Klecko73isGod Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 So his being slower is now an advantage? No, his point is that while others worked to improve their track speed, Harvin has real football speed, which anyone who's ever watched him play can attest. Whenever this comes up I always think of what Jimmy Johnson said when he was asked about Emmitt Smith's piss poor 40 time in the combine. Johnson calmly explained that of all the the film he watched on Smith, he never once saw him get caught from behind. Harvin is the same way. He's not a track star, he's a football player. He's got maybe the most explosive first step I've ever seen and he reaches full speed in one or two steps. The guy is a phenomenal PLAYMAKER and if you put him on the field with Leon Washington, defensive coordinators will be crapping their pants because they won't have a clue which one to key on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm just glad the FO is addressing this obvious area of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 After you typed this, did you ask yourself why one school would have so many WR flops? Florida gets the elite athletes, so that isn't it. They play in the SEC, so that isn't it. Has to be the coaching they receive and the systems they play in that make them look better than they are. Guess what, he played in a different system than those flops. He may flop, but it won't be because of anything in the previous Florida receivers history. If you compare Harvin to DHB or Nicks....it is a no contest. Not really. Being an ALABAMA grad I just hate everything Florida U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 ALL of the previous high rated WR that came out of Florida were recruited to play in a different system. They were all Spurrier/Zook guys. Oh, and Darrell Jackson and Ike Hilliard were not busts by any stretch of the imagination, not to mention Cris Collinsworth. Jackson has gone backwards since he was drafted. Hilliard was drafted in 1997 and Collinsworth in 1981. Apart from Collinsworth Florida WR's suck balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm just glad the FO is addressing this obvious area of need. they will add lots of offense. they'll draft some skill players, sign a bunch of UFA's, then probably bring in a vet I bet we draft a WR, TE and RB, and maybe even 2 WR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 No, his point is that while others worked to improve their track speed, Harvin has real football speed, which anyone who's ever watched him play can attest. Whenever this comes up I always think of what Jimmy Johnson said when he was asked about Emmitt Smith's piss poor 40 time in the combine. Johnson calmly explained that of all the the film he watched on Smith, he never once saw him get caught from behind. Harvin is the same way. He's not a track star, he's a football player. He's got maybe the most explosive first step I've ever seen and he reaches full speed in one or two steps. The guy is a phenomenal PLAYMAKER and if you put him on the field with Leon Washington, defensive coordinators will be crapping their pants because they won't have a clue which one to key on. Fine. You like the guy, but this "football speed" bull**** is reaching epic proportions. I hear the same bull**** about Moreno. You are fast or you are not. Don't tell me that it proves he has great football speed and isn't a track star because he timed worse than Maclin. Those squids he is outrunning weren't at the combine. Maybe a few per game at most. The rest are stiffs. It's not so impressive to outrun a bunch of guys that won't make one of those AF2 camps jetsrule128/soveriegn/BenEpstein is always raving about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Jackson has gone backwards since he was drafted. Hilliard was drafted in 1997 and Collinsworth in 1981. Apart from Collinsworth Florida WR's suck balls. And exactly zero of the Florida WR flops were recruited by Urban Meyer or played in his system. It's basically comparing apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Fine. You like the guy, but this "football speed" bull**** is reaching epic proportions. I hear the same bull**** about Moreno. You are fast or you are not. Don't tell me that it proves he has great football speed and isn't a track star because he timed worse than Maclin. Those squids he is outrunning weren't at the combine. Maybe a few per game at most. The rest are stiffs. It's not so impressive to outrun a bunch of guys that won't make one of those AF2 camps jetsrule128/soveriegn/BenEpstein is always raving about. If you don't understand the difference between football speed and track speed I can't help you out in this conversation. Suffice it to say, there is a difference between running in a straight line in shorts and a t-shirt and running in pads and a helmet while being chased by guys who want to tear your head off. A lot of those guys who are superfast on the track can't run nearly as well with pads and some guys who don't run so well on the track lose little or no speed when they have pads on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 And exactly zero of the Florida WR flops were recruited by Urban Meyer or played in his system. It's basically comparing apples and oranges. It's saying that 98% of Florida receivers will suck in the NFL. Didn't Chad "bust" Jackson play for Meyer in 2005? Meyer didn't recruit him but Jackson was all SEC that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 If you don't understand the difference between football speed and track speed I can't help you out in this conversation. Suffice it to say, there is a difference between running in a straight line in shorts and a t-shirt and running in pads and a helmet while being chased by guys who want to tear your head off. A lot of those guys who are superfast on the track can't run nearly as well with pads and some guys who don't run so well on the track lose little or no speed when they have pads on. Nobody understands the difference. It may exist, but you can't quantify it. Harvin may be running away from these guys based on cutting ability and acceleration. It also may just be that these guys are that much slower than NFL players that it all won't matter. That's why the draft is a crap shoot. FWIW, I think the pads and helmet argument is overstated. Fast is fast, but some guys spend too much time thinking (or trying to think) and not enough time running. Examples of this are Gholston and B Thomas. ****ing underachievers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Crabtree>Maclin>DHB>Harvin>Nicks>Britt That is my order of receivers. I'd move Britt ahead of Nicks for sure and maybe even harvin. DHB scares me because of the preceived workout warrior bust factor. I'd rather have Britt in the second and rb or qb in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 You just don't have a clue do you? He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 I think we should just draft all Rutgers players so we can sell PSL's, because you know how popular Rutgers is. They were established in 2006. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I really don't see the benefit of taking Harvin. He's a talented playmaker but if we take him we still won't be addressing our need at WR. He also doesn't really bring anything to the table that we don't already have in Leon. The fact that he doesn't run routes, doesn't have a true position, is very injury prone, and doesn't give us anything we don't already have makes me want no part of him in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Plus he uses steroids. Bad image on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Nobody understands the difference. It may exist, but you can't quantify it. Harvin may be running away from these guys based on cutting ability and acceleration. It also may just be that these guys are that much slower than NFL players that it all won't matter. That's why the draft is a crap shoot. FWIW, I think the pads and helmet argument is overstated. Fast is fast, but some guys spend too much time thinking (or trying to think) and not enough time running. Examples of this are Gholston and B Thomas. ****ing underachievers. Percy Harvin is fast, just ask the hundreds of players that seen the number 8 and 1 get smaller and smaller as he blazes away from them. You cant question SEC speed and he blazes by them all. No you can never predict who is going to be game fast, but you are acting like he is slow. His 40 time is not something to worry about. You just have a slight obsession with the 40 for some reason. And you guys are acting like he ran a 4.7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Percy Harvin is fast, just ask the hundreds of players that seen the number 8 and 1 get smaller and smaller as he blazes away from them. You cant question SEC speed and he blazes by them all. No you can never predict who is going to be game fast, but you are acting like he is slow. His 40 time is not something to worry about. You just have a slight obsession with the 40 for some reason. And you guys are acting like he ran a 4.7. I am not acting like he is slow. I am not bashing him. However, I am not sucking him off for having his 8 and 1 disappear from a bunch of guys that will never see an NFL camp. I don't have an obsession with the 40 or Percy Harvin. I just don't want to hear that I'm supposed to believe how fast he is for being able to beat up on the SEC when I'm not supposed to believe that players that actually run faster than him are faster than him. If he and Moreno are "blazing through the SEC" consider SEC speed questioned. His 40 is nothing to worry about. He's fast enough. Just don't use it as a selling point in comparison to players that are actually faster than him. The only reason I got involved in this discussion was that JCB#s claimed that he was better than Louis Murphy because Murphy ran faster, which somehow proves that Harvin has more "football speed". Stick with "moves", "acceleration" or "production". Save your "football speed" for somebody that is buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 harvin can convert to be 1 hell of a rb in the NFL though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I am not acting like he is slow. I am not bashing him. However, I am not sucking him off for having his 8 and 1 disappear from a bunch of guys that will never see an NFL camp. I don't have an obsession with the 40 or Percy Harvin. I just don't want to hear that I'm supposed to believe how fast he is for being able to beat up on the SEC when I'm not supposed to believe that players that actually run faster than him are faster than him. If he and Moreno are "blazing through the SEC" consider SEC speed questioned. His 40 is nothing to worry about. He's fast enough. Just don't use it as a selling point in comparison to players that are actually faster than him. The only reason I got involved in this discussion was that JCB#s claimed that he was better than Louis Murphy because Murphy ran faster, which somehow proves that Harvin has more "football speed". Stick with "moves", "acceleration" or "production". Save your "football speed" for somebody that is buying. Well see, thats my definition of Football speed. Anyway, I have watched the guy like a hawk for years. He is my favorite Gator or all time. And the fact the people are saying Luis Murphy is going to be better is an absolute insult to probably the best player to ever put on Orange and Blue. I like Luis a lot, but that guy drops a lot of passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Well see, thats my definition of Football speed. Anyway, I have watched the guy like a hawk for years. He is my favorite Gator or all time. And the fact the people are saying Luis Murphy is going to be better is an absolute insult to probably the best player to ever put on Orange and Blue. I like Luis a lot, but that guy drops a lot of passes. Agreed. There are plenty of reasons to think Harvin is better than Louis Murphy, but the fact that Murphy is faster is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Please stop with the SEC speed thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Harvin is one of the strongest runners. Pound for Pound he's like a Steve Smith. He might not pan out but you cant hate if we take a player of his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Please stop with the SEC speed thing... Why? Is it not clearly obvious when the SEC plays out of conference and they look twice as fast as the other team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Why? Is it not clearly obvious when the SEC plays out of conference and they look twice as fast as the other team? It is. The SEC is more athletic. This is not to say the other conferences do not have speed. They do, but there is more in the SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 harvin can convert to be 1 hell of a rb in the NFL though. +1 the Jets already have Percy Harvin on the roster his name is Leon Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Nobody understands the difference. It may exist, but you can't quantify it. Harvin may be running away from these guys based on cutting ability and acceleration. It also may just be that these guys are that much slower than NFL players that it all won't matter. That's why the draft is a crap shoot. FWIW, I think the pads and helmet argument is overstated. Fast is fast, but some guys spend too much time thinking (or trying to think) and not enough time running. Examples of this are Gholston and B Thomas. ****ing underachievers. You're pretty much defining "football speed" there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 You're pretty much defining "football speed" there.. Thats what I said jackass. i****ingh8u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 You're pretty much defining "football speed" there.. On field IQ is definitely a big part of "football speed," but it goes much deeper than that. Burst, the ability to cut at full speed, vision, and breakaway speed play a very large. Leon Washington is not a player who had a fantastic 40 time, but he has amazing "football speed." Even though he is not the fastest player in the NFL on paper, there are very few players who can catch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Thats what I said jackass. i****ingh8u lol.. Sorry. I normally don't read your posts if they are longer then a few words.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 On field IQ is definitely a big part of "football speed," but it goes much deeper than that. Burst, the ability to cut at full speed, vision, and breakaway speed play a very large. Leon Washington is not a player who had a fantastic 40 time, but he has amazing "football speed." Even though he is not the fastest player in the NFL on paper, there are very few players who can catch him. Well... yes exactly.. The idea of football speed vs. track speed to me has always meant the mental and physical differences required to read and react to what you are seeing on a football field versus running real fast in a straight line. You can be the fastest guy in the world, but if you can get around players and react quickly to ever changing dynamics, it'll be worthless.. They are most certainly not the same ability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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