing in Denver, similar to what we heard about Darnold back when).

4 minutes ago, slats said:

.....but when the intent is to be compulsively and repetitively insulting in search of a reaction, then my moderation duties (such as they are) might come into play. 

Fair enough.

Just for clarity, because I wouldn't want you to think Iw as being insulting tbh, the "such as they are" was a generic comment to the "light hand" moderation has on JN, not you personally or specifically.  All other things aside, I do hope you know I respect you and enjoy our little tet a tetes.  For what it's worth.

[Warfish]

7 minutes ago, slats said:

It was locked for less than an hour when it was getting overheated with posts of the type I mentioned in my previous post. 

Understood. o7

[Warfish]

10 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Over Under for when this thread finally die ?

If Zach wins the starting job, will you not post about that here?

If he starts, and throws for 350 and 4 TD's, will you not post about that here?

Do people (albeit a few now) not still post about Geno?  Or Darnold?

It's not going to die till Zach is out of the league, because they'll always be a residual interest in our former #3 overall 1st round pick hoped-for-franchise QB who busted as hard as any bust in NFL history.  He's "our" bust, and many of us will watch and see how he does elsewhere.

Including you, I'd wager   

[Jetsfan80]

28 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Over Under for when this thread finally die ?

When you admit you were wrong.

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

When you admit you were wrong.

[Jetsfan80]

19 minutes ago, Warfish said:

If Zach wins the starting job, will you not post about that here?

If he starts, and throws for 350 and 4 TD's, will you not post about that here?

Do people (albeit a few now) not still post about Geno?  Or Darnold?

It's not going to die till Zach is out of the league, because they'll always be a residual interest in our former #3 overall 1st round pick hoped-for-franchise QB who busted as hard as any bust in NFL history.  He's "our" bust, and many of us will watch and see how he does elsewhere.

Including you, I'd wager   

The Darnold threads got revived like a swarm of bees on honey the moment Darnold ever had a halfway decent game elsewhere.

Rest assured that while, yes, I continue to poke fun at Zach’s remaining few defenders and thus keep a thread like this alive, his believers will reignite it at a moment’s notice should anything remotely good happen for him.  

This is the way.

Also, if Denver over-drafting a schlub like Bo Nix at 12 and then declining Zach’s option don’t qualify as Zach “news”, I dunno what does.  

It’ll also be news when he inevitably gets cut or assigned to Denver’s practice squad.  If people take issue with that, oh well.  This is a message board.  We all have irksome topics.  They’re easy to avoid if you choose to do so.

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The Darnold threads got revived like a swarm of bees on honey the moment Darnold ever had a halfway decent game elsewhere.

Rest assured that while, yes, I continue to poke fun at Zach’s remaining few defenders and thus keep a thread like this alive, his believers will reignite it at a moment’s notice should anything remotely good happen for him.  

This is the way.

Also, if Denver over-drafting a schlub like Bo Nix at 12 and then declining Zach’s option don’t qualify as Zach “news”, I dunno what does.  

It’ll also be news when he inevitably gets cut or assigned to Denver’s practice squad.  If people take issue with that, oh well.  This is a message board.  We all have irksome topics.  They’re easy to avoid if you choose to do so.

The Sam club was talking SOOOO much shi*t after he started 3-0 in Carolina. 

Even last year, when he came in for SF during their blowout loss to the Ravens, they were talking sh*t DURING the game and then got really quiet when he had that dumb turnover. lol

If Zach throws one TD pass in Denver, look out

[Flea Flicking Frank]

57 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Yes, it IS weird if you thought that.

look, jf80 likes your post, go you! Actually, JF80 made it a point to say multiple times he would not stop spamming the board about ZW until he was traded, so he obviously thought he was making an impact. Yet you guys have not stopped spamming the board about ZW, weird.....

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

The Sam club was talking SOOOO much shi*t after he started 3-0 in Carolina. 

Even last year, when he came in for SF during their blowout loss to the Ravens, they were talking sh*t DURING the game and then got really quiet when he had that dumb turnover. lol

If Zach throws one TD pass in Denver, look out

Apparently it’s ok for the Darnold/Zach truthers to bludgeon people over the head without consequence.  Funny how that works.

Still waiting on that Darnold ascension!

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The Darnold threads got revived like a swarm of bees on honey the moment Darnold ever had a halfway decent game elsewhere.

Rest assured that while, yes, I continue to poke fun at Zach’s remaining few defenders and thus keep a thread like this alive, his believers will reignite it at a moment’s notice should anything remotely good happen for him.  

This is the way.

Also, if Denver over-drafting a schlub like Bo Nix at 12 and then declining Zach’s option don’t qualify as Zach “news”, I dunno what does.  

It’ll also be news when he inevitably gets cut or assigned to Denver’s practice squad.  If people take issue with that, oh well.  This is a message board.  We all have irksome topics.  They’re easy to avoid if you choose to do so.

How many Jets seasons do we get to witness in this life? That we’re conscious of? 60 maybe? Zach Wilson single-handedly ruined three of those and, if we’re being real, probably more because Rodgers is a psychotropic ******* mess and we’re hog-tied to him until he chooses to leave. I somewhat get why people who argued for Zach Wilson would like to shut down conversation about him, but I always find it curious when any Jets fan chooses to forgive and/or forget the pieces of garbage who came in and stole that time from us. Jamal Adams, Zach Wilson, Becton, Calvin Pryor, etc. **** those guys. 

[slats]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Apparently it’s ok for the Darnold/Zach truthers to bludgeon people over the head without consequence.  Funny how that works.

Still waiting on that Darnold ascension!

Who’s bludgeoning who around here? You’ll find similar post counts in every QB thread on this site since Darnold was drafted. It’s not the so-called truthers. 
 

[Warfish]

18 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We all have irksome topics.

Have you heard about our new uniforms and retro logo? 

Just curious as to your thoughts.

[Warfish]

14 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

look, jf80 likes your post, go you! Actually, JF80 made it a point to say multiple times he would not stop spamming the board about ZW until he was traded, so he obviously thought he was making an impact. Yet you guys have not stopped spamming the board about ZW, weird.....

If you say so Frank. 

Most of my posts in here today are with slats about forum moderation and human nature, with only one (the original news that the 5th year option was declined) being "about Zach".

While I make no apologies for being a huge critic of Zach since before he was picked, and take pride that my analysis of him was accurate despite my hope to the contrary, I also am not silly enough to think my bloviations on a message board carry with it any power over anything whatsoever.  The forum, like the Jets, are a hobby.

And I don't bloviate ("spamming") on Zach these days any more than any other topic.  Quite a bit less, I'd say, since he was cut loose.

[ARodJetsFan]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Have you heard about our new uniforms and retro logo? 

Just curious as to your thoughts.

#pokingthebear

[Flea Flicking Frank]

13 minutes ago, Warfish said:

If you say so Frank. 

Most of my posts in here today are with slats about forum moderation and human nature, with only one (the original news that the 5th year option was declined) being "about Zach".

While I make no apologies for being a huge critic of Zach since before he was picked, and take pride that my analysis of him was accurate despite my hope to the contrary, I also am not silly enough to think my bloviations on a message board carry with it any power over anything whatsoever.  The forum, like the Jets, are a hobby.

And I don't bloviate ("spamming") on Zach these days any more than any other topic.  Quite a bit less, I'd say, since he was cut loose.

lol, holy hell buddy, holy hell

[Warfish]

1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

lol, holy hell buddy, holy hell

[Rangers9]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Why does that make him not a total bust?  lol. 

Sam Darnold got one of those once, too.  Is he not a total bust?  He's on his 4th team and the Vikings traded up for a QB just so they'll only see him hit the field for as minimal a time as possible this year.  And Darnold was better than Zach Wilson here....

So then what should Zach do? Quit and go into another field. If he's so bad at his job he should. 

[Jetsfan80]

38 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

So then what should Zach do? Quit and go into another field. If he's so bad at his job he should. 

Yes, that's exactly what he should do.  And likely will quite soon.  Look for him to join the BYU football broadcast booth in 2-3 years.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

How many Jets seasons do we get to witness in this life? That we’re conscious of? 60 maybe? Zach Wilson single-handedly ruined three of those and, if we’re being real, probably more because Rodgers is a psychotropic ******* mess and we’re hog-tied to him until he chooses to leave. I somewhat get why people who argued for Zach Wilson would like to shut down conversation about him, but I always find it curious when any Jets fan chooses to forgive and/or forget the pieces of garbage who came in and stole that time from us. Jamal Adams, Zach Wilson, Becton, Calvin Pryor, etc. **** those guys. 

POSITIVE VIBES ONLY BRAH

[Dunnie]

When you admit you were wrong.

Wrong about what ? Wrong about Zach failing because the team had no plan? Or wrong about Zach failing because he had no OL ? Wrong about Zach having one WR ? Wrong about Zach just not playing well ? What exactly was I wrong about ?

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[Dunnie]

If you say so Frank. 
Most of my posts in here today are with slats about forum moderation and human nature, with only one (the original news that the 5th year option was declined) being "about Zach".
While I make no apologies for being a huge critic of Zach since before he was picked, and take pride that my analysis of him was accurate despite my hope to the contrary, I also am not silly enough to think my bloviations on a message board carry with it any power over anything whatsoever.  The forum, like the Jets, are a hobby.
And I don't bloviate ("spamming") on Zach these days any more than any other topic.  Quite a bit less, I'd say, since he was cut loose.

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[Jet_Engine1]

4 hours ago, slats said:

This thread lay dormant for a couple days, then something changed on Tuesday. What was it? I’m pretty sure it wasn’t all the alleged Zach Wilson fans looking to reopen the defense of their hero. Must’ve been something else. 

Post draft Buzz wore off. Back to work.

 

[AZSOJ]

I believe that Denver didn't pick-up ZW 5th year option.  Seems someone has a brain over there...

[Jetsfan80]

48 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Wrong about what ? Wrong about Zach failing because the team had no plan? Or wrong about Zach failing because he had no OL ? Wrong about Zach having one WR ? Wrong about Zach just not playing well ? What exactly was I wrong about ?

Wrong about how all of those environmental factors really weren't meaningful in the analysis of determining whether Zach Wilson is an NFL-caliber QB.  Which he isn't.  10 Pro Bowlers at every other offensive spot + Andy Reid at OC + an elite defense wouldn't have changed that.

Since you can't come to terms with that, the thread continues!

[Warfish]

52 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Zach Wilson is no longer a NY Jet ... Didn't make it 5 years ... and St Jude's has a bit more money to help families that need it. Good bet JGB @jgb
 

I had meant to +Rep you for this earlier btw.  Good on you for living up to the terms of that wager with jgb, even if he has seemingly permanently left JN at this point.  A good cause, very honorable that you lived up to it.  So have some +Rep and a o7 from me.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Wrong about what ? Wrong about Zach failing because the team had no plan? Or wrong about Zach failing because he had no OL ? Wrong about Zach having one WR ? Wrong about Zach just not playing well ? What exactly was I wrong about ?

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I like to trash the stupid Jets as much as the next guy, but Zach Wilson was dead on arrival. Sheltered mama’s boy mush with no leadership traits; tiny, bird-boned, and not athletic enough to compensate for any of it. I’d feel bad for him if he didn’t pocket $30 million dollars already and skate by for three years protected from above like a golden baby that the owner liked. 

[Jet_Engine1]

4 hours ago, slats said:

I edited that post before you replied, so I do you hope go back one page and take a look. I have no problem with people having a discussion about anything they want to discuss, no matter how I may come off (blanket apologies for that). The problem I have is when some poster(s) just wants to get under people’s skin for their own amusement. Let’s push this guy ‘til he breaks, haha. Some good natured ribbing is fun and expected and I enjoy taking part in that myself, but when the intent is to be compulsively and repetitively insulting in search of a reaction, then my moderation duties (such as they are) might come into play. 

[GreenFish]

42 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Wrong about how all of those environmental factors really weren't meaningful in the analysis of determining whether Zach Wilson is an NFL-caliber QB.  Which he isn't.  10 Pro Bowlers at every other offensive spot + Andy Reid at OC + an elite defense wouldn't have changed that.

Since you can't come to terms with that, the thread continues!

I think the chances your post is correct is about 99%. There's a 1% chance Zach Wilson is Geno Smith though. But I'm not taking that bet as it's highly likely Zach does not see a second contract. Which is epically bad for a 1st round draft pick.

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

I think the chances your post is correct is about 99%. There's a 1% chance Zach Wilson is Geno Smith though. But I'm not taking that bet as it's highly likely Zach does not see a second contract. Which is epically bad for a 1st round draft pick.

Geno Smith always had a fair amount of ability, his primary issue was immaturity (though he did always make at least 1-2 baffling and game-crippling decisions each game and still tends to do that).  Once he started growing up he carved out a nice career as, at minimum, a QB2 before showing he could be about an average QB1 in Seattle.

Zach Wilson's issues are at least twofold, if not threefold:  Ability AND maturity, with a 3rd being an inability to stay healthy.  You can't carve out a career in this league with all those things working against you.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

53 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Wrong about how all of those environmental factors really weren't meaningful in the analysis of determining whether Zach Wilson is an NFL-caliber QB.  Which he isn't.  10 Pro Bowlers at every other offensive spot + Andy Reid at OC + an elite defense wouldn't have changed that.

Since you can't come to terms with that, the thread continues!

This is 100% your opinion.

You can't change the experiment and factor the results in either direction. We don't know what would have happened with a great line and great receivers, he did not have that. We know what he did with sh*t receivers and sh*t line, thats all we know.

You state your opinions as though they are facts, they are not facts

[Rangers9]

I think Denver is 1.3 million into Zach's salary for 2024. Correct me if I'm wrong. So Payton doesn't think he has a 1% chance to be successful. 

[Rangers9]

Btw Mac Jones is making about the same at Jax for 2024 2.7 million. And they have also not picked up his 5th year option. 

[Beerfish]

 

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

Btw Mac Jones is making about the same at Jax for 2024 2.7 million. And they have also not picked up his 5th year option. 

Ok?  Mac Jones f**king blows too.  That isn’t a pro-Zach Wilson argument.  

[Smashmouth]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Wrong about how all of those environmental factors really weren't meaningful in the analysis of determining whether Zach Wilson is an NFL-caliber QB.  Which he isn't.  10 Pro Bowlers at every other offensive spot + Andy Reid at OC + an elite defense wouldn't have changed that.

Since you can't come to terms with that, the thread continues!

I like the "can't come to terms" part