JustInFudge Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Charlie Casserly He loves him some Rex but he hates some Belicheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 You might want to take another look at John Idzik's feet. The worst move Idzik made was agreeing to keep Rex one more year. Everything else radiates from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 You can't fire the scouting department right away. There simply isn't enough time to assemble a staff, get full scouting reports, etc. Start with the GM and coach, and work your way down from there. as if their reports are worth a damn. they should let the fans make the picks via real time internet voting. i bet we could do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Shane loves him some Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 The worst move Idzik made was agreeing to keep Rex one more year. Everything else radiates from that. Rex is part of the problem, but he isn't the only problem. After today I'm convinced that Idzik needs to go as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The worst move Idzik made was agreeing to keep Rex one more year. Everything else radiates from that. What if that was actually his best move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I said that Rex had sat in on GM interviews, not that one specifically. But given your recollection of the events surrounding Gamble, I'm not surprised that you got that wrong, too. Gamble had an initial interview that went well by all accounts. He had a 2nd interview lined up, and went so far as to cancel an interview with Jacksonville to focus on the Jets job. Then, in the 2nd interview, he made it known to Woody that he wanted to bring in "his guy" (Jim Tomsula of the 49ers), which Woody vetoed. Realizing he wouldn't have the kind of control a GM should, he then declined, and all of a sudden a flurry or reports come out that he "interviewed poorly"? Really? Then why have him back for a 2nd interview to begin with, with everyone acknowledging that his hire was basically fait accompli at that point, if his first interview went so poorly? Because it's all bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 Gamble had an initial interview that went well by all accounts. He had a 2nd interview lined up, and went so far as to cancel an interview with Jacksonville to focus on the Jets job. Then, in the 2nd interview, he made it known to Woody that he wanted to bring in "his guy" (Jim Tomsula of the 49ers), which Woody vetoed. Realizing he wouldn't have the kind of control a GM should, he then declined, and all of a sudden a flurry or reports come out that he "interviewed poorly"? Really? Then why have him back for a 2nd interview to begin with, with everyone acknowledging that his hire was basically fait accompli at that point, if his first interview went so poorly? Because it's all bullsh*t. Christ Almighty, give it up already. Let's worry about what they do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Rex is part of the problem, but he isn't the only problem. After today I'm convinced that Idzik needs to go as well. There was literally nothing Idzik could have said today that would have appeased Jets fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Gamble had an initial interview that went well by all accounts. He had a 2nd interview lined up, and went so far as to cancel an interview with Jacksonville to focus on the Jets job. Then, in the 2nd interview, he made it known to Woody that he wanted to bring in "his guy" (Jim Tomsula of the 49ers), which Woody vetoed. Realizing he wouldn't have the kind of control a GM should, he then declined, and all of a sudden a flurry or reports come out that he "interviewed poorly"? Really? Then why have him back for a 2nd interview to begin with, with everyone acknowledging that his hire was basically fait accompli at that point, if his first interview went so poorly? Because it's all bullsh*t. I'd love to read an article from that time recounting these facts as only you seem to remember them. I'll wait here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 What if that was actually his best move? Well, it is guaranteeing us a higher draft pick, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Gamble had an initial interview that went well by all accounts. He had a 2nd interview lined up, and went so far as to cancel an interview with Jacksonville to focus on the Jets job. Then, in the 2nd interview, he made it known to Woody that he wanted to bring in "his guy" (Jim Tomsula of the 49ers), which Woody vetoed. Realizing he wouldn't have the kind of control a GM should, he then declined, and all of a sudden a flurry or reports come out that he "interviewed poorly"? Really? Then why have him back for a 2nd interview to begin with, with everyone acknowledging that his hire was basically fait accompli at that point, if his first interview went so poorly? Because it's all bullsh*t. Th only qualification I care about for the GM is if he can identify talent. We can find cap guys anywhere. It's seems Idziks here to make Woodys financial decisions and nothing else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Didn't the Jets hire the loser Marty Mornhinweg a few weeks prior to Idzik being hired? What does that say about "control"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 There was literally nothing Idzik could have said today that would have appeased Jets fans. Firing the coach for an unacceptable 8 game debacle would have been the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 Didn't the Jets hire the loser Marty Mornhinweg a few weeks prior to Idzik being hired? What does that say about "control"? I think he was hired the day after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Firing the coach for an unacceptable 8 game debacle would have been the right move. Forget the 8 games...yesterday should get the coach fired and the QB released. That was utterly embarrassing after 10 days off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 Forget the 8 games...yesterday should get the coach fired and the QB released. That was utterly embarrassing after 10 days off. The players have given up. When that happens, the coach needs to be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Forget the 8 games...yesterday should get the coach fired and the QB released. That was utterly embarrassing after 10 days off. What's the Rex record after Bye Weeks now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 What's the Rex record after Bye Weeks now? 1-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The players have given up. When that happens, the coach needs to be removed. The QB doesn't take his job seriously and its trickled down. Rex fears discipline and the GM is a figurehead that was brought in to utter buzz words. He's underestimated the fan base... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The worst move Idzik made was agreeing to keep Rex one more year. Everything else radiates from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 There was literally nothing Idzik could have said today that would have appeased Jets fans. maybe not said, but he could have written it on a napkin "I resign as GM of NYJ" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The players have given up. When that happens, the coach needs to be removed. Everything needs to be blown up, but I dont think the team has given up. They were in the game at the half and had no business at all being alive after that start. They're trying, they're just not good. I dont think its fair to sh*t on the players like that. They're bad enough as it is, calling them quitters seems unfair. Darrin Walls shouldnt be in the league and he's covering Sammy Watkins. Couple that with 6 turnovers from your QB's...you could give all the effort in the world and you aint winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Get rid of Rex, and get the best GM candidate out there. Get a true football guy in here, let him oversee all football operations. GM's that are personnel guys hire cap guys to fill in the blanks. GM's that are financial guys either have strong head coaches to "pick the groceries" or personnel guys to evaluate talent. Idzik "might" be successful if he had a coach who could evaluate talent on both sides of the ball and a head of player personnel who could organize the draft for him and manage free agent evaluations. In Bradway and Rex, Idzik has neither... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Everything needs to be blown up, but I dont think the team has given up. They we're in the game at the half and had no business at all being alive after that start. They're trying, they're just not good. I dont think its fair to sh*t on the players like that. They're bad enough as is it, calling them quitters seems unfair. Darrin Walls shouldnt be in the league and he's covering Sammy Watkins. Couple that with 6 turnovers from your QB's...you could give all the effort in the world and you aint winning. I'd agree the team plays hard or whatever for Rex. They just don't play smart. The talent isn't good...but every week it's sloppy football and sloppy discipline with the penalties, timeouts etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'd agree the team plays hard or whatever for Rex. They just don't play smart. The talent isn't good...but every week it's sloppy football and sloppy discipline with the penalties, timeouts etc. They're just not good. You're expecting bad players who are barely in the league to do good things. Could they use better coaching to help them not be so sloppy and make so many mistakes? Sure. I guess. But I dont think thats it. Rex isnt the only coach in the building and these guys have had success elsewhere. The talent is just terrible. Period. I dont really see any coaching staff doing better with this team. They're really just that bad. And this truly isnt a plea for Rex. He's got to go but I really dont think you'd see much different with the same roster and this magical great coach out there that Jets are missing out on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 They're just not good. You're expecting bad players who are barely in the league to do good things. Could they use better coaching to help them not be so sloppy and make so many mistakes? Sure. I guess. But I dont think thats it. Rex isnt the only coach in the building and these guys have had success elsewhere. The talent is just terrible. Period. I dont really see any coaching staff doing better with this team. They're really just that bad. And this truly isnt a plea for Rex. He's got to go but I really dont think you'd see much different with the same roster and this magical great coach out there that Jets are missing out on. All of the good assistants are gone. Rex has his college buddy next to him all game...the special teams are a disaster...no one has good special teams personnel- that's all coaching. The team is just disorganized. It starts with the owner...but Rex's approach is not a long term answer at HC. Just way too many flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Tom Gamble was our guy, but after we trashed him through the media for supposedly being a "bad interview" after he declined the job because he didn't want to take on Rex ('slats' will be by any minute now to assure everyone this isn't how it went down), I doubt he'd come here now. Maybe if we publicly apologize to him and beg him to reconsider and promise him, in writing, full control of football operations, we'd have a shot. Otherwise, just give Harbaugh the Parcells role and let him have carte blanche to do whatever he wants. CANNNNN YOUUUUUUUU DIG IT!!!!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 All of the good assistants are gone. Rex has his college buddy next to him all game...the special teams are a disaster...no one has good special teams personnel- that's all coaching. The team is just disorganized. It starts with the owner...but Rex's approach is not a long term answer at HC. Just way too many flaws. truth is, the jets could do a lot better than rex ryan. they could also do a lot worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 reading between the lines, it may have been a case of woody telling idzik to fall on his sword for rex very bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Agreed that this team hasn't quit, they just suck and are wildly inexperienced in most places. sh*tty variance from there...they've taken some quality teams (thanks parity) to the last play of the game, including getting absolutely jobbed in the Packers game. Team needs to stop playing Pace and let Barnes/Babin play more. It'd be nice for a young LBer to step up, but Barnes/Babin might be able to get them by better than Pace has. Who else...maybe throw 3 even 4 safeties out there since the safeties are slightly better than the CBs...I'm fine with Geno sitting because we all know he's going to get on the field again later in the year. Getting hurt or sucking are the most real possibilities with Vick, getting hurt probably slight more likely than horrific play...Still really want to see more of the Harvin experiment. If he flahses even a handful of times, guys like Amaro and Decker should have more room to work...Less Chris Johnson, more Bilal Powell (already happening?)...Can "Skull Island" be a good movie? The NFL and all pro sports are run by our reptillian overlords...Do the Jets passive aggressively ignore the pass rusher/OLB need this offseason? Brian Orakpo on a show me deal makes sense...Coples should do more of what he did Sunday, that would go a long way...Any word on Dakota Dozier, Dalton Freeman, or Will Campbell? I think they're all a little interesting until FA comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Eliot Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 What's the Rex record after Bye Weeks now? 1-4 But the players love getting the week off! Rex just gotta be loved. Highly doubt Buddy hugged him once as a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 You can't fire the scouting department right away. There simply isn't enough time to assemble a staff, get full scouting reports, etc. Start with the GM and coach, and work your way down from there. Funny because isn't that exactly what Idziot did over the offseason two years ago? Gutted it to everyone but Terry Bradway? Working out great so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The worst move Idzik made was agreeing to keep Rex one more year. Everything else radiates from that. When Idzik called Rex "An incredible football mind that he learns from every day", I immediately realized that Idzik, too is a clueless suit that has once again taken to leaning on Rex for personnel decisions, hence why we got Sheldon Richardson, and have pretty much failed miserably everywhere else. This is really bad. It's bad to an entirely new level- now there is only one competent football mind left in the building - Terry Bradway- and I bet you he's in charge, at least on an interim basis, not before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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