SoFlaJets Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 thanks to our buddy ARod at JI for this Bowens to decide between the Jets, Dolphins, Panthers. CMart expected to retire 6-1. The Jets, who produced the 2006 NFL Comeback Player of the Year in Chad Pennington, could have the comeback of the decade in 2007. It's a longshot, but yesterday they signed defensive end Andre Wadsworth, a former first-round pick who hasn't played in more than six years. They may add another defensive end, with free agent David Bowens (Dolphins) expected to decide today between the Jets, Dolphins and Panthers. Wadsworth, 32, was the third overall pick in 1998, behind Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf. He played only three seasons in Arizona, recording 119 tackles and eight sacks. His once-promising career was derailed by a succession of knee surgeries. From 1999 to 2001, he underwent four operations, including microfracture surgery. He was released by the Cardinals in 2001. The Jets have added two former first-round picks in less than a week. They also signed former Bears and Saints defensive end Michael Haynes. Meanwhile, running back Curtis Martin, who missed last season because of a knee injury, is expected to announce his retirement by June 1, sources said. Martin has been spotted at the Jets' facility at Hofstra, where offseason workouts began yesterday. He has said several times over the last few months that his career likely is over. The full team is expected to participate in Eric Mangini's second offseason program. Players started trickling in last week. Linebacker Jonathan Vilma is scheduled to arrive today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Hall of Fame First Ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 One of my favorite Jets ever. I will really miss watching C-Mart. Hopefully the Jets retain him as a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 That's my damn birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsrule128 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 i really hope curtis changes his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 One of my favorite Jets ever. I will really miss watching C-Mart. Hopefully the Jets retain him as a coach. I read somewhere that Curtis was interested in working with the Jets community outreach program. That is probably a better fit than coaching, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashingjet Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 C-YA!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 i really hope curtis changes his mind Curtis' knee would have to change its mind as well because it is basically telling him it can't go anymore. Curtis may still want to play, but his body is telling him its done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Im glad... the sooner the better... him being stubborn was one of the key reasons we had a crapy run game last year... I love the guy and hope he gets in the HOF first shot though... didnt Faulk hang em up this year too? Sounds like it will be a RB class... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Curtis' knee would have to change its mind as well because it is basically telling him it can't go anymore. Curtis may still want to play, but his body is telling him its done. Very true. The reason why Curtis is hanging it up is because his knee just can't do it any more, and he stated that being able to walk properly for the rest of his life is more important to him that risking another injury by playing again. Curtis also will not be around as a coach. He stated in an interview that he doesn't like football that much to hang around as a coach. He has been saving a bulk of his money for some kind of outreach program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 The Jets will honor him at one of the games this year and righfully so for all the hard work he put in over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 27, 2007 Author Share Posted March 27, 2007 Curtis' knee would have to change its mind as well because it is basically telling him it can't go anymore. Curtis may still want to play, but his body is telling him its done. the mind is willing but the flesh is weak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Hall of Fame First Ballot. 50/50 shot, and it's only 50/50 because Seau (11x pro-bowler) came out of retirement to play for NE in 2006, Shields (11x pro-bowler) reconsidered retirement & came back for 2006 with KC, & Rice (13x pro-bowler) didn't stay on with Denver as a backup in 2005. Any of them would have bumped Curtis, who is 50/50 to make it right away. 1. Roaf = in; should be zero doubt (11x pro-bowler) 2. Faulk = in; should be zero doubt (7x pro-bowler & the best RB in the league for 3 consecutive seasons) and 1 of: Martin 5x pro-bowler (1995, 1996, 1998, 2001, 2004) led league in rushing 1x (2004) 10 consecutive 1000-yd seasons 100 TD's career 4.0 ypc career 6.9 ypr rushing yds: #4 all-time tot yds from scrimmage: #7 all-time Bettis 6x pro-bowler (1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2004) 94 TD's 8 1000-yd seasons (and another with 941) career: 3.9 ypc career: 7.2 ypr rushing yds: #5 all-time tot yds from scrimmage: #13 all-time SB ring: 1 (Steelers, 2005) J.Smith (unlikely): 5x pro-bowler (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001) 12,000 rec yds 9 1000-yd seasons led league in receptions 1x (1999) career 14.3 ypr receptions: #8 all-time rec yds: #12 all-time P.Holmes (unlikely): 3x pro-bowler (2001, 2002, 2003) set the single-season TD record (27; since broken) back-to-back 20-TD seasons led NFL in rushing 1x (2001) led NFL in TD's 2x (2002, 2003) led NFL in total yds from scrimmage 1x (2003) 4 1000-yd seaons 2100+ yards from scrimmage 3x (2001, 2002, 2003) averaged >1.7 TD's per games from 2003-2005 96 TD's career 4.6 ypc career 8.8 ypr SB ring (Baltimore, 2000) Most likely it will come down to Martin or Bettis with Smith the odd man out. Probably Martin - but he'll get in for more for stat totals, playing for coaches who prefer 1 RB to get all the carries, than for being so great year after year. Each had an outstanding season here & there, but neither one was really dominant like Holmes, whose body of work is probably too short to get in but during that stretch was better than Martin/Bettis ever were. Harry Carson wasn't exactly dominant either (though Carson went to 9 pro-bowls in 10 seasons), so as long as it's going to be the Hall-Of-Very-Good like baseball, there's no harm in Martin, Bettis, (or even Smith) making it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 50/50 shot, and it's only 50/50 because Seau (11x pro-bowler) came out of retirement to play for NE in 2006, Shields (11x pro-bowler) reconsidered retirement & came back for 2006 with KC, & Rice (13x pro-bowler) didn't stay on with Denver as a backup in 2005. Any of them would have bumped Curtis, who is 50/50 to make it right away. 1. Roaf = in; should be zero doubt (11x pro-bowler) 2. Faulk = in; should be zero doubt (7x pro-bowler & the best RB in the league for 3 consecutive seasons) and 1 of: Martin 5x pro-bowler (1995, 1996, 1998, 2001, 2004) led league in rushing 1x (2004) 10 consecutive 1000-yd seasons 100 TD's career 4.0 ypc career 6.9 ypr rushing yds: #4 all-time tot yds from scrimmage: #7 all-time Bettis 6x pro-bowler (1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2004) 94 TD's 8 1000-yd seasons (and another with 941) career: 3.9 ypc career: 7.2 ypr rushing yds: #5 all-time tot yds from scrimmage: #13 all-time SB ring: 1 (Steelers, 2005) J.Smith (unlikely): 5x pro-bowler (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001) 12,000 rec yds 9 1000-yd seasons led league in receptions 1x (1999) career 14.3 ypr receptions: #8 all-time rec yds: #12 all-time P.Holmes (unlikely): 3x pro-bowler (2001, 2002, 2003) set the single-season TD record (27; since broken) back-to-back 20-TD seasons led NFL in rushing 1x (2001) led NFL in TD's 2x (2002, 2003) led NFL in total yds from scrimmage 1x (2003) 4 1000-yd seaons 2100+ yards from scrimmage 3x (2001, 2002, 2003) averaged >1.7 TD's per games from 2003-2005 96 TD's career 4.6 ypc career 8.8 ypr SB ring (Baltimore, 2000) Most likely it will come down to Martin or Bettis with Smith the odd man out. Probably Martin - but he'll get in for more for stat totals, playing for coaches who prefer 1 RB to get all the carries, than for being so great year after year. Each had an outstanding season here & there, but neither one was really dominant like Holmes, whose body of work is probably too short to get in but during that stretch was better than Martin/Bettis ever were. Harry Carson wasn't exactly dominant either (though Carson went to 9 pro-bowls in 10 seasons), so as long as it's going to be the Hall-Of-Very-Good like baseball, there's no harm in Martin, Bettis, (or even Smith) making it as well. 1) Bettis never got all the carries because he couldn't handle all the carries. He would always break down and disappeared each and every time he played the Pats or any other good defense. Bettis was a one trick pony his whole career and Martin is clearly better. 2) Are you seriously comparing Priest Holmes career to Curtis Martin's? 3) Roaf will not get in over Martin. Faulk, yes. Sperm, Just a little word of advice. Cut down on the condescendedness of your posts. You are not expert - that much is obvious, don't pretend to be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 27, 2007 Author Share Posted March 27, 2007 1) Bettis never got all the carries because he couldn't handle all the carries. He would always break down and disappeared each and every time he played the Pats or any other good defense. Bettis was a one trick pony his whole career and Martin is clearly better. 2) Are you seriously comparing Priest Holmes career to Curtis Martin's? 3) Roaf will not get in over Martin. Faulk, yes. Sperm, Just a little word of advice. Cut down on the condescendedness of your posts. You are not expert - that much is obvious, don't pretend to be one. condescendedness-damn RS-is that even a word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviot Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Fourth all-time rusher in the NFL. That's a HOFer in my book. So you wanna say he wasn't that spectacular, just consistent and played for a long time. Perhaps, but the numbers still speak for themselves. He's #4 all time. That's gotta count for something! Anyway, we'll miss you Curtis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 condescendedness-damn RS-is that even a word? prolly not - but I have a cold right now, I'm at work and too lazy too look one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbok Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 hall of famer!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsrule128 Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 hall of famer!!!!! woot woot501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 hall of famer!!!!! Got that right...for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorjets Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Sperm, I think the player have to officially announce his retirement to be eligible after 5 years. Curtis will compete for a spot with Barber and Seau, not Bettis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_monkey Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Damn fine athlete. A good guy, and a key player for his team. I'll miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Damn fine athlete. A good guy, and a key player for his team. I'll miss him. I agree 100%. I wish him the best and know he will do well in retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 First of all, Martin > Bettis. By a long, long way. Second, I doubt Curtis would be interested in coaching since he has admitted that he does not even watch football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaborJet Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Martin 5x pro-bowler (1995, 1996, 1998, 2001, 2004) led league in rushing 1x (2004) 10 consecutive 1000-yd seasons 100 TD's career 4.0 ypc career 6.9 ypr rushing yds: #4 all-time tot yds from scrimmage: #7 all-time I think 4th all-time rushing for C-Mart is plenty of ammo for Curtis to make the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetheelz Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The concussions took Wayne..now the bad knee takes Curtis..two of the finest athletes for the Jets and more importantly two of the finest human beings. I wish Curtis the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I think 4th all-time rushing for C-Mart is plenty of ammo for Curtis to make the HOF. First of all you know perfectly well that it wouldn't be the case if his career was spent in 12-14 game seasons like others before him, or if others played in 16-game seasons instead of 12-14. People throw around the #4 thing like it means he was anywhere near the 4th best RB ever. So when do these guys get in: Drew Bledsoe (#7 all time passing yds) Vinny Testaverde (#6 all time passing yds) Henry Ellard (was #2 in rec yds when he retired) Kevin Greene (#3 all time sacks) Chris Doleman (#4 all time sacks) Ken Riley (#4 all time interceptions when he retired) And Sherry, I'm entitiled to an opinion. Odd that you should bring up how they played against top defenses to differentiate Martin & Bettis, as though that was at all a strength of Martin's either. If that was his thing, we'd have been in the superbowl in '98 & beaten Pittsburgh in '04 (two of his pro-bowl seasons). Frankly, I don't see how any football fan could have watched both Martin & Holmes in their respective primes & think there's any comparison to make. The HOF is supposed to have the greatest, most dominant players in there. Not the ones who stuck around the longest to accumulate yards while netting no better per carry than an average/forgettable RB at 4.0 ypc. He was very good and was very good for a long time. A 5x pro-bowler and at least 1 of those times he clearly didn't deserve it (1998; Taylor had a MUCH better season & was snubbed). I'm not making a case for Bettis over Martin or Holmes over Martin. I just don't think either Martin or Bettis were incredible. They just played for an incredibly long time. They were Don Suttons & Paul Molitors of football. Very good players who pale in comparison to the very best of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 only behind freeman mcneil as the best RB in jet in jet history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Ugh..... this thread is just another opportunity for Sperm to bash curtis. Curtis WAS a dominant back for much of his career. He was the guy defenses lined up to stop. It was never Vinny Testaverde or Chad Pennington. Martin never went down on first contact, and despite his average 5'11 205 frame, he WORE defenses out. And he did it 10 years in a friggin row. His consistency compiling yards, wearing down defenses, and staying healthy puts him in the top 10 running backs to ever play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbia Jet Fan Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Sperm I absolutely understand what youre saying, but I think youre missing something incredible that both Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis did....and that WAS playing for as long as they did at a very high/pro bowl level. That alone is spectacular in itself because of its rairty. Could these guys run as well as say Barry Sanders or LT? No, I dont think you will get a lot of people who will argue that....but that is not why they are so unique. To be a consisten 1,000 + yard rusher is a spectacular feat in this league on itself. There is something to be said for being consistant and like it or not Curtis Martin was the epitome of consistancy for a long time on this team. Thanks Curtis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_blood Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 sperm, you don't believe that martin should be a HOFer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Martin never went down on first contact Is this a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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