End of OTAs?

[Barry McCockinner]

 

[Matt39]

Seeing how annoyed the media is with this proposal makes me hopeful it gets approved. Seems unlikely though. 

[Joe W. Namath]

This sounds awful for the players.  Show up in mid june??????

[DoubleDown]

I would support a move to start mandatory training camp earlier.

The camps have become too easy (no more two-a-days), and the starters barely play in the preseason.  This has resulted in an uptick in injuries and lowered the quality of the product on the field early in the regular season.  The players simply aren't in great "football shape" by the time Week 1 rolls around.

[Joe W. Namath]

1 minute ago, DoubleDown said:

I would support a move to start mandatory training camp earlier.

The camps have become too easy (no more two-a-days), and the starters barely play in the preseason.  This has resulted in an uptick in injuries and lowered the quality of the product on the field early in the regular season.

The players are not voting yes to anything that is going to require them to show up earlier and work more.

[T0mShane]

Goodell: We’re going to play games every day of the week and on every holiday and we’re also going to go to 18 games.
 

NFLPA: But that’ll make the games worse and increase the likelihood of injuries. 
 

Goodell: True. What would you like in return? 
 

NFLPA: What if we didn’t have to practice at all and put off all our conditioning work until the last minute?

Goodell: 

[DoubleDown]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The players are not voting yes to anything that is going to require them to show up earlier and work more.

Agreed.  The only way this happens is if it's included in the negotiations for a new CBA.

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The players are not voting yes to anything that is going to require them to show up earlier and work more.

It’s not proposing that. It would eliminate the OTA commitment in May and move it to June/July. The pushback is going to be from the media and league office because it impacts their summers off. 

[GreenFish]

I think this is a good idea. The flow of the off-season/pre-season will be better. The 3 day OTAs here and there seem more like check-ins and confirming players are on track to be fit to play. Most of these players train year around. So that is not as necessary for them except for the Becton’s of the world who need more hand holding.

[slats]

Sounds like a smart proposal to me. An increased training camp should result in better physical and mental conditioning to start the season all around. I’m sure there would still be voluntary work in the spring, though. They’re not gonna cancel getting the rookies together shortly after the draft, at the very least. 

[Warfish]

I'm with @slats and @GreenFish above.  +1 to both.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Goodell: We’re going to play games every day of the week and on every holiday and we’re also going to go to 18 games.
 

NFLPA: But that’ll make the games worse and increase the likelihood of injuries. 
 

Goodell: True. What would you like in return? 
 

NFLPA: What if we didn’t have to practice at all and put off all our conditioning work until the last minute?

Goodell: 

Brought to you by the geniuses that traded millions of dollars for future generations (rookie cap) in exchange for taking away two-a-days and testing for weed.

[Joe W. Namath]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

It’s not proposing that. It would eliminate the OTA commitment in May and move it to June/July. The pushback is going to be from the media and league office because it impacts their summers off. 

Isnt the ota commitment in may voluntary?  If so, yes this would require them to work more?

If I am reading this right, its stating mandatory training camp would start at the end of june.  Thats 2 months of camp.

[DJF71]

A longer ramp up is probably better for the body than being dumped into training camp full speed. 

[Matt39]

1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Isnt the ota commitment in may voluntary?  If so, yes this would require them to work more?

If I am reading this right, it’s stating mandatory training camp would start at the end of june.  Thats 2 months of camp.

2 months of “camp” this isn’t a return of 2 a days etc. they’d likely bookend OTAs and minicamp into training camp giving the players all offseason once the season ends to do their own thing. The ones who are annoyed about this is the media because they want July off. 

[Joe W. Namath]

11 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

2 months of “camp” this isn’t a return of 2 a days etc. they’d likely bookend OTAs and minicamp into training camp giving the players all offseason once the season ends to do their own thing. The ones who are annoyed about this is the media because they want July off. 

Ok but would the 1st 3 weeks of this be voluntary?  If not, they are not going to go for this.

[Jet Nut]

26 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The ones who are annoyed about this is the media because they want July off. 

Where are all these media types who are annoyed? 

Better yet, annoyed because they have to cover the NFL in June? 

Thats so much worse that covering the league for a few weeks in May and then July?  

[Matt39]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Where are all these media types who are annoyed? 

Better yet, annoyed because they have to cover the NFL in June? 

Thats so much worse that covering the league for a few weeks in May and then July?  

Breer, Jeremiah. Both bitching about it on behalf” of coaches and front offices. It messes up their summers off

[Matt39]

 

[JohnnyLV]

This makes sense to me but they should keep rookie mini camp. Having OTAs and then the 3 day mini camp followed by 6 weeks off just seems dumb to me. Always has. Expect lots of negotiations soon for the 18 game season that will start as soon as next year

[Jet Nut]

48 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

 

Yeah?  He says it’s not going over well with coaches and front office people.

You said it won’t happen because of media types complaining.   You answered Breer and Jeremiah and the. This tweet.  
Not close to understanding why media types would even care.  

[Matt39]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Yeah?  He says it’s not going over well with coaches and front office people.

You said it won’t happen because of media types complaining.  
Not close to understanding why media types would even care.  

I said it won’t happen because the league gets final say and they likely don’t want to alter their summers. The media doesn’t matter they’ll just complain either way, which they’re doing here. What are you even arguing this time?

[Doggin94it]

4 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The players are not voting yes to anything that is going to require them to show up earlier and work more.

It's literally the NFLPA making the proposal and the reporting is they have the support of a majority of the players, so ... less than 0% chance it happens, you think?

[Jet Nut]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I said it won’t happen because the league gets final say and they likely don’t want to alter their summers. The media doesn’t matter they’ll just complain either way, which they’re doing here. What are you even arguing this time?

Where’s the link indicating the media wants their summers clear for some unknown reason and where are Breer and Jeremiah’s complaints.  
Not an argument, a question.  

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Where’s the link indicating the media wants their summers clear for some unknown reason and where are Breer and Jeremiah’s complaints.  

 

[Matt39]

The players are actually asking for something, but when it impacts the media, then they suddenly care about the coaches and front offices lol.

 

[neckdemon]

5 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The players are not voting yes to anything that is going to require them to show up earlier and work more.

ummmm its the PLAYERS association who are making the proposal. wouldn't make much sense for the PLAYERS association to be working on a proposal that the PLAYERS didn't want

[rex-n-effect]

I don't see this happening because it leaves five months without any new football footage to agonize over and a month and a half with really nothing about the NFL to discuss. A free block from whenever a player's team is eliminated in the playoffs until mid-June in the following season is long enough for a spring league to take hold and open up opportunities for players to move between the leagues, potentially even play for both leagues in one year. It's not accidental that the NFLPA brings this up as the UFL is starting to get some traction with viewers. 

[Matt39]

10 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

I don't see this happening because it leaves five months without any new football footage to agonize over and a month and a half with really nothing about the NFL to discuss. A free block from whenever a player's team is eliminated in the playoffs until mid-June in the following season is long enough for a spring league to take hold and open up opportunities for players to move between the leagues, potentially even play for both leagues in one year. It's not accidental that the NFLPA brings this up as the UFL is starting to get some traction with viewers. 

Isn’t the NFL basically sun setting NFL network?

[chirorob]

Keep decreasing practice, keep wondering why the NFL product is getting worse and worse.

No hitting in practice.  Less preseason.  Lose OTAs.

"We don't know why offense is going down"

[Jetsfan80]

The football media won’t get their 2 whole months off and will have to work year-round like the rest of us?

The horror!

[slats]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

 

This makes sense. The players are off from the last whistle of the Super Bowl or sooner, the front offices and coaching staffs are working right thru the draft and rookie camp. The players are getting plenty of time with their families and would only get more not having to deal with mandatory spring practices. Especially those with primary residences outside of where they play. 
 
As has been mentioned, the league wants to get to 18 -and perhaps 20- regular season games eventually. If this is what the majority of players want, it’s a bargaining chip. 

[Beerfish]

The NFL is an amusing study.   They do everything in their power to f'ck themselves over year after year and they still prosper more each year.

[Matt39]

8 minutes ago, slats said:

This makes sense. The players are off from the last whistle of the Super Bowl or sooner, the front offices and coaching staffs are working right thru the draft and rookie camp. The players are getting plenty of time with their families and would only get more not having to deal with mandatory spring practices. Especially those with primary residences outside of where they play. 
 
As has been mentioned, the league wants to get to 18 -and perhaps 20- regular season games eventually. If this is what the majority of players want, it’s a bargaining chip. 

The coaches and front offices aren’t unionized (I don’t think). So these types of changes are inevitable. You can set your watch to the media complaining.

[Jet_Engine1]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

 

Umm... welcome to the REAL world??