Gastineau Lives Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 If we are bad enough to be within striking distance for this kid, I think we have to do whatever it takes to draft him. Looking at the REALLY bad teams so far, only Tampa Bay and St. Louis would be in a position to take him as the Raiders, Jags, Vikings already have their franchise QB's. I would be all for trading up, if we were able, to grab him. There is no one, two or three high draft picks that we could keep that can compensate for QB mediocrity, but a great QB can hide many warts. Given our salary cap situation, we have a little bit of a luxury in terms of being able to secure talent through free agency. We talk about looking at the long term and not selling out to win now when we talk about Idzik and his philosophy, well, we need to secure the future of the franchise. A QB like this is a huge step toward that. We haven't had one since I've been a fan, and that's a long time. Not O'Brien, Testaverde for one year, etc. brings the upside and security that a kid like this can, potentially. I want a franchise QB. I'm tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The Jets would really, really have to tank to get on top of the Bucs, Raiders, St Louis, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The Jets would really, really have to tank to get on top of the Bucs, Raiders, St Louis, etc. The Jets have the talent level of a 6-8 win team. Besides, even when they should be tanking, they always win meaningless games at the end of seasons to get those warm fuzzy feelings that end up giving the team significantly worse draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 We all want a franchise QB. We need a franchise worried about winning football games first though. The team is a mess...and a franchise QB simply walking through that door is not the silver bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 The Jets would really, really have to tank to get on top of the Bucs, Raiders, St Louis, etc. I know. We would have to be picking in the 5 - 7 range. The Raiders or Jags would have to be worse than them and we'd have to put together a package of picks. It's possible, but unlikely. Don't kill my dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Rex's defense wins 6 games alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Every Jet fan is tired of subpar QB play . And just about 20 to 25 teams are looking for that same franchise QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 We all want a franchise QB. We need a franchise worried about winning football games first though. The team is a mess...and a franchise QB simply walking through that door is not the silver bullet. Are you saying a franchise QB is not important? Can you name one team that has had one that has not turned their fortunes around? I"m talking a guy in the Luck, Manning, Aikman, Brady, Brees mold. Whether you think Mariota can be at that level is another issue, but you can't say that having a guy like this doesn't hide MANY flaws on your roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Every Jet fan is tired of subpar QB play . And just about 20 to 25 teams are looking for that same franchise QB Yeah, and like the Jets, 20 of them wind up riding the 7-9, 8-8 carousel at Poopyland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Rex's defense wins 6 games alone. I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Suck for Mariota, and NFL level talent with our cap space? I'm good with that. Though another rookie QB waiting period will put us 4 years from seeing anything. If we were going to burn draft picks this year, should have done it for ton Savage or garrapolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Rex and Sam Bradford '15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Are you saying a franchise QB is not important? Can you name one team that has had one that has not turned their fortunes around? I"m talking a guy in the Luck, Manning, Aikman, Brady, Brees mold. Whether you think Mariota can be at that level is another issue, but you can't say that having a guy like this doesn't hide MANY flaws on your roster. Geno actually is hiding flaws on this roster. He's being forced to hand the ball to a guy who is awful and is still managing to throw the ball down the field to scrubs. His mistakes are mental. He's getting the best out of what he's working with though....Sanchez you couldnt say that about. When Luck's asked to throw the ball 40 times his throwing picks too...and he's completing under 60% of his passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Geno actually is hiding flaws on this roster. He's being forced to hand the ball to a guy who is awful and is still managing to throw the ball down the field to scrubs. His mistakes are mental. He's getting the best out of what he's working with though....Sanchez you couldnt say that about. I think the real issue is that you can't hand this staff another young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deucebag Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I dont think Mariota is going to be that kind of QB, does not have enough arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think the real issue is that you can't hand this staff another young QB. Agreed. Or this GM to make the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think the real issue is that you can't hand this staff another young QB. Yeah, that would be like sending Shane a foreign exchange student from Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Geno actually is hiding flaws on this roster. He's being forced to hand the ball to a guy who is awful and is still managing to throw the ball down the field to scrubs. His mistakes are mental. He's getting the best out of what he's working with though....Sanchez you couldnt say that about. When Luck's asked to throw the ball 40 times his throwing picks too...and he's completing under 60% of his passes. Yep. When Kerley and Decker are on the field he shows glimpses of at least average QB in him. Which these days can make you a franchise guy who makes a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Don't think this guy is a franchise QB either, every year there's guys like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think the real issue is that you can't hand this staff another young QB. I don't think coaching staffs do what you think they do. There's not an alternate universe where Geno is awesome because he has a better QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I don't think coaching staffs do what you think they do. There's not an alternate universe where Geno is awesome because he has a better QB coach. I'm going to type a statement here and you tell me if you agree with it or not: The only significant difference between Herm Edwards and Bill Walsh is that Bill Walsh lucked into Joe Montana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm going to type a statement here and you tell me if you agree with it or not: The only significant difference between Herm Edwards and Bill Walsh is that Bill Walsh lucked into Joe Montana. Game, blouses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm going to type a statement here and you tell me if you agree with it or not: The only significant difference between Herm Edwards and Bill Walsh is that Bill Walsh lucked into Joe Montana. I don't agree with that but the problem is Bill Walsh isn't waiting around for Woody to call him up. Or "the next Bill Walsh" whoever that is. Remember when you and others said no one could be worse than Schotty? and then Sparano was actually much worse than Schotty. There's a very real chance whoever the next head coach of the Jets will be worse than Rex. Fact is, Rex is one of the few above average parts of this team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I don't agree with that but the problem is Bill Walsh isn't waiting around for Woody to call him up. Or "the next Bill Walsh" whoever that is. Remember when you and others said no one could be worse than Schotty? and then Sparano was actually much worse than Schotty. There's a very real chance whoever the next head coach of the Jets will be worse than Rex. Fact is, Rex is one of the few above average parts of this team right now. When you think about it, no team should ever fire a head coach. Round and round we go. Wheeeeeeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Round and round we go. Wheeeeeeeeee firing head coaches every 5 years for 40 years hasn't exactly been a winning formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Round and round we go. Wheeeeeeeeee The way bit gets sucked into these guys, time and time again, it's like watching a young girl from Idaho get brainwashed by a Hollywood pimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 firing head coaches every 5 years for 40 years hasn't exactly been a winning formula. Right. That is exactly what the problem has been. The fact that we have fired a lot of bad coaches. Not that we hired them, but that we fired them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 firing head coaches every 5 years for 40 years hasn't exactly been a winning formula. Considering he hasn't had a winning season since 2010, neither has keeping Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Right. That is exactly what the problem has been. The fact that we have fired a lot of bad coaches. Not that we hired them, but that we fired them. Considering he hasn't had a winning season since 2010, neither has keeping Rex. Coaches coach, players play. Give Bellichek this dumpster fire of a roster and see how he does with it. I do agree coaching can be improved upon but this isn't a situation where the roster is great and talented and the coaches aren't getting enough out of them. This is a situation where they are the cheapest roster in all of football and if you were a fan of another team, there's like 4 guys you might want playing for your team. And they are all linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm going to type a statement here and you tell me if you agree with it or not: The only significant difference between Herm Edwards and Bill Walsh is that Bill Walsh lucked into Joe Montana. I think most can agree that Walsh was an innovator and clearly ahead of his time. The only difference between Bill Belichick and Rex Ryan is Tom Brady would be harder to dispute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Coaches coach, players play. Give Bellichek this dumpster fire of a roster and see how he does with it. I do agree coaching can be improved upon but this isn't a situation where the roster is great and talented and the coaches aren't getting enough out of them. This is a situation where they are the cheapest roster in all of football and if you were a fan of another team, there's like 4 guys you might want playing for your team. And they are all linemen. Great! So how many more years should we give Rex? Another 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Great! So how many more years should we give Rex? Another 6? Rex gets as many years as he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 We all want a franchise QB. We need a franchise worried about winning football games first though. The team is a mess...and a franchise QB simply walking through that door is not the silver bullet. need to start somewhere and that is as good as any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Great! So how many more years should we give Rex? Another 6? Yes. But after 19 games, we can definitively say Geno is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Rex gets as many years as he wants. Sorry but if he doesn't get into the playoffs this year - Rexy is gone-dy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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