TNJet Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 are significant upgrades over Lowery and Eric Smith. Look at the vitals and game stats,the same could be equaled or even eclipsed with Lowery/E.Smith duo. If they sign its cool,but lets be realistic these are just Ryan's favorites that arent really a bit better than Lowery or Smith. Leonard is a ss at 5-8? No thanks. Lito/Revis/Lowery/Poteat just fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 NFL network was saying Sheppard would be used as a nickel back. as if they didn't see him as the jets starting corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 NFL network was saying Sheppard would be used as a nickel back. as if they didn't see him as the jets starting corner thats bs,unless we draft a solid number one cb at 17 which we wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 thats bs,unless we draft a solid number one cb at 17 which we wont. Not necessarily... whoever plays best will start... Lito is not guaranteed anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 Not necessarily... whoever plays best will start... Lito is not guaranteed anything... Lito is our second best option at this point,unless Lowery turns into a probowler this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Lito is our second best option at this point,unless Lowery turns into a probowler this offseason. Lito landed on the bench himself last year... and Lowery looked damn good for a rookie... it will be closer than most think... and that is not a bad thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 ECURB good point. he was benched at one point. at 1st i was really happy about this trade. and i still am although 1 pick would of been better imo, but don't think he's a shut down corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 ECURB good point. he was benched at one point. at 1st i was really happy about this trade. and i still am although 1 pick would of been better imo, but don't think he's a shut down corner We did give up 1 pick... Our 5th this year. The conditional pick we give up next year will return their 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 If they sign its cool,but lets be realistic these are just Ryan's favorites that arent really a bit better than Lowery or Smith. Leonard is a ss at 5-8? Leonhard is a nice upgrade IMO. You are forgetting one thing though... Ryan is bringing in people that know his system. All things being equal I would rather have Leonhard back their than Smith just because of this fact (and personally I do not think they are equal as I think Leonhard is a better player). If Ryan has 3 people out there that know his system it will make any transition that much smoother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 Leonhard is a nice upgrade IMO. You are forgetting one thing though... Ryan is bringing in people that know his system. All things being equal I would rather have Leonhard back their than Smith just because of this fact (and personally I do not think they are equal as I think Leonhard is a better player). If Ryan has 3 people out there that know his system it will make any transition that much smoother. good point. Leonard equals Eric Smith with knowledge of Ryans system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 NFL network was saying Sheppard would be used as a nickel back. as if they didn't see him as the jets starting corner Now, all of a sudden, the national media knows the fine details about the Jets? Sheppard will start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 good point. Leonard equals Eric Smith with knowledge of Ryans system He is also a lot faster. And can make tackles. Still, I would not get into a bidding war over him. His height (5'8") concerns me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 He is also a lot faster. And can make tackles. Still, I would not get into a bidding war over him. His height (5'8") concerns me. True. Plus, Eric Smith sucks. He was drafted when Tangini believed intelligence was more important than talent. And, Ivy is being considered for depth. Lito is not guaranteed anything BUT the Jets just extended his ass. Who do you all think T-Rex is going to start opposite Revis? Lito has to embarrass himself in camp in order to not be the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 He is also a lot faster. And can make tackles. Still, I would not get into a bidding war over him. His height (5'8") concerns me. Besides being faster and his tackle ability, he can also relieve Leon from punt return duty, giving him more touches on offense. Don't underestimate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Besides being faster and his tackle ability, he can also relieve Leon from punt return duty, giving him more touches on offense. Don't underestimate that. Good point. How many other strong safeties in the NFL also return punts? The guy can scoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I don't see how you can compare Eric Smith and Jim Leonhard and say they are equal. Smith is a liability in coverage due to his speed. Leonhard is like having another corner playing safety. There is no comparison and hopefully Leonhard will sign with us soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Good point. How many other strong safeties in the NFL also return punts? The guy can scoot. I certainly wouldn't break the bank on him, but I really do like him. I know this sounds crazy but he reminds me of Keller or Leon in that he is unique. You can use him to do a lot of different things. You may not want him to be forced to deal with tall receivers or tight ends but I think with his speed he can: return punts/be a factor on special teams go one on one with many of the smaller receivers and scat backs blitz the quarterback save touchdowns when the play gets behind him So, I think its worth it if the contract is reasonable. If he's a tad fragile I'd be open to the idea of spelling him more often than usual. I think that would actually be a great thing, could cause some serious confusion for opposing offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 are significant upgrades over Lowery and Eric Smith. Look at the vitals and game stats,the same could be equaled or even eclipsed with Lowery/E.Smith duo. If they sign its cool,but lets be realistic these are just Ryan's favorites that arent really a bit better than Lowery or Smith. Leonard is a ss at 5-8? No thanks. Lito/Revis/Lowery/Poteat just fine with me. An orange pilon is an upgrade on Lowery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Did I miss something, did the Jets sign Leonhard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 An orange pilon is an upgrade on Lowery. And you would know Nuke Laloosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Abram Elam would start over Eric Smith. I still think Jim Leonhard and Corey Ivy land here, its just going to take longer than expected because they want to view other options, they weren't like Bart where he was going to be a Raven or a Jet and that was that. That being said if the Jets ended up with Elam as the other S and Lowery as the Nickelback, our unit would still be much improved over last year just because Lowery isn't starting and Lito Sheppard, a 2007 Pro Bowler before complaining about his contract and falling out of favor in Philly, as the #2 Corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 are significant upgrades over Lowery and Eric Smith. Look at the vitals and game stats,the same could be equaled or even eclipsed with Lowery/E.Smith duo. If they sign its cool,but lets be realistic these are just Ryan's favorites that arent really a bit better than Lowery or Smith. Leonard is a ss at 5-8? No thanks. Lito/Revis/Lowery/Poteat just fine with me. I agree. I am content with Lowery and Elam. However, we do need depth. If they sign then that'll be a good look, if not its not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Come on, I would be an upgrade over Eric Smith. The guy is a bum. Any person who can actually manage to stay on their own 2 feet for the majority of the time would be an upgrade. Ivy is a depth luxury and while Leonhard isn't the only option at safety, don't think for a second that Smith as an acceptable option as a starting player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 i guess leonhard is rex's first choice. but i'd really like us to take a look at sean jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 We need a speed upgrade in our secondary and within our linebacking group. Scott and Shepherd are a good start, but we need to upgrade our speed at safety. Elam and Smith are below average for the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy IRisH Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 nothing bad can from this. 1 they know the REX system very well. 2 lowry is a second year corner, he can only get better 3After last year Lito will being looking to prove him self, \ 4 these additions will put so fire under there asses and bring out alot of compettieon and hard work to those positions. Substituons during games will have them rested through most games(Dept at position as well) and our special teams will improve with lito type speed and Leonard returning on punts will give leon a break during transitions dont forget leon was our KR PR and RB he's the man but he does need rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Come on, I would be an upgrade over Eric Smith. The guy is a bum. Any person who can actually manage to stay on their own 2 feet for the majority of the time would be an upgrade. Ivy is a depth luxury and while Leonhard isn't the only option at safety, don't think for a second that Smith as an acceptable option as a starting player. You are too short, you hit like a girl, and are a liability in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 You are too short, you hit like a girl, and are a liability in coverage. I have to agree with EY on this on. BG lacks a lot of the characteristics one looks for in an NFL safety. His age is also a significant concern. I don't think any team would sign a safety as old as BG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Eric Smith is ****ing terrible. Leonhard is twice the player. Lowery vs. Lito will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Eric Smith is ****ing terrible. Leonhard is twice the player. Lowery vs. Lito will be interesting. I think we all also need to understand is that whoever is in the #2 spot is going to give us headaches regardless. Revis is the real deal, so the #2 is gonna see a hail storm of balls (no homo) that's just the way it goes. I'd rather see a competition between Sheppard and Lowery then Poteat and Lowery. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I watched a replay of the OT win against the patsies* last year on NFL Network last night...Lowery got lit up all game long by Gaffney...PLEASE...Maybe he got tired of the long NFL season but he sucked balls at the end of last season. I was very high on him early on but he faded terribly in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Eric Smith can always get a job as a double for NY Gov David Patterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think we all also need to understand is that whoever is in the #2 spot is going to give us headaches regardless. Revis is the real deal, so the #2 is gonna see a hail storm of balls (no homo) that's just the way it goes. I'd rather see a competition between Sheppard and Lowery then Poteat and Lowery. JMO Exactly. I can't see why people can't grasp this concept. When you have one corner as good as Revis, the other guy is gonna get picked on like crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 You are too short, you hit like a girl, and are a liability in coverage. I'm not that short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 are significant upgrades over Lowery and Eric Smith. Look at the vitals and game stats,the same could be equaled or even eclipsed with Lowery/E.Smith duo. If they sign its cool,but lets be realistic these are just Ryan's favorites that arent really a bit better than Lowery or Smith. Leonard is a ss at 5-8? No thanks. Lito/Revis/Lowery/Poteat just fine with me. the way I look at it is the entire secondary is stronger overall, which was a huge concern of mine after hiring ryan because if you pressure, but can't cover, you just give up big plays this sort of gives rex the confidence to turn the dogs loose, and that's a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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