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By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com
Examining the New York Jets' roster: 

QUARTERBACKS (3) 

Smith and Vick are locked in at No. 1 and No. 2, respectively. Simms didn't play particularly well in the preseason finale, but he made enough progress over the summer to win a spot. His position coach, David Lee, thinks the world of Simms. The Jets could try to get cute, attemping to slip him through waivers for the practice squad, but why take a chance with a quarterback who might develop into a solid No. 2 down the road? Rookie Tajh Boyd, a sixth-round pick, showed flashes in the finale, but it was too little, too late. 

RUNNING BACKS (5) 

It's a tough call between Richardson and Alex Green; there's sentiment for both in the organization. In the end, it will be Richardson, a better receiver than Green, who fumbled twice Thursday night. It's an insurance position, anyway, as the Jets figure to dress only four running backs per week. 

WIDE RECEIVERS (6) 

The big story on the final cutdown is Stephen Hill, a former second-round pick who played his way from a near lock at the start of camp to squarely on the bubble. He didn't get many opportunities Thursday night, but he failed to seize what opportunities he did get -- i.e. yet another dropped pass. The Jets would love to trade Hill, but it might be hard to find a taker. If he makes the team, it's because they're afraid he might actually realize his potential, and that would be embarrassing if it happens with another team. Salas isn't a lock, not after a so-so outing in the final game, but his above-average camp can't be dismissed. Clyde Gatesis pushing because of his speed and kickoff-returning ablity. Hakim was one of the underdog stories in camp, winning a job because of his special-teams prowess. 

TIGHT ENDS (3) 

This is fairly straight forward, although a strong finish by Chris Pantale might cause them to give pause. Cumberland will need time to get up to speed after missing significant time with Achilles' tendon tightness, so Amar0 -- better of late -- might have to carry the day early in the season. It was a solid camp for Sudfeld, but the knock on him is that he fades when the lights go on. Is there a legit blocker in the house? 

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (9) 

Winters played in the final preseason game, which should tell you something. Chances are he'll hold off Aboushi at left guard, but he shouldn't get too comfortable. Aboushi will continue to be the swing right tackle/guard, pushing Winters. Freeman beat out Caleb Schlauderaff for one reserve spot. Ijalana probably will make it by default, because he's the only backup left tackle, but the Jets will be looking for an upgrade. Dozier is this year's version of Aboushi and Will Campbell, meaning it will be a "redshirt" season. 

DEFENSIVE LINEMEN (5) 

This is one of the top young defensive lines in the league, a tough group to crack. The coaches really like T.J. Barnes, a Jacksonville Jaguars castoff who worked hard to drop 20-plus pounds. Unfortunately, there's no room at the inn. 

LINEBACKERS (8) 

Edds is the surprise here, coming out of nowhere to win a job. He was a non-roster player in minicamp but earned a contract, displaying excellent coverage skills and ability on special teams. Troy Davis (quadriceps) and rookie IK Enemkpali (foot) were sabotaged by late injuries. Babin, signed on the eve of training camp, looks like he will be a nice pickup.Antwan Barnes, still not practicing, probably will start the season on the physically unable to perform list, meaning he must sit at least six weeks. Fifth-round pick Jeremiah Georgecould be a rare draft pick that gets cut. Ditto for seventh-rounder Trevor Reilly, which won't make it so rare. 

CORNERBACKS (7) 

It's hard to imagine the suspended Dimitri Patterson on the opening-day roster. The question is, how and when do they dump him? Not only was he AWOL for 48 hours, but he called out Rex Ryan and John Idzik, basically accusing them of lying. This situation could get uglier before it gets resolved. If Idzik doesn't replace Patterson, it's because he's desperate for corners and doesn't want to admit he made a mistake by signing him in free agency. It would be a shock if they don't acquire a veteran, either in a trade or on waivers. We're not listing Allen at corner, not safety, because ... well, they're hurting here. Lewis and Patrick make it by default -- unless something better comes along. Sixth-round pickBrandon Dixon is raw and needs time to develop. 

SAFETIES (4) 

Pryor has a chance to be special; he'll learn a lot, playing alongside Landry. The new addition here is Bush, who offers help on special teams -- a big point of emphasis after a couple of down years. 

SPECIALISTS (3) 

Quigley helped his cause with an improved performance in the final game, but one thing we know about the Jets: They like to change punters.

 

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Here are my changes to Cimini's list. My corrections marked in RED

 

QUARTERBACKS (2) 

Smith and Vick are locked in at No. 1 and No. 2, respectively. Simms didn't play particularly well in the preseason finale and with two extra PS spots allowed this season Simms and/or Boyd go to the PS. Boyd might still be kept on PS because the HC loves him. That's his only qualification.

RUNNING BACKS (4) 

Both Richardson and Alex Green gone after last nite's performance. Three top of the line running backs of this quality are enough insurance policy.

 

So at this point two roster open up if JETS have 2 QB's and 4RB's. One spot used on WR's. One spot will be used for LB's

 

WIDE RECEIVERS (7) 

Stephen Hill, a former second-round pick makes it to the final 7 just because there is no one on this JETS team that has the combo of size and speed  that Stephen Hill has and he is still on a rookie contract.

 

Salas isn't a lock, not after a so-so outing in the final game, but his above-average camp can't be dismissed. Clyde Gates is pushing because of his speed and kickoff-returning ability. Hakim was one of the underdog stories in camp, winning a job because of his special-teams prowess. Saunders did not anything during the camp, plus his seizure issues make him a safe bet for the PS or IR. But draft politics might ensure he stays on the team. Enunwa seems headed to the PS.

TIGHT ENDS (3) 

This is fairly straight forward, although a strong finish by Chris Pantale might cause them to give pause. Cumberland will need time to get up to speed after missing significant time with Achilles' tendon tightness, so Amar0 -- better of late -- might have to carry the day early in the season. It was a solid camp for Sudfeld, but the knock on him is that he fades when the lights go on. Is there a legit blocker in the house? 

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (9) 

Winters played in the final preseason game, which should tell you something. Chances are he'll hold off Aboushi at left guard, but he shouldn't get too comfortable. Aboushi will continue to be the swing right tackle/guard, pushing Winters. Freeman beat out Caleb Schlauderaff for one reserve spot. Ijalana probably will make it by default, because he's the only backup left tackle, but the Jets will be looking for an upgrade. Dozier is this year's version of Aboushi and Will Campbell, meaning it will be a "redshirt" season. 

DEFENSIVE LINEMEN (5) 

This is one of the top young defensive lines in the league, a tough group to crack. The coaches really like T.J. Barnes, a Jacksonville Jaguars castoff who worked hard to drop 20-plus pounds. Unfortunately, there's no room at the inn. 

LINEBACKERS (9) 

Edds is the surprise here, coming out of nowhere to win a job. He was a non-roster player in minicamp but earned a contract, displaying excellent coverage skills and ability on special teams. Troy Davis (quadriceps) and rookie IK Enemkpali (foot) were sabotaged by late injuries. Babin, signed on the eve of training camp, looks like he will be a nice pickup.Antwan Barnes, still not practicing, probably will start the season on the physically unable to perform list, meaning he must sit at least six weeks

 

Fifth-round pick Jeremiah George could be a rare draft pick that gets cut.  Jeremiah George and Edds kept on the roster unless the JETS get some promising CB prospect in the near future OR when Antawn Barnes returns back. Then one of these two might be waived to be signed to the PS. Ditto for seventh-rounder Trevor Reilly, who would be certainty for PS.

CORNERBACKS (7) 

 

At this late stage in the season I would expect a smart GM to try to clear the air and let Dimitri Patterson play out his one year contract. Johny Patrick was injured last nite so he may be out. Patterson remains on the roster even if the JETS  find a CB prospect in waiver wires. JETS will need to get sufficient confidence in that prospect being able to show up and belong on a NFL field, which may take few weeks or even half a season or maybe an entire season. As stated above when a CB prospect will be signed it will be at the expense of LB's depth.

 

It's hard to imagine the suspended Dimitri Patterson on the opening-day roster. The question is, how and when do they dump him? Not only was he AWOL for 48 hours, but he called out Rex Ryan and John Idzik, basically accusing them of lying. This situation could get uglier before it gets resolved. If Idzik doesn't replace Patterson, it's because he's desperate for corners and doesn't want to admit he made a mistake by signing him in free agency.

 

It would be a shock if they don't acquire a veteran, either in a trade or on waivers. We're not listing Allen at corner, not safety, because ... well, they're hurting here. Lewis and Patrick make it by default -- unless something better comes along. Sixth-round pickBrandon Dixon is raw and needs time to develop. 

SAFETIES (4) 

Pryor has a chance to be special; he'll learn a lot, playing alongside Landry. The new addition here is Bush, who offers help on special teams -- a big point of emphasis after a couple of down years. 

SPECIALISTS (3) 

Quigley helped his cause with an improved performance in the final game, but one thing we know about the Jets: They like to change punters.

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I think they are probably closer to reality, although IK may end up on IR for his redshirt year.  

 

I can't believe the Idzik would cut every draft pick after the 4th rd.  

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^^^^^^^

 

I like your list, minus Patterson and Hill.

 

I thought about Patterson and if this were early in the offseason the JETS could have done something about it. But unless there is a miracle trade you are left to picking other team's castoffs or too raw to make the final 53 prospects. Its takes time to develop on of those raw prospects. So Patterson is the best option and the JETS have to suck up and bring him back. Period. Its like the time Ty law was acting up and IIRC this was after 2004 Super Bowl season and he called Belichick names and Belichick still kept him on the team that season.

 

I know Hill  is not a popular choice but when i look at the original 6 WR list suddenly all that perceived depth disappears and sickens me with the same old feeling.

 

Saunders is a 4th round pick that has done nothing so far to merit a place. He is making it because of his only qualification that he is the 4th round pick. Infact after last nite's performance on returns and catches mostly in garbage time he should be sent back to PS or IR.

 

Haakim is guy who impressed his coach with his return capabilities but what has he shown on the field as WR ? He was one of the original six.

 

Salas has been a training camp standout. Always love those stories. But if you look at his performance in the pre-season how much of it was playing against the 1's  ? Then the light hits you and suddenly you realize the feel good story has a not so high ceiling.

 

So from the original list we are left with only 3 legit WR's: Decker, Kerley and Nelson. We need more high quality depth.

 

Hill is the only other WR who has played consistently with the 1's. And he has caught some balls. I know he did not have a very consistent breakout training camp BUT there is no denying that he has improved by a good measure since his last training camp. Considering a whole bunch of WR's have had break out season in Season 3 I would like to see him in Season 3 in a Green and white uniform.  He has the ability to be a playmaker that can cause a lot of headaches for opposing defenses. And what he is costing is next to nothing because he is still on a rookie contract.

 

End of the day I hope better sense prevails and the JETS do not waive him away. Because if they do he will be CLAIMED. And the JETS will be left with a shallow depth at WR's like always.

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I think they are probably closer to reality, although IK may end up on IR for his redshirt year.  

 

I can't believe the Idzik would cut every draft pick after the 4th rd.  

 

It's hard to keep everyone when you have 12 draft picks.  Plus, the Dozier pick was essentially a 5th rounder, and he is probably making the team.

 

I think Jeremiah George is at minimum making the practice squad.  He played well yesterday. Enunwa and Dixon are probably going to the practice squad, and IK may be stashed on injured reserve the way Shaq Evans was.

 

You have Pryor and Amaro contributing right away.  McDougle probably would have as well had he not gotten injured.  And they probably expect Saunders to learn Kerley's role, while contributing in Special Teams.

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Like every other team in the league, the Jets will be watching the waiver wire. Wouldn't be surprised if the Jets fill out the roster with a CB, WR, OL, or P let to by someone else this weekend.

Just cannot imagine the Jets carrying 7 WRs, or otherwise going out of their way to carry Hill. If a guy was gonna make his big second to third year jump, there should've been some evidence of it in the preseason. There wasn't.

I still think carrying just two QBs is a good idea. Simms is no great shakes, and they'll have no trouble carrying Boyd (if not Simms) on the practice squad in case of emergency. Going by Cimini's list, I'd use that extra spot to carry Barnes. Jets should stay as deep as possible at DL, especially if they're looking at trade opportunities.

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It's hard to keep everyone when you have 12 draft picks.  Plus, the Dozier pick was essentially a 5th rounder, and he is probably making the team.

 

I think Jeremiah George is at minimum making the practice squad.  He played well yesterday. Enunwa and Dixon are probably going to the practice squad, and IK may be stashed on injured reserve the way Shaq Evans was.

 

You have Pryor and Amaro contributing right away.  McDougle probably would have as well had he not gotten injured.  And they probably expect Saunders to learn Kerley's role, while contributing in Special Teams.

 

Which again leads to the question, why the hell did they use all 12 draft picks instead of trying to use some of those picks to move up at some point?

 

Anyways, I think George has a chance at making the team. At this point, I really feel like it's a huge waste of a roster spot to carry 3 qbs. If Simms is getting playing time this year we're already ****ed. I'd rather carry someone else who actually has a chance to contribute as depth this year. 

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Which again leads to the question, why the hell did they use all 12 draft picks instead of trying to use some of those picks to move up at some point?

Anyways, I think George has a chance at making the team. At this point, I really feel like it's a huge waste of a roster spot to carry 3 qbs. If Simms is getting playing time this year we're already ****ed. I'd rather carry someone else who actually has a chance to contribute as depth this year.

Several of those picks could not be used in a trade. Also they reportedly tried moving up in the second for Marquise Lee, but it didn't happen for whatever reason.

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Cut Simms, Hill, Daryl Richardson and keep anyone showing they can play from that depth we have in the front-7. 

 

We have holes, if trading is the best way to plug them, then you have to be able to deal from your strengths. If that means Reilly, George, Barnes or whoever, I don't care. I do know guys like that have flashed more than some of these scrub RBs and WRs, and just because we're desperate at those spots doesn't mean we cut good prospects to have more bodies to throw at the problem areas.

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Just cannot imagine the Jets carrying 7 WRs, or otherwise going out of their way to carry Hill. If a guy was gonna make his big second to third year jump, there should've been some evidence of it in the preseason. There wasn't.

 

 

There was a great deal of improvement from his 2nd training camp to 3rd training camp. Perfect. No. Improvement. Yes.

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Cut Simms, Hill, Daryl Richardson and keep anyone showing they can play from that depth we have in the front-7. 

 

We have holes, if trading is the best way to plug them, then you have to be able to deal from your strengths. If that means Reilly, George, Barnes or whoever, I don't care. I do know guys like that have flashed more than some of these scrub RBs and WRs, and just because we're desperate at those spots doesn't mean we cut good prospects to have more bodies to throw at the problem areas.

 

the time to plug holes was January to July.     at this point they roll with what they have.   the CB position was totally mismanaged - end of story.  

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I love the use of connotations in describing Hill's and Salas' preseason. Sounds like they're in the same place but the wind blew in Salas' favor this minute. I don't see the point of cutting Hill. Trade? Yes, please. Cut? At this point in time? That would make no sense.The "#2" WR on this roster is going to be like the 5th or 6th option behind Decker, Kerley, Cumberland, RBs, and prob Amaro anyway.

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I love the use of connotations in describing Hill's and Salas' preseason. Sounds like they're in the same place but the wind blew in Salas' favor this minute. I don't see the point of cutting Hill. Trade? Yes, please. Cut? At this point in time? That would make no sense.The "#2" WR on this roster is going to be like the 5th or 6th option behind Decker, Kerley, Cumberland, RBs, and prob Amaro anyway.

Hill has always had, and always will have, a higher potential ceiling than Salas - the question that surrounds him is if he'll ever be capable of reaching it. He's still jumping for passes chest level, and catching them with his chest. Salas, otoh, is reaching out and snagging passes out of the air. Sure, I'd love a big speedster who can take the top off the defense, but if he can't catch, what's the point? If Salas can execute move-the-chains routes right thru the catch, he's bringing more to the table than Hill is right now. And it's a right now league.

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Like every other team in the league, the Jets will be watching the waiver wire. Wouldn't be surprised if the Jets fill out the roster with a CB, WR, OL, or P let to by someone else this weekend.

Just cannot imagine the Jets carrying 7 WRs, or otherwise going out of their way to carry Hill. If a guy was gonna make his big second to third year jump, there should've been some evidence of it in the preseason. There wasn't.

I still think carrying just two QBs is a good idea. Simms is no great shakes, and they'll have no trouble carrying Boyd (if not Simms) on the practice squad in case of emergency. Going by Cimini's list, I'd use that extra spot to carry Barnes. Jets should stay as deep as possible at DL, especially if they're looking at trade opportunities.

Disagree on Simms. He can be the long term #2.

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Hill has always had, and always will have, a higher potential ceiling than Salas - the question that surrounds him is if he'll ever be capable of reaching it. He's still jumping for passes chest level, and catching them with his chest. Salas, otoh, is reaching out and snagging passes out of the air. Sure, I'd love a big speedster who can take the top off the defense, but if he can't catch, what's the point? If Salas can execute move-the-chains routes right thru the catch, he's bringing more to the table than Hill is right now. And it's a right now league.

 

If Salas is far and away and all the other guys are far and away outplaying him then yes, cut him. I'm not sure I got that impression over the whole of TC. Admittedly I didn't pay as much attention, but until very recently I was under the impression that Hill was doing alright during practice. 

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