Pay Dak Prescott $60 million per year, or risk QB purgatory? The clock is ticking for the Cowboys

[bicketybam]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Dude, he gave back almost $40M to help the team.
He rehabbed from a torn Achilles in record time. 
Other than taking a couple of days off he’s been at every off season practice for two years.

There’s nothing to see.  He’s proven he’s all in.

 

[funaz]

All these jets fans love love love saying other good QBs are over paid.

Yet we haven’t had a consistently “mediocre” QB in 50 years


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[Jet Nut]

29 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

 

[TuscanyTile2]

9 hours ago, PFSIKH said:

I will have the contrarian view.  Pay him.

Remember when Trevor signed his contract and we were arguing over his QBR?  His TD-INT ratio?  Etc.  Dak's TD to INT ratio is nearly 3 to 1.  His QBR has been above 70 in 5 of 8 seasons.    His lowest (55.2) is barely below Trevor's career high (56.1).  7 of 8 season's his completion percentage has been above 65.  QB Rating?  Consistently in the high 90s or over 100 in 7 of 8 seasons. Dak has actually had seasons everyone wants to see Trevor have.

His playoff resume.  The 50K foot view, his QB RTG is decent (91.8).  His TD to INT ratio is 2 to 1 (14-7).  He has lost to the 49ers twice in the last three seasons.  The 49ers are arguably the better team.  He lost to a Rams team that went to the Superbowl.    His defenses have given an average of 375 yards a game.  Three of the seven games over 400.  By comparison, Patrick Mahomes has only had four games in 19 career playoff games where the defense gave up over 400 yards.  The big difference?  Patrick has won 3 of those 4 games.  

Is Dak a Top 5 guy?  No......maybe?  In that second tier of QBs after Patrick, Josh, Joe, and Justin, the latter of which has a lot to prove.  Who is definitely better?  I will give CJ and Jordan credit when they do it again and again.  Tua?  Goff?  Purdy?  Even Trevor who I argued was worth it?

Pay him.

Fair enough.  The QB pay scale has gone crazy so I'm not sure who is worth what anymore.  I'll say this though: I still value Trevor Lawrence way more than Dak.  I still think Trevor has the potential to be a very high end QB.  And it might not necessarily be in terms of the flashiest of stats.  I just think the guy wills his team to win.  

[joewilly12]

5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Dude, he gave back almost $40M to help the team.
He rehabbed from a torn Achilles in record time. 
Other than taking a couple of days off he’s been at every off season practice for two years.

There’s nothing to see.  He’s proven he’s all in.

He’s 0-0 as starting NY Jets QB 

I hope you’re right iM not here to argue. 

[Drums]

26 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

He’s 0-0 as starting NY Jets QB 

I hope you’re right iM not here to argue. 

Statistics actually show that if he takes at least four snaps in a Jets uniform we win every time. 

[Rich Thornburgh]

On 6/19/2024 at 1:14 PM, Barry McCockinner said:

Sounds like CeeDee Lamb is a NYJ to me.

Cowboys should lock up Lamb long term and trade Prescott for picks.  I thought Cooper Rush looked good last year 

[Rich Thornburgh]

10 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Claiming AR8 isn’t all in is as disconnected to reality as one can be from the NFl

 

Meanwhile he’s in Peru high on Ayahuasca contemplating retirement while the team is having mandatory practices

[TuscanyTile2]

49 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

He’s 0-0 as starting NY Jets QB 

I hope you’re right iM not here to argue. 

He's actually 1-0 as starting NY Jets QB.

[Rhg1084]

Some talks about a separate cap just for the QBs as these contracts get more and more out of control

[TuscanyTile2]

6 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Some talks about a separate cap just for the QBs as these contracts get more and more out of control

Probably not a bad idea.  It would allow teams to keep their rosters together, even when they have to pay their QB(s).

[Rich Thornburgh]

8 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Probably not a bad idea.  It would allow teams to keep their rosters together, even when they have to pay their QB(s).

It would also doom us to another 20+ years of suckage

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

It would also doom us to another 20+ years of suckage

That's all?  Where do I sign for that deal?!

[PFSIKH]

13 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Fair enough.  The QB pay scale has gone crazy so I'm not sure who is worth what anymore.  I'll say this though: I still value Trevor Lawrence way more than Dak.  I still think Trevor has the potential to be a very high end QB.  And it might not necessarily be in terms of the flashiest of stats.  I just think the guy wills his team to win.  

I completely agree.

You know what Dak is and is not.  Trevor you know is at the very least good.  He can be so much more.

[ARodJetsFan]

10 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

Some talks about a separate cap just for the QBs as these contracts get more and more out of control

With how high QB salaries have become, I actually think this is a good idea.

It will be interesting to see if this comes to fruition.

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said:

With how high QB salaries have become, I actually think this is a good idea.

It will be interesting to see if this comes to fruition.

Several posters on JN posited this idea a few years back.  As usual this fanbase is ahead of the curve!

[chirorob]

10 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Probably not a bad idea.  It would allow teams to keep their rosters together, even when they have to pay their QB(s).

It also creates a massive advantage for teams which do, in fact, have a QB

[PFSIKH]

1 hour ago, chirorob said:

It also creates a massive advantage for teams which do, in fact, have a QB

I agree.  

It will ultimately limit the Mahomes and Allens of the.  Sorry, Patrick, we can only pay you $60 million a season.  I think it would have a similar effect of promoting middling QBs to the max contract.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, chirorob said:

It also creates a massive advantage for teams which do, in fact, have a QB

But look at a team like the Jets.  We've built up a very good defense and 2 highly skilled offensive players.  It would stink to lose them once AR8 gets paid.

[Jet Nut]

18 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Meanwhile he’s in Peru high on Ayahuasca contemplating retirement while the team is having mandatory practices

It’s the same camp he missed and I mentioned.  
You have no clue where he was or where he is.  Repeating it was useless and was meaningless.  But going to all the OTAs, redoing his deal or trying to rehab quickly are meaningless on your mind.   

[Rich Thornburgh]

13 hours ago, chirorob said:

It also creates a massive advantage for teams which do, in fact, have a QB

Yeah really this would be a ridiculous level of Goodell coddling the in group of owners

[Rich Thornburgh]

11 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

It’s the same camp he missed and I mentioned.  
You have no clue where he was or where he is.  Repeating it was useless and was meaningless.  But going to all the OTAs, redoing his deal or trying to rehab quickly are meaningless on your mind.   

Remember when you were defending Zach Wilson and Allen Lazard last offseason?

[Jet Nut]

11 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Remember when you were defending Zach Wilson and Allen Lazard last offseason?

No, I don’t.  Why don’t you run along and find posts of me defending him.  And Lazard.  
I remember when you were just phil1c though, he was always bringing up nonsense, changing his argument

 

[Raideraholic]

On 6/20/2024 at 10:30 PM, Rhg1084 said:

Some talks about a separate cap just for the QBs as these contracts get more and more out of control

Will never happen for the simple reason the owners.    They aren’t given any more piece of the pie to the players .    That’s coming out of the owners pockets .    You can forget even thinking this is possible.   There is salary cap, and you have to find a way to make it work.    Also the NFL loves parity - when team can’t keep all their star players it creates more parity around the league.

[varjet]

• Dak Prescott falls into the camp of very good QBs who likely will not take you to the next level.  If a team was SB or bust, you probably let him go and build the rest of the roster.   But Jerry is a businessman, he is more about filing the Star.  Dak wins enough games to do that and make things interesting.   The right answer for Dak is a two year guaranteed contract for top money, and push cap hit for him and guys like Lamb out.   The Cowboys then get 2 years to find another Brock Purdy.  
• Trevor Lawrence is a rising QB who likely deserved that contract.  He has a few years to see if he can carry that team on his back.  I don’t think he succeeds.
• Aaron Rodgers did not give $40mm back.   He got his retirement fund $25mm more by agreeing to take less in year 1.  But, to me, unless we are talking about a Mahomes type, I would rather pay medium money for a capable QB than big money for someone who could be great, but who also could get hurt and/or lose the players to support him.    I don’t think the Bills make the SB with that Josh Allen contract.  
• For capitalist America, our national sport is very communist/socialist.  The players basically own the league with the owners.    Players should be getting made that medium QBs are getting big money that results in other players getting less or cut.  Commonsensically, the QB should never exceed a certain % of the salary cap.  Guys like Brady were smart-they took less, and got rings and commercials.  Top QBs do not need to be paid top money by their team.  how much does Mahomes make from State Farm?

[chirorob]

36 minutes ago, varjet said:

• For capitalist America, our national sport is very communist/socialist.  The players basically own the league with the owners.    Players should be getting made that medium QBs are getting big money that results in other players getting less or cut.  Commonsensically, the QB should never exceed a certain % of the salary cap.  Guys like Brady were smart-they took less, and got rings and commercials.  Top QBs do not need to be paid top money by their team.  how much does Mahomes make from State Farm?

If the cap is 256 million, and Dak counts 60, CeeDee counts 35, and Micah counts 30, that leaves 131 for the other 48 players.  That is not great for the players, that is great for 3 guys.

[Rich Thornburgh]

4 hours ago, varjet said:

• Dak Prescott falls into the camp of very good QBs who likely will not take you to the next level.  If a team was SB or bust, you probably let him go and build the rest of the roster.   But Jerry is a businessman, he is more about filing the Star.  Dak wins enough games to do that and make things interesting.   The right answer for Dak is a two year guaranteed contract for top money, and push cap hit for him and guys like Lamb out.   The Cowboys then get 2 years to find another Brock Purdy.  
• Trevor Lawrence is a rising QB who likely deserved that contract.  He has a few years to see if he can carry that team on his back.  I don’t think he succeeds.
• Aaron Rodgers did not give $40mm back.   He got his retirement fund $25mm more by agreeing to take less in year 1.  But, to me, unless we are talking about a Mahomes type, I would rather pay medium money for a capable QB than big money for someone who could be great, but who also could get hurt and/or lose the players to support him.    I don’t think the Bills make the SB with that Josh Allen contract.  
• For capitalist America, our national sport is very communist/socialist.  The players basically own the league with the owners.    Players should be getting made that medium QBs are getting big money that results in other players getting less or cut.  Commonsensically, the QB should never exceed a certain % of the salary cap.  Guys like Brady were smart-they took less, and got rings and commercials.  Top QBs do not need to be paid top money by their team.  how much does Mahomes make from State Farm?

Lol you actually believe the media sound bite Brady took less money- he was paid under the table with the Krafts depositing money in bank accounts overseas.  

[bicketybam]

31 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Lol you actually believe the media sound bite Brady took less money- he was paid under the table with the Krafts depositing money in bank accounts overseas.  

I believe they used Dogecoin.

[TuscanyTile2]

On 6/19/2024 at 4:11 PM, 32EBoozer said:

If a genie were to offer you a $60m Qb to swap with your 40 yo $25m Qb would you do it? Cowboy cheerleaders not included 😛

Oh man.  You read my mind.  Then no deal!

[Maynard13]

On 6/19/2024 at 3:15 PM, JohnnyLV said:

Dak IMO is a compiler. Good against bad teams and against zone, but you are not winning anything with him. But Jerry is too old to start over so they will sign him. Not saying he is bad, he's just average with deceptive stats. 

Dont think so.  Jones has become quite cheap recently.  And what is Dak going to do? turn down 35-40 million per year?  What team is going to pay him over the top money (besides the Jets LOLOL)   

[FidelioJet]

On 6/20/2024 at 10:37 PM, TuscanyTile2 said:

Probably not a bad idea.  It would allow teams to keep their rosters together, even when they have to pay their QB(s).

Interesting if they consider doing this - but what if they also took an NBA like approach with a "Max"

You might need to.

[BreeceHallofFame]

34 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Interesting if they consider doing this - but what if they also took an NBA like approach with a "Max"

You might need to.

Why? What are QBs going to do to

[Smashmouth]

On 6/20/2024 at 3:10 PM, Jet Nut said:

Dude, he gave back almost $40M to help the team.
He rehabbed from a torn Achilles in record time. 
Other than taking a couple of days off he’s been at every off season practice for two years.

There’s nothing to see.  He’s proven he’s all in.

Posters need something to bitch and cry about I guess even HOFer's and not even Immune to the stupidity. We finally have someone we can actually root for and can't even do that right

[rex-n-effect]

On 6/20/2024 at 8:30 PM, Rhg1084 said:

Some talks about a separate cap just for the QBs as these contracts get more and more out of control

Can't see the NFLPA getting on board with this unless it means all players can get paid more. Franchise QBs are the face of the NFLPA, too, and they aren't going to advocate for giving themselves a paycut. The union as a whole isn't going to support this. Even if it means some players can get paid a little more in the short term, it opens the door for the league to create salary caps at other positions and do the same thing to other positions. 

These new QB contracts reflect the value those players contribute to their teams and they are some of the few players that have meaningful bargaining power with their teams. It's always up to the teams to agree to these contracts. Instead of artificially suppressing contracts, they can say no and let those players walk, or change the rules to make the QB less essential to team success, or develop offensive systems that don't need a HOF QB to win. 

[JohnnyLV]

On 6/24/2024 at 11:57 AM, rex-n-effect said:

Can't see the NFLPA getting on board with this unless it means all players can get paid more. Franchise QBs are the face of the NFLPA, too, and they aren't going to advocate for giving themselves a paycut. The union as a whole isn't going to support this. Even if it means some players can get paid a little more in the short term, it opens the door for the league to create salary caps at other positions and do the same thing to other positions. 

These new QB contracts reflect the value those players contribute to their teams and they are some of the few players that have meaningful bargaining power with their teams. It's always up to the teams to agree to these contracts. Instead of artificially suppressing contracts, they can say no and let those players walk, or change the rules to make the QB less essential to team success, or develop offensive systems that don't need a HOF QB to win. 

That would never happen. I could see the rich teams pushing for some sort of luxury tax on payments above the cap to the QB, maybe where the team can designate a single player that counts say 25% against the cap regardless of contract and then a percentage of the amount over that goes into the revenue stream and cap for all other teams. So say QB counts $50 million against a $200M cap (not real numbers) but they pay the QB $65 million, the team might need to pay a 100% tax on the $15 million which would give each team roughly $400K in additional cap. In this way the QB gets basically a unlimited earning potential but as he gets that more more goes into the pool for all other players