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[Maxman]

He was just a small town girl in the city lights, the best was yet to come.

[Maxman]

One thing about the Podcasts....I know some of you (Tom) make fun of me for the songs we use as an intro. But I just wanted to share something along those lines. Every week Courtney and I talk about what song to use. And I realized that if the song isn't by some hardcore rapper in the 90's or Jimi Hendrix, she has no idea who they are.

No real point here. Just felt like sharing really, lol.

[Sperm Edwards]

Sanchez has regressed, but to say the lack of talent around him had no impact is a joke. Braylon F'n Edwards was the #1 WR on MNF, the 4/5 receiver on the Seahawks.

It sure didn't help, I'll grant you that. But I never saw anything that suggested he would or could ever develop into a smart, level-headed QB who could consistently put the ball where it needs to be.

Development shmelelopment. From 10 yards away the guy is off-target on stationary receivers by 3 yards. In the pros, 2-3 yards can easily be - and often is - the difference between a true franchise QB who makes everyone else better and a scrub who gets lucky on a couple of throws or has a great (statistical) game now & then.

Tyler Thigpen once had like 20 TDs in half a season for KC. A couple of years earlier for them, Damon Huard had an 11:1 TD:INT ratio in relief of Trent Green. Mark Malone was supposed to be Pittsburgh's next great QB after Bradshaw. He even had some stupid-awesome games for them that Sanchez - even in a far more pass-friendly league - has never approached reproducing.

Scott Mitchell. Tommy Maddox. Rick Mirer. Daunte Culpepper. Kyle Boller. Sexy Rexy. Dozens of others from the 90s, 80s, 70s, etc. So many had great games or entire great seasons where they flashed what a scout or GM or coach once saw in them.

At some point, these teams just realized that you can't judge a player by only looking at the minority of games where he'd found success. That a guy who sucks is a guy who sucks, that the franchise must move on, and once it is accepted as such, the sooner the better. It is unusual for a nobody to turn into Kurt Warner or for a one-time relative draft bust to even turn into an Alex Smith. Wishing for it to be so doesn't make it so or likely or even possible.

[JiF]

This is garbage. He didn't lead the team anywhere and the things that make him the worst QB in the NFL in 2012 were there from the second he stepped on the field. The refusal to protect the football. The inaccuracy The inability to read the field and find open WR's. The inability to read the defense. Sanchez just never had the mental and physical ability to be a good QB in this league. Even when they were winning all these issues were there.

This. Except for a few games where Sanchez made a big throw in a comeback fashion, he's always sucked and the Jets won in spite of his terrible play.

When you look back to his rookie season, all the games the Jets won were because the Jets D was lights out.

Year 1, opponents pts vs. the Jets in Marks wins: 7, 9, 17, 0, 6, 13, 15, 0. Year 2 was slightly more impressive. Opponents averaged 16pts in Jets victories but the Jets also lost 3 games where the opponent scored 10 or less points. Year 3 back to year 1 basically, 24, 3, 6, 21, 11, 24, 19, 10 for an average of 14pts. This season, 28, 20, 9, 13, 6, 10.

LOL - dude has always sucked, bad.

[Sperm Edwards]

This. Except for a few games where Sanchez made a big throw in a comeback fashion, he's always sucked and the Jets won in spite of his terrible play.

When you look back to his rookie season, all the games the Jets won were because the Jets D was lights out.

Year 1, opponents pts vs. the Jets in Marks wins: 7, 9, 17, 0, 6, 13, 15, 0. Year 2 was slightly more impressive. Opponents averaged 16pts in Jets victories but the Jets also lost 3 games where the opponent scored 10 or less points. Year 3 back to year 1 basically, 24, 3, 6, 21, 11, 24, 19, 10 for an average of 14pts. This season, 28, 20, 9, 13, 6, 10.

LOL - dude has always sucked, bad.

Heading into this season, I forgot what it was but I added it up once. Something like 9 losses in 3 years when the defense gave up 10 points or less (factoring in FGs opponents got when they got the ball in FG range after Mark turned it over).

[sirlancemehlot]

So if the kid was never any good then Tanny should be held even more accountable. Huge pricetag for that 4 overall, big contract, rediculous extension. no return on investment.

[Gastineau Lives]

Counterpoint: He just didn't have the talent to be a good NFL starting QB!

No, that never happens.

[faba]

So if the kid was never any good then Tanny should be held even more accountable. Huge pricetag for that 4 overall, big contract, rediculous extension. no return on investment.

Yes that is the point- too many mistakes and wrong decisions made by tanny-the first one that has to go

[Gastineau Lives]

This. Except for a few games where Sanchez made a big throw in a comeback fashion, he's always sucked and the Jets won in spite of his terrible play.

When you look back to his rookie season, all the games the Jets won were because the Jets D was lights out.

Year 1, opponents pts vs. the Jets in Marks wins: 7, 9, 17, 0, 6, 13, 15, 0. Year 2 was slightly more impressive. Opponents averaged 16pts in Jets victories but the Jets also lost 3 games where the opponent scored 10 or less points. Year 3 back to year 1 basically, 24, 3, 6, 21, 11, 24, 19, 10 for an average of 14pts. This season, 28, 20, 9, 13, 6, 10.

LOL - dude has always sucked, bad.

Yeah, but he did take us to two AFC championship games. Put us right on his back and by sheer force of will took that rag tag bunch of underachievers (especially those hapless ne'er do wells on defense, the Super Bowl MVP receiver and that sieve like offensive line that couldn't get any semblance of a running game together) and LED US TO THE PROMISED LAND AS A ROOKIE AND THEN, FOR AN ENCORE IN HIS SECOND SEASON.....DID IT AGAIN!!!!!

And then, ruination set in, the evil Brian Schottenheimer's malicious influence finally was too much for poor Mark Sanchez to overcome (he's only human, after all) and he finally succumbed, unable to lead his team anymore.

This story is too sad to tell, and I believe you know it well, so I will end it here, before the name of Sparano is invoked.

Edited by Gastineau Lives, 19 December 2012 - 10:04 AM.

[unbanmadmike1]

So if the kid was never any good then Tanny should be held even more accountable. Huge pricetag for that 4 overall, big contract, rediculous extension. no return on investment.

Yup thats pretty much the point. Except Rex is just as culpable.

Edited by unbanmadmike1, 19 December 2012 - 10:16 AM.

[cr726]

You are ignoring Sanchez had more playoff wins than all of your examples.

It sure didn't help, I'll grant you that. But I never saw anything that suggested he would or could ever develop into a smart, level-headed QB who could consistently put the ball where it needs to be.

Development shmelelopment. From 10 yards away the guy is off-target on stationary receivers by 3 yards. In the pros, 2-3 yards can easily be - and often is - the difference between a true franchise QB who makes everyone else better and a scrub who gets lucky on a couple of throws or has a great (statistical) game now & then.

Tyler Thigpen once had like 20 TDs in half a season for KC. A couple of years earlier for them, Damon Huard had an 11:1 TD:INT ratio in relief of Trent Green. Mark Malone was supposed to be Pittsburgh's next great QB after Bradshaw. He even had some stupid-awesome games for them that Sanchez - even in a far more pass-friendly league - has never approached reproducing.

Scott Mitchell. Tommy Maddox. Rick Mirer. Daunte Culpepper. Kyle Boller. Sexy Rexy. Dozens of others from the 90s, 80s, 70s, etc. So many had great games or entire great seasons where they flashed what a scout or GM or coach once saw in them.

At some point, these teams just realized that you can't judge a player by only looking at the minority of games where he'd found success. That a guy who sucks is a guy who sucks, that the franchise must move on, and once it is accepted as such, the sooner the better. It is unusual for a nobody to turn into Kurt Warner or for a one-time relative draft bust to even turn into an Alex Smith. Wishing for it to be so doesn't make it so or likely or even possible.

[Sperm Edwards]

You are ignoring Sanchez had more playoff wins than all of your examples.

And Trent Dilfer has more superbowl wins than Dan Marino. La-dee-freaking-da.

Just goes to show how good those teams were to get that far with a stiff like Sanchez. He cost us 2 superbowls.

[G.O.B.]

One thing about the Podcasts....I know some of you (Tom) make fun of me for the songs we use as an intro. But I just wanted to share something along those lines. Every week Courtney and I talk about what song to use. And I realized that if the song isn't by some hardcore rapper in the 90's or Jimi Hendrix, she has no idea who they are.

No real point here. Just felt like sharing really, lol.

I want to hear "Don't sweat the technique" by Erik B & Rakim next week.

[Sperm Edwards]

Here's what might have been:

2008 trade up to #2: give St. Louis the compensation they wanted (our 1st for the following season), which we refused.

• Draft Matt Ryan in 2008.

• Do not draft Vernon Gholston in 2008.

• Do not draft Mark Sanchez in 2009.

• Keep our 2nd round pick for 2009 because we didn't blow it trading up for Sanchez. Use that pick to draft LeShon McCoy.

• Do not trade our 3rd+4th+7th(?) to move up to 3(1) to draft Shonn Greene in 2009.
  
  • Instead draft Mike Wallace in 2009 round 3.
  • Trade 2009 round 4 pick for 2010 round 3 pick and use that pick to draft Jimmy Graham.
• Do not trade our 2010 3rd and 5th rounders for Braylon Edwards.
  
  • Instead draft Eric Decker in 2010 round 3.

Save a boatload of cap room with only one top 5-6 pick instead of two. Offense skill position problems solved for the next 5-10 years.

If you want to play "what might have been" then this is a better way to play it. Far better than giving ourselves a do-over and re-drafting Mark Sanchez, anyway.

[Jetscode1]

Make more sense to change the thread title to...the New York Jets what could have been without Mark Sanchez.

[cr726]

And Trent Dilfer has more superbowl wins than Dan Marino. La-dee-freaking-da.

Just goes to show how good those teams were to get that far with a stiff like Sanchez. He cost us 2 superbowls.

I'll take wins over stats.

[Sperm Edwards]

I'll take wins over stats.

You make it sound as though we wouldn't have won the same and more with a real QB.

[cr726]

You make it sound as though we wouldn't have won the same and more with a real QB.

Sanchez has more playoff wins than the majority of qb's. Has he regressed? ABSOLUTELY.

[Sperm Edwards]

Sanchez has more playoff wins than the majority of qb's. Has he regressed? ABSOLUTELY.

We'd have 2 SB wins with a real NFL QB instead of an inexperienced never-gonna-be bust scrub.

[dbatesman]

I'll take wins over stats.

I love that we're still doing this.